• Boy microwaves brother's hamster
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[QUOTE=hypno-toad;22543236]What a useful comment.[/QUOTE] I felt like joining the club.
This reminds me of a story about 4 years ago in my area, some dudes got totally hammered at a huge street party and found a random cat and microwaved it until it exploded. Oh and yes it did explode.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;22543247]I thought he wasn't being serious with those insults he felt like he had to stuff in every post, but now I see that he was and I regret writing that last post because he can't take it humorously[/QUOTE] My comments are no longer serious, because you are so mind-knumblingly dense that I feel any words of logic or seriousness are wasted on you. It's just hard for me to stop because you keep opening your mouth. Do you feel that it is wrong to drop a car with an alarm into boiling water? A lobster has as much awareness as a car alarm. Inf act, if the car has an onboard computer, it probably has more awareness than a lobster because it can make calculated decisions.
[QUOTE=johanz;22540640]Tell that to lobsters that are being boiled alive[/QUOTE] Lobsters are place in warm water that is progressivly becoming hot. It usually passes out before beggining to feel the pain.
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[QUOTE=hypno-toad;22543136]itt: You can't argue with my becaCAUSE THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE, AND IT IS NOT BASED ON ANY REALISTIC RATIONAL!! Crustaceans do not have emotions or memories. A brain dead human being is more consciously aware than a Lobster is. I already stated the facts, if you want to believe in something that's not true, go ahead.[/QUOTE] Please make sure that if you tell someone to check their facts, you have done so yourself. Crustaceans do have memories, [i]and[/i] they can feel pain. [url=http://www.mbl.edu/research/services/iacuc/pdf/pain_hermit_crabs.pdf]Here's a study[/url] that shows how hermit crabs (which are by the way crustaceans, did you know that?) base their decisions on the memory of physical pain.
[QUOTE=~ZOMG;22539497]I went to beat that fucker to death with my bare hands.[/QUOTE] How'd it go?
Hamsters are cute :<
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;22543320]Do you feel that it is wrong to drop a car with an alarm into boiling water? A lobster has as much awareness as a car alarm. Inf act, if the car has an onboard computer, it probably has more awareness than a lobster because it can make calculated decisions.[/QUOTE] I'm biased towards living things.
Well see, that's odd, because there's also a study that sates they probably don't feel pain (the "probably" is mostly likely because of the 1% chance that they might) I've seen multiple studies now that state different things. if pain is subjective as you seem to think it is, than insects, and even some microorganisms feel pain. You'd better stop walking around, because you're causing so much agony when you step onto grass and kill many insects. Because insects also have the primitive ability to tell when they've been touched.
basicly, you have to understand this ...the world is messed up.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;22543434]I'm biased towards living things.[/QUOTE] What makes it a living thing, why is a robot not a living thing?
Avatar fits Dr Bob.
It's a fucking hamster for god-sakes. You don't fucking do that!
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;22543498]What makes it a living thing, why is a robot not a living thing?[/QUOTE] I think he means a living orginism.
Guess he got tired of throwing them at walls.
You people don't give a fuck of the thousand of people suffering from AIDS though you still care for a hamster that gets microwaved. [B]YOU ARE THE HEARTLESS ONES. [/B]
[QUOTE=xxncxx;22542193]Notice how nothing was said about the little brothers side of the story. For all we know, the little brother could of been harassing him, breaking his stuff on purpose, and whatnot.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah, because that makes it totally okay to stick his pet in the microwave. :downs:
[QUOTE=gt118;22543559]I think he means a living orginism.[/QUOTE] I just asked, what makes a living organism? Nothing does. Life is just a random occurrence, that can be replicated. If robotic replica of a hamster was made, it would be just as alive as a "living" one. Something tells me the guy arguing with me wouldn't give half a shit about an artificial organism compared to one that occurs naturally, despite the fact that they could both be the same. He has a arbitrary bias, there's no reasoning behind it. A Lobster does not go through agony on anywhere near the same level as a Hamster. A lobster is like a naturally occurring robot. All it's functions and reactions are pre-programmed, it does not have anything that could be significantly referred to as a brain, and most of all, it is not even aware of it's own existance. A lobster does not [U]live[/U], it just [U]does[/U]. Like a virus. A virus is an inanimate, sythetic object that behaves in an animate manner. The only difference between a Lobster and it is that the Lobster has a complex celluar structure (which defines it as "living"), but neither of them are aware of their own existance, and all their daily tasks are pre-programmed and arbitrary.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;22543469]Well see, that's odd, because there's also a study that sates they probably don't feel pain (the "probably" is mostly likely because of the 1% chance that they might) I've seen multiple studies now that state different things. if pain is subjective as you seem to think it is, than insects, and even some microorganisms feel pain. You'd better stop walking around, because you're causing so much agony when you step onto grass and kill many insects. Because insects also have the primitive ability to tell when they've been touched.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;22543498]What makes it a living thing, why is a robot not a living thing?[/QUOTE] You're getting into a discussion about values, which no longer really concerns the question whether or not lobsters feel pain.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;22543744]I just asked, what makes a living organism? Nothing does. Life is just a random occurrence, that can be replicated. If robotic replica of a hamster was made, it would be just as alive as a "living" one. Something tells me the guy arguing with me wouldn't give half a shit about an artificial organism compared to one that occurs naturally, despite the fact that they could both be the same. He has a arbitrary bias, there's no reasoning behind it. A Lobster does not go through agony on anywhere near the same level as a Hamster.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Do you feel bad for your computer when you start a game that throws violently your CPU and GPU to 100%? No, of course you don't. Following your logic guys, you should, afterall, they're just different types of "living things".
