He's still going to feel a lot of heat inside the body. It's insides likely sustained a lot of damage.
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[QUOTE=ThePuska;22541618]This is false. They react violently to boiling water.[/QUOTE]
They react violently because they've been alerted. If you [B]grab[/B] a lobster, it also reacts violently. Think before you post, you degenerate. [U]No[/U] crustaceans feel pain.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;22541618]This is false. They react violently to boiling water.[/QUOTE]
And nobody gets arrested or called a murderer for cooking lobster.
[QUOTE=Fat Joe;22537750]Oh yeah, because a hamsters life is equal to a human's life right?[/QUOTE]
When the human is that fucking sick and disgusting, the hamsters life is worth more.
I'd like to walk up to him and give him a nice beefy punch to the face. You don't put a fluffy little hamster in the microwave.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;22541639]They react violently because they've been alerted. If you [B]grab[/B] a lobster, it also reacts violently. think before you post, you degenerate.[/QUOTE]
A violent and negative reaction is a pretty obvious sign of suffering.
I do not give a fuck about the way someone feels pain. I don't care about the electrical signals running in their body, signaling that this is bad, this must be stopped, do something. I don't care how they're received in the brain, what kind of a feeling arises from them.
That's subjective.
I care about the objective part, that such signals are being generated, that something is damaging the body of the creature, and the creature is sensing it, it knows it and it must react to it. That's universal.
The pain the lobster feels from being boiled alive is the worst pain it can feel.
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Don't try to argue that lobsters do not feel pain. They react to potentially harmful things just like we do, and they can suffer. This has been proven a thousand times.
[QUOTE=MegaJohnny;22541748]I'd like to walk up to him and give him a nice beefy punch to the face. You don't put a fluffy little hamster in the microwave.[/QUOTE]
True, you throw them in violently.
Classic :v:
It's sad that there are no intelligent beings that can rejoice once this sick twisted species of ours is gone from this planet.
[QUOTE=johanz;22538802]SO? Bugs or insects can't fight back too, yet we squish them... Fish can't fight back, crabs can't do that too, yet we cook them alive.
No matter how horrible, one animal life is worth less than one human life.
People can fight back, doesn't make it right to kill eachother, now does it?[/QUOTE]
One can debate this forever, but in the end it all comes down to people's own opinions.
My personal opinion is that everything on this planet has an equal right to be here, and just because we're sentient doesn't mean we're worth more. We're all completely insignificant if you take a look at the big picture anyway.
That being said, I am not a vegetarian or anything. Humans have eaten meat throughout our history, and I don't differ. And I will kill mosquitoes if they're annoying me. I'm an asshole.
[quote]A violent and negative reaction is a pretty obvious sign of suffering.
I do not give a fuck about the way someone feels pain. I don't care about the electrical signals running in their body, signaling that this is bad, this must be stopped, do something. I don't care how they're received in the brain, what kind of a feeling arises from them.
That's subjective.
I care about the objective part, that such signals are being generated, that something is damaging the body of the creature, and the creature is sensing it, it knows it and it must react to it. That's universal.
The pain the lobster feels from being boiled alive is the worst pain it can feel.
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Don't try to argue that lobsters do not feel pain. They react to potentially harmful things just like we do, and they can suffer. This has been proven a thousand times.[/quote]Words cannot describe the feeling of contempt I have for your incredible ignorance.
A lobster "feels" in the same way a car feels before it turn on it's alarm. They have a very primitive nervous system, and no spine. If you touch them with a feather they'll get the same feeling as if you cut it in half with a cleaver. They certainly be alerted on a great scale, yes. But the lobster doesn't think "OH MY GOD, WHAT DID YOU DO, THIS IS SO AGONIZING!!!!" They don't think at all, because their brain is the size of a lentil. They are not even aware of their own existence.
Lobsters, as well as most invertebrates are nothing but organic robots. They don't have sentience, they don't have the capacity to feel pain, and they don't interpret that pain and feel emotion because of it. They simply have a number of pre-programmed reactions to a certain situation, based on what their limited sensory organs can perceive from the environment around them. If you built robot that could sense when something touches it, and then you hit that robot with a baseball bat, it'd be basically the same feeling that a Lobster would have.
A vertebrate mammal, on the other hand, does have the capacity to feel pain. Pain is an intense alertness trigger created by a complex nervous system, that will instill emotional and physical harm upon the organism. Lobsters do not have the capacity to feel pain, and does not have the emotional and physical agony that a mammal will have.
Yeah, I was going to point that out.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;22537843]I think you'd die of shock pretty fast.[/QUOTE]
It was still alive, they had to put it down :saddowns:
Notice how nothing was said about the little brothers side of the story. For all we know, the little brother could of been harassing him, breaking his stuff on purpose, and whatnot.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;22542094]Words cannot describe the feeling of contempt I have for your incredible ignorance.
A lobster "feels" in the same way...[/QUOTE]
Well said.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;22542193]Notice how nothing was said about the little brothers side of the story. For all we know, the little brother could of been harassing him, breaking his stuff on purpose, and whatnot.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't justify killing a live organism, now does it?
