• #Occupy Wall Street - May Day
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[QUOTE=Carbon123;35789678]They're breaking all the windows and being general douchebags in Seattle. Fuck off protesters stop ruining beautiful my city[/QUOTE] Yeah it's horseshit. My buddy was stranded downtown all day because the protesters were blocking the streets. I'm all for people's right to protest, but once they start acting like a mob and becoming destructive, I have a hard time empathizing. Though it was neat to see footage of Phoenix Jones jumping in and stopping some guy from smashing windows.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;35791298]I like how, once again, the only thing hoodoo can do is spam dumbs and disagrees like the coward he is. Post something, ya cunt. [editline]1st May 2012[/editline] Just make sure to be equally skeptical of claims OWS is responsible.[/QUOTE] I don't think hoodoo is a real user. He never posts. Oh sure, he has a profile that you can view, but I think it's all a farce. It's really the mods testing their rating system to see if they can break certain users on the forum.
[QUOTE=Finkleburg;35791312]Yeah it's horseshit. My buddy was stranded downtown all day because the protesters were blocking the streets. I'm all for people's right to protest, but once they start acting like a mob and becoming destructive, I have a hard time empathizing. Though it was neat to see footage of Phoenix Jones jumping in and stopping some guy from smashing windows.[/QUOTE]Protests block streets if they get big enough. They do that, its just a part of a protest, so don't act like that is something oh so special to this event because it isn't in any way. Its pretty fucking difficult to have a march with thousands of people without blocking the streets. This is also why they've gotten permits and such is to make sure that people can't use that as a bullshit excuse. Second, the allegations of destruction have been massively exaggerated, and as I pointed out, law enforcement have used infiltration historically to cause disruption in groups such at the Occupy Movement.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35791364]Protests block streets if they get big enough. They do that, its just a part of a protest, so don't act like that is something oh so special to this event because it isn't in any way. Its pretty fucking difficult to have a march with thousands of people without blocking the streets. This is also why they've gotten permits and such is to make sure that people can't use that as a bullshit excuse. Second, the allegations of destruction have been massively exaggerated, and as I pointed out, law enforcement have used infiltration historically to cause disruption in groups such at the Occupy Movement.[/QUOTE] Of course they exaggerate the destruction, but that doesn't mean that it isn't there. The evidence is pretty apparent that there has been, at least in Seattle, destruction during this protest. I mean I highly doubt that law enforcement has been going around tagging the University of Washington campus as well as other parts of Seattle to "spread the word" about this May 1st protest or have been smashing the windows out of the district courthouse. I understand that we can't and shouldn't believe everything the media tells us, but that doesn't mean we can ignore the fucked up shit that has been going on today and write it off as the government rabble rousing. As for the blocking of the roads. That [I]is[/I] to be expected from any large protest, but that doesn't change the fact that it's shitty for anyone unfortunate enough to be affected by it. And I also understand that is just a minority of the group that is participating in the destructive acts of this protest. Most of the people out there are peacefully walking the streets trying to spread awareness for their cause.
[QUOTE=Conscript;35789465]No, not really. Agitators have plenty of others video evidence if they want to expose the cops as bullies, it's already well known they work to impede you every step of the way anyway. Big turn-outs like this only add to the pressure, and they feel the fear.[/QUOTE] Uh no not really, it is just that no one posts videos of cops being decent or just doing your job. Your 'evidence' does not make much sense when that is only a fraction of what is happening. [editline]2nd May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;35791295]hey the point of rating me dumb is so you don't have to shit-post about it[/QUOTE] You know, this is just a thought. Maybe when you get boxes, it is not because we are all shit posters and you are just a level above our horrible dumb posting skills, but you legitimately made a horrible post. Just a thought.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;35791641]Uh no not really, it is just that no one posts videos of cops being decent or just doing your job.[/QUOTE] what the fuck is the point of bringing light to that? [editline]1st May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;35791641] You know, this is just a thought. Maybe when you get boxes, it is not because we are all shit posters and you are just a level above our horrible dumb posting skills, but you legitimately made a horrible post. Just a thought.[/QUOTE] you didn't even understand what i wrote, i said the point of rating someone dumb is defeated when you post about how you rated someone dumb. and if i made a "horrible post" i would much rather you actually try to debate something instead of posting bullshit no-one cares about, like how you rated me dumb.
