• Female game developer's $40,892 Kickstarter project goes unfinished, donates remaining funding to Fe
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[QUOTE=1/4 Life;46623208]This is how calm, collected developers handle issues with responsibility. IN aLL CAPS AFTER SOME POOR LIFE DECISIONS[/QUOTE] by giving all of the money she made to a scam artist and an awful person?
Do you get tax breaks in the US if you donate to charity? I know you do in some other countries, and it would make sense in this case.
[QUOTE=Stopper;46623498]Do you get tax breaks in the US if you donate to charity? I know you do in some other countries, and would make sense here.[/QUOTE] God, I hope Feminist Frequency isn't considered a charitable organization.
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;46623497]by giving all of the money she made to a scam artist and an awful person?[/QUOTE] its a joke
[QUOTE=Korova;46623448] 2.) Ethical guidelines for various media outlets such as Kotaku/Polygon have changed. Gawker Media has admittedly lost hundreds of thousands, "potentially millions" of dollars from advertisers pulling out. FTC came out and demanded that native advertising discloses such deals. Maybe not in direct response to #GamerGate but it got people talking about ethics and about Gawker Media's practices in general so I'm sure at some level, this came up.[/QUOTE] I've never been successfully convinced that there was any conspiracy in indie game journalism or, moreover, that there are even "millions of dollars" to be made in writing blog posts about indie games about the "queer experience" but even then, couldn't this, theoretically, have been accomplished without spending over 1,000,000,000,000 manhours picking fights with feminists on twitter? [QUOTE=blerb;46623449] People say "it's about ethics" but it's grown past that. It's evident that radical feminism/SJW culture is the root cause. Equality is great and all but the "equality" they preach is anything but. I don't have a problem with their culture existing alongside regular gaming culture (whatever that may be) but they aren't the type of people who should be in control of it. [/QUOTE] At least this guy is honest that gamergate is actually a groundswell reaction against progressive social critique of video games. I wicked fucking disagree with him 100 percent about that being a bad thing but at least he's not hiding behind some meaningless byline about "ethics."
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46623517]Couldn't this, theoretically, have been accomplished without spending over 1,000,000,000,000 manhours picking fights with feminists on twitter? [/QUOTE] From what I've seen on Twitter, they're the ones picking the fights. Only reason Zoe/Anita/Briana were mentioned so much on Twitter was due to the fact that they were touring the media publicity circuit.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46623517]but at least he's not hiding behind some meaningless byline about "ethics."[/QUOTE] jesus christ you really don't read anything do you holy shit I shouldn't be mad at words on a screen but fucking HELL
I'd like to feel sorry for those that gave her money, but A) you are made fully aware that kickstarters can fail, and B) these type of feminists are cancerous If anything I pity those that spent money on this as they've now funded something else. Kickstarter should reverse the transactions or something
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46623517]Couldn't this, theoretically, have been accomplished without spending over 1,000,000,000,000 manhours picking fights with feminists on twitter?[/QUOTE] No. Being seen on social media was the only way this was ever going to work. Social media is our only voice, these websites have taken all other paths away. This never would have worked in, like, the 90s.
[QUOTE=Karmah;46623535]I'd like to feel sorry for those that gave her money, but A) you are made fully aware that kickstarters can fail, and B) these type of feminists are cancerous[/QUOTE] Anyone who follows her on Twitter knows that she's a train wreck and people who gave money to her should have done a little research. Still... She had the money in pocket and she decided to give it away. What the fuck is wrong with these people?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46623517]At least this guy is honest that gamergate is actually a groundswell reaction against progressive social critique of video games. I wicked fucking disagree with him 100 percent about that being a bad thing but at least he's not hiding behind some meaningless byline about "ethics."[/QUOTE] Calling something progressive doesn't mean that it's beyond criticism or that the people espousing it are sincere. I probably agree with you that critique is perfectly healthy, but that's not what's being offered.
I can understand you quitting a game development that you are doing; but shouldn't you at least give the money back(or as much as you can) to the people rather than giving it to a cause your supporters may/may not approve of? This just screams "MAKE ME A MARTYR"
She is still trying to get money through other sites as well.. [url]http://www.patreon.com/PixelGoth?ty=c[/url] This is where kickstarter-esque and GoFundMe-esque sites are going to die. Too much work to counter those who wish to abuse it, given that those who send money can be out of the jurisdiction of those who receive it.. making it difficult to chase up.
[QUOTE=Korova;46623552]Anyone who follows her on Twitter knows that she's a train wreck and people who gave money to her should have done a little research. Still... She had the money in pocket and she decided to give it away. What the fuck is wrong with these people?[/QUOTE] She should be arrested or something. At the very least kickstarter should investigate this as [I]clearly[/I] she didn't want to refund the money and "allegedly" donated it instead. Perhaps she had even further debts?