[QUOTE=Bman212;22541133]i believe the real murderer here is the microwave[/QUOTE] Microwaves don't kill people, people kill people.
[QUOTE=vachon644;22543680]You people don't give a fuck of the thousand of people suffering from AIDS though you still care for a hamster that gets microwaved. [B]YOU ARE THE HEARTLESS ONES. [/B][/QUOTE] You don't care either.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;22543787]You're getting into a discussion about values, which no longer really concerns the question whether or not lobsters feel pain.[/QUOTE] Regardless of [B]your[/B] interpretation of what pain is, it is very clear that Humans and all Mammals, for that matter, feel pain on a much higher and far more complex level than a lobster, or most invertebrates. A Lobster will not feel sad, it won't remember any previous moments of pain, and it will not affect the Lobsters reaction any more than grabbing it would. if you grab a Lobster underwater, it'll flap it's tail to get away from the threat. This is not something it decided to do, it is purely a pre-programmed reaction. if you drop a Lobster in boiling water, it will flap it's tail and try to get away from the threat. Since it is still alerted , it will continue to flap it's tail and try to get away, doing so until it dies. A Hamster will claw at the window desperately trying to escape the chamber that it immediately recognized to be the source of the pain, and it will do so until it dies or until the microwave stops. While doing so, it will become extremely panicked, and possibly even sad to some extent. It's just like the difference between putting a human in a microwave, compared to putting a hamster in a microwave. the human will realize that it has been put in a microwave, will make desperate attempts to escape the microwave, all the while feeling panicked, and realizing that it will die. While burning, it will be screaming in pain, all the while coming to the realization of how sad it's family will be that it has died, and realizing that it's at the end of it's rope, and that anything it could have accomplished will be no more. So, is putting a Lobster in a pot of boiling water as bad as doing the same to a human? The Lobster flaps it tail arbitrarily, not even conscious, or aware that it's being attacked. Whereas the human is completely aware of it's surroundings, the intent of the being that put it in the water, and is aware of the repercussions of it's own death. As well as feeling the emotional and physical symptoms of pain.
What a way to win an argument. I feel bad for the microwave.
[QUOTE=benjgvps;22543955]Microwaves don't kill people, people kill people.[/QUOTE] People don't kill people, microwaves kill everyone!
Regardless of what you care for hamsters, cruelty to animals is a tell-tale sign of being a sociopath.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;22544268]Regardless of what you care for hamsters, cruelty to animals is a tell-tale sign of being a sociopath.[/QUOTE] There's no doubt about that, I had a friend who's brother used to attack him with a baseball bat. The kid did absolutely nothing, the tiniest things would provoke his brother to beat on him; it was probably more a matter of random violence and the intent to cause pain. The brother is now some Nazi skinhead who's probably been arrested by now. I think it's safe to say that the little brother in this story probably didn't do very much to provoke this.
This kid needs to die. Sure, you may argue that it was just a hamster, and it's life isn't equal to a humans', but look at it this way: a person who can do something like this to a hamster would no doubt do the same to a human. Sociopaths like this need to be wiped out before they cause more suffering.
For those who don't already know, microwaves accelerate molecules which causes them to heat up, when applied to a living creature, their body fluids will burn them alive, like stated previously.
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