'Well cops do their jobs nicely sometimes so its okay' Disregarding the fact that police harassment, beatings, and mass arrests are commonplace at nearly all of these kinds of protests. Why? Because these aren't simple protests, it's a general strike for one, and it's a huge expression of unrest. Yes, cops don't spend their whole time beating down protestors, but that's not the fucking point. The interests of the protestors and the cops are contradictory, cops try to herd you, marginalize you, and get you to do something illegal so they can arrest you and go home. Protestors want to be seen and heard by as many as possible. Also some cops just want to beat people up. Let's not pretend police violence is a tiny fraction of what they do (not that it matters, the fact they do it with the state's blessinng good enough to consider them bullies), especially at political rallies like this. It happens all the time and it's every protestor's fear. It's a well earned quality cops have yet to contradict, just look at the fucking history of OWS and other working class struggles. Cops work against you. Also treating protestors the way they do IS their job, and everybody knows it. That's why we don't sit on our ass and take blows so people like you can sympathize. This rally challenges the state and the people that come out aren't a bunch of liberals that want to re-enact MLK or gandhi.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;35788311]Im pretty sure you cant get a permit for blocking traffic and breaking stuff.[/QUOTE] link me to one article where they act as a "mob" and break shit, otherwise it's probably just some assholes the cops sent in to try to instill a riot.
[QUOTE=lotusking;35794853]link me to one article where they act as a "mob" and break shit, otherwise it's probably just some assholes the cops sent in to try to instill a riot.[/QUOTE] So cops are going to go instigate a riot that they themselves have to deal with? [url]http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-may-day-protests-seattle-20120501,0,6229336.story[/url] I never said that they where acting as a mob and breaking shit. I was responding too someone who said they had a permit to break stuff.
It's usually not the officers on the ground that decide something like that. They have a strict hierarchy.
[QUOTE=Conscript;35794797]'Well cops do their jobs nicely sometimes so its okay' Disregarding the fact that police harassment, beatings, and mass arrests are commonplace at nearly all of these kinds of protests. Why? Because these aren't simple protests, it's a general strike for one, and it's a huge expression of unrest. Yes, cops don't spend their whole time beating down protestors, but that's not the fucking point. The interests of the protestors and the cops are contradictory, cops try to herd you, marginalize you, and get you to do something illegal so they can arrest you and go home. Protestors want to be seen and heard by as many as possible. Also some cops just want to beat people up. Let's not pretend police violence is a tiny fraction of what they do (not that it matters, the fact they do it with the state's blessinng good enough to consider them bullies), especially at political rallies like this. It happens all the time and it's every protestor's fear. It's a well earned quality cops have yet to contradict, just look at the fucking history of OWS and other working class struggles. Cops work against you. Also treating protestors the way they do IS their job, and everybody knows it. That's why we don't sit on our ass and take blows so people like you can sympathize. This rally challenges the state and the people that come out aren't a bunch of liberals that want to re-enact MLK or gandhi.[/QUOTE] Half the time they say it is abuse it is self defense or over played. If you really think all police have done is been violent to protestors than I doubt you were at any of the protests.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;35794930]So cops are going to go instigate a riot that they themselves have to deal with? [url]http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-may-day-protests-seattle-20120501,0,6229336.story[/url] I never said that they where acting as a mob and breaking shit. I was responding too someone who said they had a permit to break stuff.[/QUOTE] Ha, look, what'd I say? Black flags.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];35795573']Ha, look, what'd I say? Black flags.[/QUOTE] I suppose the 5 anarchists that tried to blow up that bridge were cops too right? Obviously none of these protesters can do any wrong, all perfect little angels.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35763271]Wrong forum, since this isn't really news but information. It'd probably do better in General Discussion. And yes, for those who love coming in to these threads just to ask, the Occupy Movement is still going. Just because they stopped appearing on the news does not mean they stopped protesting.[/QUOTE] Oh I'm sorry, I must've missed when you were made a moderator. OT: I have mixed feelings on the OWS movements. There seems to be a lot of people there just to stand around and protest. In fact, out of the many interviews with protesters I've only seen a handful who actually can explain exactly what the movement is rather than just, "Fuck the rich, give to the poor."