[QUOTE=Korova;46623531]From what I've seen on Twitter, they're the ones picking the fights. Only reason Zoe/Anita/Briana were mentioned so much on Twitter was due to the fact that they were touring the media publicity circuit.[/QUOTE] Like Anita (who seemingly has done nothing wrong except hurt people's feelings by expressing her opinions) made money on kickstarter but apart from that exactly how much money, do you estimate, is to be made in writing opeds about twine games? Is there that much ad revenue to be made colluding with a game dev to positively review her text adventure game about what it's like to be a depressed dragon on the inside? Like I know actual journalists who write about actual news instead of nerd shit and they're all broke as hell. It seems strange to me that people would smell the smoke of a moneymaking conspiracy emanating from a place where, seemingly, there is very very little money to be made. Like to the effect of tens of thousands of dollars at the most compared to the billion dollar deals that AAA companies currently deal in. If everyone was honest and just say "this is actually about feminism" instead of trying to earn legitimacy by Lebowsking up a conspiracy I'd have [i]less[/i] less of a problem with gamergate.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;46623575]She is still trying to get money through other sites as well.. [url]http://www.patreon.com/PixelGoth?ty=c[/url] This is where kickstarter-esque and GoFundMe-esque sites are going to die. Too much work to counter those who wish to abuse it, given that those who send money can be out of the jurisdiction of those who receive it.. making it difficult to chase up.[/QUOTE] I wonder if she actually even donated it then. I mean screaming "it's because I am a woman" and then giving it to a person who will basically say anything to support her ideas, may just lie and say she got it to not hurt a 'feminist'.
[QUOTE=Stopper;46623498]Do you get tax breaks in the US if you donate to charity? I know you do in some other countries, and it would make sense in this case.[/QUOTE] It still would have been cheaper to use the money to just pay off the IRS than getting a tax break (that doesn't evaporate taxes, just takes a small slice off).
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46623583]Like Anita (who seemingly has done nothing wrong except hurt people's feelings by expressing her opinions) made money on kickstarter but apart from that exactly how much money, do you estimate, is to be made in writing news articles about twine games? Like I know actual journalists who write about actual news instead of nerd shit and they're all broke as hell. It seems strange to me that people would smell the smoke of a moneymaking conspiracy emanating from a place where, seemingly, there is very very little money to be made. Like to the effect of tens of thousands of dollars at the most compared to the billion dollar deals that AAA companies currently deal in.[/QUOTE] That's fine. Want to write clickbait garbage? That's okay. Everyone would be okay with that. We're just sick of Polygon/Kotaku masquerading as a journalistic site and playing the "we're bloggers" card when it's convenient and abandoning the title of a journalist when it's inconvenient.
[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;46623558]Calling something progressive doesn't mean that it's beyond criticism or that the people espousing it are sincere. I probably agree with you that critique is perfectly healthy, but that's not what's being offered.[/QUOTE] It's also really about ethics. Ignoring that is ignoring the entire reason that people got angry in the first place. Nobody cared that some random dev fucked five people, they care that she used sexual favors to get good reviews on her game. It's ballooned past that - now it's very clear that multiple websites are colluding on review scores and accepting bribes and favors all over the place. If the NY Times did this, the colluding members would be fired or fined. It's a clear breach of journalistic ethics and GamerGate is a consumer response to that. The anti-feminist undertone is a minority and a lot of it is made up by the sites trying to pretend that they're doing nothing wrong.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46623517]Couldn't this, theoretically, have been accomplished without spending over 1,000,000,000,000 manhours picking fights with feminists on twitter? At least this guy is honest that gamergate is actually a groundswell reaction against progressive social critique of video games. I wicked fucking disagree with him 100 percent about that being a bad thing but at least he's not hiding behind some meaningless byline about "ethics."[/QUOTE] It's still about ethics. Have you watched feminist frequency? Looked at SJW rhetoric on tumblr? Do you honestly believe that 3rd wave feminism is progressive? I suppose it is, if you consider reversing gender roles and reversing sexism and racism onto white men social progress. I don't have a problem with them publishing their critique, but when it's used in social academia, it makes me sick. It's about ethics on a core level. Anita Sarkeesian and John McIntosh, two highly influential feminists/SJWs, are rotten people, just as their views are. Their influence is being felt all over popular culture, and it's only going to keep spreading. Go ahead and deny this, it really makes no difference. The only thing here to blame for that is your objective ignorance.
