New poll indicates 43% of Republicans would conceivably support a military coup in America
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I dunno, I kind of like the idea of senators and state governors getting Article 15'd for incompetence or corruption :v:
45/45 no pay, bitch
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48706266]Good point, in the event you are being oppressed by an abusive authoritarian government, you should sit down and shut the fuck up. Works great in North Korea, don't you think?[/QUOTE]
That's actually very funny that you say that, considering it's most-likely the case that the NK military is dominant in the background behind Kim Jong-Un.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48706266]Good point, in the event you are being oppressed by an abusive authoritarian government, you should sit down and shut the fuck up. Works great in North Korea, don't you think?[/QUOTE]
No, there's a massive gap between "do nothing" and "military coup". Specifically, non-violent protests, which are far more effective in comparison to violence: [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/11/05/peaceful-protest-is-much-more-effective-than-violence-in-toppling-dictators/[/url]
[QUOTE=DaMastez;48706653]No, there's a massive gap between "do nothing" and "military coup". Specifically, non-violent protests, which are far more effective in comparison to violence: [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/11/05/peaceful-protest-is-much-more-effective-than-violence-in-toppling-dictators/[/url][/QUOTE]
Authoritarian states don't allow non-violent protest. They remove them by force and in worst case scenario use live ammunition or explosives to end the crowd.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48728705]Authoritarian states don't allow non-violent protest. They remove them by force and in worst case scenario use live ammunition or explosives to end the crowd.[/QUOTE]
At that point, you're looking at a civil war like Libya's either way.
Yes, because separation is the best idea.
[editline]21st September 2015[/editline]
I swear, this polarization bullshit the American people tricked on themselves has to be the most painful thing to watch.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48728705]Authoritarian states don't allow non-violent protest. They remove them by force and in worst case scenario use live ammunition or explosives to end the crowd.[/QUOTE]
What about the Soviet Union and the Soviet Bloc? Basically all of those states ended up collapsing in the end due to peaceful protesters. This was certainly the case in Poland, the Baltic States, East Germany, etc.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48730995]What about the Soviet Union and the Soviet Bloc? Basically all of those states ended up collapsing in the end due to peaceful protesters. This was certainly the case in Poland, the Baltic States, East Germany, etc.[/QUOTE]
Didn't that take ages though? For the 60(?) years they were under oppression they would have seen friends dissapear, areas being ethnically cleansed and being generally opressed; until the end not been sure whether their peaceful resistance would buy them freedom, a trip accross the country or a long stay in a gulag.
I think I'd rather go for it and fight for freedom, especially in places like Romania or Ukraine.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;48731056]Didn't that take ages though? For the 60(?) years they were under oppression they would have seen friends dissapear, areas being ethnically cleansed and being generally opressed; until the end not been sure whether their peaceful resistance would buy them freedom, a trip accross the country or a long stay in a gulag.
I think I'd rather go for it and fight for freedom, especially in places like Romania or Ukraine.[/QUOTE]
Well it took ages, but it's a good thing that a totalitarian empire of misery collapsed rather relatively peacefully and without descending into civil war (unlike Yugoslavia).
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48731083]Well it took ages, but it's a good thing that a totalitarian empire of misery collapsed rather relatively peacefully and without descending into civil war (unlike Yugoslavia).[/QUOTE]
True. I guess through those years of regime, it made a common enemy of itself.
Robert Kennedy said that 'people who make peaceful revolution impossible will only make violent revolution possible'.
Seeing as how successful the Occupy movement was at holding Wall Street Stock Brokers and Billionaires with Slushfunds accountable for the Recession and the continuing deterioration of our standards of living, I could foresee the use of a violent revolution to pass certain Amendments forbidding unlimited campaign contributions and making bills more favorable to labor.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48705752]Well the thing is the federal government would never be able to get into the position where they can brutally violate the constitution. They would be shut down by the Supreme Court long before that happened. There would [i]never[/i] be a situation where a military coup would be justified; there is no justification for a democratic government being toppled over by an undemocratic military regime.[/QUOTE]Um, no, it's quite possible and it's why government watchdog groups and whistleblowers exist. Yeah it would be difficult to do but compromising the executive and the judicial branch of the federal government together could easily create an atmosphere where even a single innocuous law that enables "emergency powers" could be easily exploited. There's a lot of things that attack the first and the second amendments and both of these are arguably the most important ones, they ensure that the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, and ninth amendments are always looked after. I get really pissed off when people start arguing that "oh well the first amendment has already had restrictions come on whats the big deal" as if that's somehow okay. What, just because something's been raped it's now suddenly okay to abuse it further? In what stupid fucking world does that make sense, because it certainly isn't mine.
You may not see it but the possibility is there precisely because people say stupid shit like that, it creates an environment that's receptive toward an authoritarian regime and it explicitly condones human rights violations without adequate due process. This is happening [i]right now[/i] and there are people who defend the government prying into the lives of citizens, and I've actually heard somebody argue that the government should restrict freedom of movement and travel. What's even more disturbing is this shithead labeled himself as progressive and liberal and he was completely fucking serious. (he's also a fan of Rage Against The Machine, boggled my fucking mind) I'm doubly pissed off when people don't even know the actual amendments beyond the first, second, and maybe the fifth and yet they're completely okay with their destruction.
Yeah we're a ways away from all this, but the fact that we've moved toward it [i]even if it was a little, tiny bit[/i] should be extremely concerning for the entire world.
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