Plane carrying Polands president crashes in Russia
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:smith: This isn't cool.
And now we have to deal with it.
So do we have a confirmed list of the government officials/ministers etc who were on the plane?
[QUOTE=SBD;21262939]So do we have a confirmed list of the government officials/ministers etc who were on the plane?[/QUOTE]
[quote=Something Awful forum]UPDATED list of dead
Lech Kaczyński, President
Maria Kaczyńska, First Lady
Ryszard Kaczorowski, last President-in-exile
Krzysztof Putra, vice-Marshal of the Sejm (speaker of Parliament)
Krystyna Bochenek, vice-Marshal of the Sejm
Jerzy Szmajdziński, former Minister of Defence and intended Presidential Candidate for this year's election
Władysław Stasiak, chief of the President's office
Jacek Sasin, his deputy
Aleksander Szczygło, chief of National Security Bureau
Paweł Wypych, Secretary of State in President's office (note to Amerigoons: less important than it sounds)
Mariusz Handzlik, his deputy
Andrzej Kremer, vice-minister of Foreign Affairs
gen. Franciszek Gągor, Chief of Staff
Jerzy Bar, ambassador to Russia
Andrzej Przewoźnik, major historian
Maciej Płażyński, MP, former Marshal of the Sejm
Przemysław Gosiewski, MP, former minister
Zbigniew Wassermann, MP, former minister
Izabela Jaruga-Nowacka, MP, former Minister of Social Policy
Jolanta Szymanek-Deresz, MP, former chief of President's Office
Aleksandra Natalii-Świat, MP, vice-president of Law and Justice party
Leszek Deptuła, MP
Grażyna Gęsicka, MP
Arkadiusz Rybicki, MP
Stanisław Zając, MP
Edward Wojtas, MP
Wiesław Woda, MP
Sebastian Karpiniuk, MP
Grzegorz Dolniak, MP
Janusz Kochanowski, Ombudsman
Sławomir Skrzypek, President of the Polish National Bank
Janusz Kurtyka, President of the Institute of National Remembrance (state institution for historical research)
bishop Tadeusz Płoski
and the chiefs of [b]every arm of the Armed Forces.[/b][/quote]
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[QUOTE=SBD;21262939]So do we have a confirmed list of the government officials/ministers etc who were on the plane?[/QUOTE]
No, only who was supposed to be on the plane.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;21262942]:/[/QUOTE]
It's not confirmed... polish media don't have it yet and SA has it?
[quote]Pan Lech KACZYŃSKI - President of Poland
Pani Maria KACZYŃSKA - his Wife
Official delegation
1. Pan Ryszard KACZOROWSKI - former President of Poland in Exile
2. Pan Krzysztof PUTRA - Vice-marshal of Sejm
3. Pan Jerzy SZMAJDZIŃSKI - Vice-marshal of Sejm
4. Pani Krystyna BOCHENEK - Vice-marshal of Senate
5. Pan Jerzy BAHR - Ambassador of Poland to Russia
6. Pan Władysław STASIAK - Chief of the President's Office
7. Pan Aleksander SZCZYGŁO - chief of the National Security Bureau
8. Pan Jacek SASIN - deputy chief of the president's office WASN'T ON BOARD
9. Pan Paweł WYPYCH - Secretary of State in President's office
10. Pan Mariusz HANDZLIK - Undersecretary of State in President's office
11. Pan Andrzej KREMER - Undersecretary of State in Foreign Affairs Ministry
12. Pan Stanisław KOMOROWSKI - Undersecretary of State in Ministry of National Defence
13. Pan Tomasz MERTA - Undersecretary of State in Ministry of National Heritage
14. Gen. Franciszek GĄGOR - Polish Army's Chief of Staff
15. Pan Andrzej PRZEWOŹNIK - historian
16. Pan Maciej PŁAŻYŃSKI - former Marshal of Sejm
17. Pan Mariusz KAZANA - Director of Dimplomatic Protocol
Members of Parliament
1. Pan Leszek DEPTUŁA
2. Pan Grzegorz DOLNIAK
3. Pani Grażyna GĘSICKA
4. Pan Przemysław GOSIEWSKI
5. Pan Sebastian KARPINIUK
6. Pani Izabela JARUGA - NOWACKA
7. Pan Zbigniew WASSERMANN
8. Pani Aleksandra NATALII - ŚWIAT
9. Pan Arkadiusz RYBICKI
10. Pani Jolanta SZYMANEK - DERESZ
11. Pan Wiesław WODA
12. Pan Edward WOJTAS
13. Pani Janina FETLIŃSKA
17. Pan Stanisław ZAJĄC
Other people
1. Pan Janusz KOCHANOWSKI - Ombudsman
2. Pan Sławomir SKRZYPEK - President of the Polish National Bank
3. Pan Janusz KURTYKA - President of Institute of National Remembrance
4. Pan Janusz KRUPSKI - former deputy President of Institute of National Remembrance
Representatives of Churches
1. Ks. Bp. gen. dyw. Tadeusz PŁOSKI
2. Abp gen. bryg. Miron CHODAKOWSKI
3. Ks. płk Adam PILCH
4. Ks. ppłk Jan OSIŃSKI
Representatives of Katyn Families and other associations
1. Pan Edward DUCHNOWSKI
2. Ks. prałat Bronisław GOSTOMSKI
3. Ks. Józef JONIEC
4. Ks. Zdzisław KRÓL
5. Ks. Andrzej KWAŚNIK
6. Pan Tadeusz LUTOBORSKI
7. Pani Bożena ŁOJEK
8. Pan Stefan MELAK
9. Pan Stanisław MIKKE
10. Pani Bronisława ORAWIEC - LOFFLER
11. Pani Katarzyna PISKORSKA
12. Pan Andrzej SARIUSZ - SKĄPSKI
13. Pan Wojciech SEWERYN
14. Pan Leszek SOLSKI
15. Pani Teresa WALEWSKA - PRZYJAŁKOWSKA
16. Pani Gabriela ZYCH
17. Pani Ewa BĄKOWSKA
18. Pani Maria BOROWSKA
19. Pan Bartosz BOROWSKI
20. Pan Dariusz MALINOWSKI
Representatives of Armed Forces
1. Gen. Bronisław KWIATKOWSKI - Operations Chief of Armed Forces
2. Gen. Andrzej BŁASIK - Chief of Air Forces
3. Gen. Tadeusz BUK - Chief of Land Forces
4. Gen. Włodzimierz POTASIŃSKI - Chief of Special Forces
5. Viceadmiral Andrzej KARWETA - Chief of Navy
6. Gen. Kazimierz GILARSKI - Chief of Garrison Warsaw[/quote]
More detailed list.