It's amazing how many people there are who do whatever they feel like without thinking about the consequences and then throw a massive fit when people are upset with them. It's really frustrating, they're acting like teens thrown into an adult world without any idea how things actually work.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46623583]Like Anita (who seemingly has done nothing wrong except hurt people's feelings by expressing her opinions) made money on kickstarter but apart from that exactly how much money, do you estimate, is to be made in writing opeds about twine games? Is there that much ad revenue to be made colluding with a game dev to positively review her text adventure game about what it's like to be a depressed dragon on the inside? [B]Like I know actual journalists who write about actual news instead of nerd shit and they're all broke as hell[/B]. It seems strange to me that people would smell the smoke of a moneymaking conspiracy emanating from a place where, seemingly, there is very very little money to be made. [B]Like to the effect of tens of thousands of dollars at the most compared to the billion dollar deals that AAA companies currently deal in.[/B][/QUOTE] Anecdotes and fallacy of relative privation, respectively. Sorry but your argument just falls flat if that's what its going to boil down to. PS: Anita doing nothing wrong is debatable, but this isn't the time nor place for that argument.
[QUOTE=Hellreaver;46623604]What the [B]fuck[/B] Why does she tweet about how proud she is to have donated her first "#gamedev paycheck" to feminist frequency? It's not a fucking paycheck, you stole money from a kick starter, you dumb bitch.[/QUOTE] Because these people do everything out in the open because they feel that they're immune to criticism and use their politics, their gender,their sexuality and their ideals as a shield from anything that comes their way.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;46623317]honkeys[/QUOTE] excuse me this is racist???
[QUOTE=blerb;46623612]It's still about ethics. Have you watched feminist frequency? Looked at SJW rhetoric on tumblr? Do you honestly believe that 3rd wave feminism is progressive? I suppose it is, if you consider reversing gender roles and reversing sexism and racism onto white men social progress. I don't have a problem with them publishing their critique, but when it's used in social academia, it makes me sick. It's about ethics on a core level. Anita Sarkeesian and John McIntosh, two highly influential feminists/SJWs, are rotten people, just as their views are. Their influence is being felt all over popular culture, and it's only going to keep spreading. Go ahead and deny this,[/QUOTE] ok. all the words you said are wrong and i deny them. even if you convinced me that "sjws" were all "rotten people" you'd be hard pressed to convince me that a cabal of tumblr teens are actually a threat to your way of life.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;46623533]jesus christ you really don't read anything do you holy shit I shouldn't be mad at words on a screen but fucking HELL[/QUOTE] its SigmaLambda, shitposting is literally what he does try not to take it to heart
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46623583]Like Anita (who seemingly has done nothing wrong except hurt people's feelings by expressing her opinions) made money on kickstarter but apart from that exactly how much money, do you estimate, is to be made in writing opeds about twine games? Is there that much ad revenue to be made colluding with a game dev to positively review her text adventure game about what it's like to be a depressed dragon on the inside? Like I know actual journalists who write about actual news instead of nerd shit and they're all broke as hell. It seems strange to me that people would smell the smoke of a moneymaking conspiracy emanating from a place where, seemingly, there is very very little money to be made. Like to the effect of tens of thousands of dollars at the most compared to the billion dollar deals that AAA companies currently deal in.[/QUOTE] Gaming journalists fixed games to win at IGF. Games that they were financially invested in and wanted a return on. They then promoted these games on their websites, netting them huge profits. That is borderline illegal - you cannot run a contest and fix the results to give you financial gain. When people confronted them about these, they called them anti-women and shit that wasn't at all related to the accusations. The bribery for AAA games is another reason gaming journalism is laughable. It's not journalism. It's blogging with a hell of a lot of money involved. Indie games can be very, very profitable with a very small initial cost - trying to say "but these people do it worse!" doesn't mean shit. They're still fixing contests and colluding on reviews to give them financial gain. It's incredibly scummy behavior and you really shouldn't be defending it.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46623636]ok. all the words you said are wrong and i deny them. even if you convinced me that "sjws" were all "rotten people" you'd be hard pressed to convince me that a cabal of tumblr teens are actually a threat to your way of life.[/QUOTE] When those tumblr teens get positions as journalists, it is threatening my way of life quite frankly. I don't want to live in a world where the behavior I've seen from these "respectable public figures" is anything near acceptable.
[QUOTE=Rejokk;46623435]OMG STFU GG is not about those things you say! We are an important consumer revolt that has changed the face of the industry and we do not care about Anita!!! Now if you'll excuse me I need to go back to the GG thread to talk about Anita's latest tweet :)[/QUOTE] max? is that you?
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46623621]Anecdotes and fallacy of relative privation, respectively. Sorry but your argument just falls flat if that's what its going to boil down to. [/QUOTE] My favorite internet magic trick is when someone just finds some vaguely relevant "logical fallacies" on wikipedia and copies them into their post. Congratulations David Blaine, you've ignored my argument while pretending to be smart about it. [QUOTE=xxncxx;46623621] PS: Anita doing nothing wrong is debatable, but this isn't the time nor place for that argument.[/QUOTE] People are saying she did stuff wrong so I should be allowed to respond in kind.
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