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;35795450]Half the time they say it is abuse it is self defense or over played. If you really think all police have done is been violent to protestors than I doubt you were at any of the protests.[/QUOTE] I don't, and I said that. I don't know how hard it is to understand the police have a monopoly on legitimate coercion and they use it, they would love nothing more than to disperse the protest in any way possible and go home, and they make use of provocateurs. Have you realized they have opposing interests yet? It's pointless to go case by case and find a 'victim', cops struggle with protestors and vice versa the whole damn time, and unsurprisingly this can escalate. You're not going to find any innocent victims here, especially not in the ranks of cops lol. You're being idealistic.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;35795687]I suppose the 5 anarchists that tried to blow up that bridge were cops too right? Obviously none of these protesters can do any wrong, all perfect little angels.[/QUOTE] You apparently don't know what the meaning of the word black flag is. I didn't say they were cops, I said that black flags (black flag anarchists, these types of fucks) are usually the ones that do this sort of thing. It's traditional of them to cause property damage. I didn't say it was the police. Bad fucking reading. Or dumb.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];35797333']You apparently don't know what the meaning of the word black flag is. I didn't say they were cops, I said that black flags (black flag anarchists, these types of fucks) are usually the ones that do this sort of thing. It's traditional of them to cause property damage. I didn't say it was the police. Bad fucking reading. Or dumb.[/QUOTE] Okay, I misunderstood, I'm sorry. I thought by 'black flag' (aka [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag]false flag[/url]) you were implying they weren't civilians.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;35797673]Okay, I misunderstood, I'm sorry. I thought by 'black flag' (aka [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag]false flag[/url]) you were implying they weren't civilians.[/QUOTE] Nono, black flag as in you typical punk black-dressed anarchists, as opposed to red flag anarchists, anarchist-communists and such.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];35797719']Nono, black flag as in you typical punk black-dressed anarchists, as opposed to red flag anarchists, anarchist-communists and such.[/QUOTE] I wasn't familiar with those terms, am now though, thanks.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;35789470]Tired of it in the same sense that the one lazy fat guy everybody knows is "tired of being fat", and will never actually bother to lay off the cheetos.[/QUOTE] But here's the thing, that tiredness is there. If that can be put to use (forgive me if the analogy starts to become tortured) by a personal trainer with set goals, objectives, and proper nutritional information, that guy could actually start working towards losing the weight. But at the moment all people are doing are angrily telling the fat guy that he's fat. It's not really helping him any. [QUOTE=Xenocidebot;35791298]Just make sure to be equally skeptical of claims OWS is responsible.[/QUOTE] Don't worry, I've never believed for a second that the majority in Occupy wanted that. I don't think either group, the police or the actual occupiers, want violence. There's examples both of when either individuals or small groups of people totally went out of line and resorted to violence. But anyone who uses these to condemn on a grand scale either group is idiotic. By the way, hoodoo, could you please stop giving me positive ratings? I just really don't want to be associated with you.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;35795687]I suppose the 5 anarchists that tried to blow up that bridge were cops too right? Obviously none of these protesters can do any wrong, all perfect little angels.[/QUOTE] those guys hate ows, apparently. (they thought it was too liberal and ~nonviolent~)
[QUOTE=Ownederd;35800142]those guys hate ows, apparently. (they thought it was too liberal and ~nonviolent~)[/QUOTE] Anarchists hate everything.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;35800581]Anarchists hate everything.[/QUOTE] Depends on the anarchist. You do have rational anarchists. I just haven't met any of them that are black flags.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35791323]I don't think hoodoo is a real user. He never posts. Oh sure, he has a profile that you can view, but I think it's all a farce. It's really the mods testing their rating system to see if they can break certain users on the forum.[/QUOTE] I totally need this as my title.
That being said, you should really post your opinions so that I can argue them.
My opinion on OWS is, they really need to say something other then "we want change", they need to specify what change they want. And it also annoys me how some of them smash stuff, then they act surprised and insulted at the police stopping them from breaking things. I don't think that they should've pepper sprayed the pregnant woman, or shot that marine in the head with a gas grenade, but you can't say all the police are violent tyrants from just a few of them doing things like that.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;35808548]My opinion on OWS is, they really need to say something other then "we want change", they need to specify what change they want. And it also annoys me how some of them smash stuff, then they act surprised and insulted at the police stopping them from breaking things. I don't think that they should've pepper sprayed the pregnant woman, or shot that marine in the head with a gas grenade, but you can't say all the police are violent tyrants from just a few of them doing things like that.[/QUOTE] 'we want change' is alot easier to chant than 'we want power taken from the banks and a financial system which ensures socio-economic equality'
[QUOTE=Bobie;35808610]'we want change' is alot easier to chant than 'we want power taken from the banks and a financial system which ensures socio-economic equality'[/QUOTE] Personally that sounds good to me, the problem is evil conservatives (yes I went there, if they weren't so bad they'd exist in other good countries) who would have a field day demonising them as communists.
OWS has aims but not a central aim because it's more of an association than an organization. It puts anyone from the center-left to the far left under one banner so of course there's disagreements on everything from use of force to political direction. I don't know why people are treating it like a party, or an extension of one like the tea party. It's made up of spontaneous solidarity without any central leadership.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;35808726]Personally that sounds good to me, the problem is evil conservatives (yes I went there, if they weren't so bad they'd exist in other good countries) who would have a field day demonising them as communists.[/QUOTE] conservatism is a dead ideology. its pretty much accepted by all that social evolution cannot be stopped, unless the elite stay alive forever. with every dead old conservative that wishes blacks were still slaves, a child with fresh unheard views on the world steps in his place
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