Wow... I feel bad for Poland now. I mean, with all the planes flying around all the time, it had to be this one? Now, I'm not saying that it would be better if a plane full of ordinary people would crash, but the president of Poland?
[QUOTE=JonniXD;21262952]Wow... I feel bad for Poland now. I mean, with all the planes flying around all the time, it had to be this one? Now, I'm not saying that it would be better if a plane full of ordinary people would crash, but the president of Poland?[/QUOTE]It's worse than just the president, check out the list. :|
[editline]10:57AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;21262943]No, only who was supposed to be on the plane.
It's not confirmed... polish media don't have it yet and SA has it?[/QUOTE]
These are all from news sources.
[url]http://wyborcza.pl/1,75248,7752578,Lista_pasazerow_prezydenckiego_samolotu.html[/url]
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;21262949]More detailed list.[/QUOTE]
FYI in polish language, Pan means Mr., Pani - Mrs., Ks. - priest.
[editline]11:58AM[/editline]
This plane was old.
what a crushing blow to Poland, my heart goes to the family's :h:
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;21262956]
[URL]http://wyborcza.pl/1,75248,7752578,Lista_pasazerow_prezydenckiego_samolotu.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
[quote=wyborcza]
mieli znajdować się:[/quote]
= Was suppoused to be.
Got anything else to say?
Chances are that list is correct, it wouldn't be that hard to find out who boarded the plane and not many have survived (if at all?).
Wow, this is pretty bad. I'm partially Polish so this sucks a bit.
Was he even a good Pres? I'm American so yeah I would not know.
My father works in Army. He was calling the chief of special forces, but he was on the way to Katyń.
He joked "He better be careful, the previous guys didn't make it" (about the katyńs slaughter)
[QUOTE=JonniXD;21262952]Wow... I feel bad for Poland now. I mean, with all the planes flying around all the time, it had to be this one? Now, I'm not saying that it would be better if a plane full of ordinary people would crash, but the president of Poland?[/QUOTE]
Don't feel sad for the president of Poland. The man was an imbecile. A conservatist, a religious asshole, an ultra-nationalist and most importantly a CURSE upon Poland. He had hostile relationships with Russia and Germany because of past events and he was extremely anti-modern. Basically he thought that Poland was better of in the 1920s. So if anything, its good hes gone.
My prayes are with the families.
Holy shit, that list looks bad.
I :love: Poland.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;21262911]I'm not saying it's a conspiracy but what the fuck makes you say it there are no unknown variables?[/QUOTE]
Well i may have exaggerated on that point, we still don't know why the pilot chose not to land in Moscow instead.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21263003]
Was he even a good Pres? I'm American so yeah I would not know.[/QUOTE]
No! A terrible one. He was leading a religious right-wing agenda.
[QUOTE=Adbor;21262923]I live in Warsaw and the live feed is hilarious - it's a video loop of shakycam footage including a Russian soldier falling on his face randomly.[/QUOTE]
Fucking Polsat News i doing the same.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;21262998]Chances are that list is correct, it wouldn't be that hard to find out who boarded the plane and not many have survived (if at all?).[/QUOTE]
Chances are not everyone who's on the list entered the plane. They might also be unreachable at the time. Just wait for confirmation, stop arguing, you were wrong.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;21263034]Chances are not everyone who's on the list entered the plane. They might also be unreachable at the time. Just wait for confirmation, stop arguing, you were wrong.[/QUOTE]Alright. :)
[editline]11:08AM[/editline]
Who would be stepping in as President now?
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;21263044]Alright. :)
[editline]11:08AM[/editline]
Who would be stepping in as President now?[/QUOTE]
Komorowski.
[IMG]http://www.google.com/hostednews/epa/media/ALeqM5jWkw_dlzkUUu7BhbltKKrdHf_hDg?size=l[/IMG]
Guys, nothing is known yet...Russians claim there were 140 passengers, Poland talks about 90. Someone says that about 3 people have survived...
[QUOTE=Lance99;21263077]Guys, nothing is known yet...Russians claim there were 140 passengers, Poland talks about 90. Someone says that about 3 people have survived...[/QUOTE]
No one survived.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;21263044]Alright. :)
[editline]11:08AM[/editline]
Who would be stepping in as President now?[/QUOTE]
Bronislaw Komorski, Marszalek Sejmu (Marshall of the Sejm)
[editline]11:12AM[/editline]
Tusk will most probably win the next election.
Very sad :crying:
Tusk isn't candidating.... And I will repeat myself:We have to wait until they will confirm anything.
[QUOTE=Lance99;21263129]Tusk isn't candidating.... And I will repeat myself:We have to wait until they will confirm anything.[/QUOTE]
I remember he was, who's the PO candidate then?
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