[QUOTE=xxncxx;22542193]Notice how nothing was said about the little brothers side of the story. For all we know, the little brother could of been harassing him, breaking his stuff on purpose, and whatnot.[/QUOTE]
Not much of an excuse to put his hamster in the microwave. There's a good chance that if this 16 year old has no problem doing that, that he probably also has no moral qualms about physically and mentally torturing his brother. This act was probably to do just that.
isn't this is a pretty old story?
What a fucking prick
Oh when a million cows are slaughtered its fine. When one itty bitty mouse is microwaved, everyone automatically becomes Peta.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;22542379]Oh when a million cows are slaughtered its fine. When one itty bitty mouse is microwaved, everyone automatically becomes Peta.[/QUOTE]
If he had microwaved the hamster for the sole purpose of eating it, and made sure that it had been killed painlessly in advance (well, it wouldn't necessarily have to be painless, but microwaving it is just cruel), I wouldn't have a problem with it. Because that's the situation with the cows.
And ironically, you sound like someone from PETA yourself.
[QUOTE=Fat Joe;22537750]Oh yeah, because a hamsters life is equal to a human's life right?[/QUOTE]
The hamster cannot fight back, a human can...it's not only the fact that the hamster suffered so horribly like this before it died, it's also the fact that this kid was able to do something like this and have no feelings about it. If he were to keep this type of shit up, where do you think it would lead?
Yeah I guess that didn't have much to do with microwaving the kid, but there's my opinion on this. I think putting the kid through some serious, searing pain wouldn't be a bad idea though. Something similar to a microwave, only not to the extent of causing permanent damage.
[QUOTE=Jund;22538346]If you think it's okay to put another living being in a microwave and burn it alive, you are less than human.[/QUOTE]
If I had to choose between killing a human and a hamster I know I'd choose the hamster and I'm sure you would too so in that respect human life is worth more. However it's still wrong to kill any being.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;22542094]Words cannot describe the feeling of contempt I have for your incredible ignorance.
A lobster "feels" in the same way a car feels before it turn on it's alarm. They have a very primitive nervous system, and no spine. If you touch them with a feather they'll get the same feeling as if you cut it in half with a cleaver. They certainly be alerted on a great scale, yes. But the lobster doesn't think "OH MY GOD, WHAT DID YOU DO, THIS IS SO AGONIZING!!!!" They don't think at all, because their brain is the size of a lentil. They are not even aware of their own existence.
Lobsters, as well as most invertebrates are nothing but organic robots. They don't have sentience, they don't have the capacity to feel pain, and they don't interpret that pain and feel emotion because of it. They simply have a number of pre-programmed reactions to a certain situation, based on what their limited sensory organs can perceive from the environment around them. If you built robot that could sense when something touches it, and then you hit that robot with a baseball bat, it'd be basically the same feeling that a Lobster would have.
A vertebrate mammal, on the other hand, does have the capacity to feel pain. Pain is an intense alertness trigger created by a complex nervous system, that will instill emotional and physical harm upon the organism. Lobsters do not have the capacity to feel pain, and does not have the emotional and physical agony that a mammal will have.[/QUOTE]
I made it clear in my previous post that the method via which this alert is created, propagated and processed in the creature does not matter to me. When the purpose of the alert is to force the body of the creature to respond to the physical damage, it is pain. Creatures as advanced as lobsters couldn't survive without a pain mechanism that would prevent them from getting into danger.
Pain overrides with its urgent nature all other activity that is going on in the creature's mind. This is true for us humans too, since we are also nothing but organic robots. Our advancedness hasn't improved the way we feel pain. It still goes past all our more high-level functions, and our response to it is nothing but primitive and comparable to that of a lobster's. This is obvious from the fact that certain painkillers have similar effects on both humans and lobsters.
If emotional agony stems from memories and the fundamental knowledge that pain must be prevented, then crustaceans have this capability just like vertebrates do.
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You can't argue with my becaCAUSE THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE, AND IT IS NOT BASED ON ANY REALISTIC RATIONAL!!
Crustaceans do not have emotions or memories. A brain dead human being is more consciously aware than a Lobster is. I already stated the facts, if you want to believe in something that's not true, go ahead.
Your mind, in its weakness, is struggling to fight back the inconvenient and shameful realization that you're wrong - and that the belief that an advanced brain makes one more capable of suffering is childish and ignorant - by making me the despicable antagonist. If you looked in a mirror, you wouldn't see yourself in it, but some figment warped by your narcissism.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;22543164]Your mind, in its weakness, is struggling to fight back the inconvenient and shameful realization that you're wrong - and that the belief that an advanced brain makes one more capable of suffering is childish and ignorant - by making me the despicable antagonist. If you looked in a mirror, you wouldn't see yourself in it, but some figment warped by your narcissism.[/QUOTE]
Oh my god, you're so deep. It's brings a tear to my eye..
You will be my new messiah.
What an intellectual and relevant discussion you two have going on.
[QUOTE=Chrille;22543198]What an intellectual and relevant discussion you two have going on.[/QUOTE]
What a useful comment.
I thought he wasn't being serious with those insults he felt like he had to stuff in every post, but now I see that he was and I regret writing that last post because he can't take it humorously
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