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[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46623691]If your way of life depends on the freedom to have big naked breasts swaying around in all of the video games you play you should maybe reconsider your prerogatives. That freedom isn't even being taken away, that shit's just being called awful.
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That isn't what I'm talking about. I'm just not a fan of radicals being given a podium to speak from. They've been spoon feeding the public a false narrative for the past several years and that will change the way people view things.
I'm not a fan of editorial content being mixed with objective content in a way that is intellectually dishonest. I am not a fan of reporters not disclosing their sources and their biases towards a particular subject. I'm not a fan of public figures acting like they can tell people to kill themselves and get away with it. I'm not a fan of public figures insulting their audience and when the audience goes to their corporate masters in a way to deal with unprofessional/despicable behavior, they cry harassment.
I'm not a fan of journalists writing about media being blatantly anti-consumer in a public manner and alienating their own audience and bitching when it goes badly for them.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46623824]Source?[/QUOTE]
Umm, the Zoe Quinn incident?
Like, I'm not gonna say he went a bit over the top with his argument but don't act like you don't know where all of this started.
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;46623829]At this point, I just wish #GG would be dropped forever in favor of something with the same goals, but is less of a horrible mess. You know, something more organized and focused that isn't just a hashtag that any idiot on twitter can use.[/QUOTE]
You mean like a thread on a forum that any idiot can use?
[QUOTE=Rejokk;46623814]Telling people that they can't read without actually telling them what to read/look at is my favourite type of counter-argument.[/QUOTE]
You can literally just go to twitter, search the #gamergate hashtag, and follow various links and tweets from numerous GG supports who yes, are actually of differing ethnicity and gender. Even looking at the early pages of the gamergate thread on GD there's a metric ton of links to articles and interviews surrounding the entire thing.
But nah, that would put a crack in your worldview and we can't have that happening, can we?
[QUOTE=Rejokk;46623814]Telling people that they can't read without actually telling them what to read/look at is my favourite type of counter-argument.[/QUOTE]
Devils Avocado: You should probably research the thing you want to talk about before you talk about it.
I didn't mind Sigma but we seriously explained the GG thing to him 4 or 5 times across multiple threads over several months now.
[QUOTE=Rejokk;46623842]Umm, the Zoe Quinn incident?
Like, I'm not gonna say he went a bit over the top with his argument but don't act like you don't know where all of this started.[/QUOTE]
But where in that was it ever about feminism at its core? That's what I'm asking. Feminism wasn't a core cause of GamerGate, but it's still a factor.
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;46623829]At this point, I just wish #GG would be dropped forever in favor of something with the same goals, but is less of a horrible mess. You know, something more organized and focused that isn't just a hashtag that any idiot on twitter can use.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes of course, only for that too to be slandered to hell and back, with all credibility pulled from it!
Many before you have suggested the same thing, and it just won't work. Game journos will put out the same spin, and mainstream media will run with it without verifying anything.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46623851]Devils Avocado: You should probably research the thing you want to talk about before you talk about it.
I didn't mind Sigma but we seriously explained the GG thing to him 4 or 5 times across multiple threads over several months now.[/QUOTE]
It's sort of ironic. In one of the Ferguson threads, I told him that you need to educate people on stuff if you want them to listen instead of attacking them. He agreed, but said that people don't pay attention.
And then he got banned for not paying attention when people were trying to educate him.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46623862]But where in that was it ever about feminism at its core? That's what I'm asking. Feminism wasn't a core cause of GamerGate, but it's still a factor.[/QUOTE]
It got popular because of IA's videos on the matter, and IA wouldn't have made them if a feminist hadn't been involved.
I'm not saying GG is only about anti-feminism, but if feminism hadn't been involved in that first incident GG probably wouldn't be a thing.
[QUOTE=Korova;46623844]You mean like a thread on a forum that any idiot can use?[/QUOTE]
You know, actually a thread would be a great idea considering it'd be centralized, harassment could be moderated.... Oh wait, all the major gaming forums banned this sort of discussion so that can't happen. Also if Reddit/4chan taught us anything, we can't trust moderators to be objective about this because IP addresses end up being leaked and "anonymous" users end up getting doxxed.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46623823]It's not, though. I don't give a rat's ass about the feminist aspect of gamergate - I just want to see gaming journalists act in an ethical way. You can say I'm not really a supporter of gamergate, but that's a no true scotsman argument. Yes, gamergate as a movement has underpinnings of anti-radical-feminism, I don't disagree. No, gamergate is not entirely about that. It is about ethics in gaming journalism. It is about consumers holding journalists accountable for their unethical actions.
It's unbelievable that people honestly think gamergate is about "FUCK WOMEN." If it really was, people would say that they're fighting against women in games. They'd say that is the purpose. They don't - they say it's ethics in gaming journalism, because that is (and has been) the purpose since the beginning.[/QUOTE]
To be honest, i don't think gaming journalism and journalists should be taken seriously.
Never buy things on kickstarter
why didn't Doritogate mobilize you guys
[QUOTE=EskillV2;46623335]That was a really fucking stupid decision which is going to bite her in the ass painfully.
I feel bad for her but she deserves the trouble that's coming for her.
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Scratch that, no longer feel bad for her.
She's lying thief.[/QUOTE]
Yeah pretty much any empathy I had has evaporated after this.
[QUOTE=Adarrek;46623886]To be honest, i don't think gaming journalism and journalists should be taken seriously.[/QUOTE]
I wish it would be able to, but it's pretty obvious now that it's a dying form of journalism. Professional journalism in general is falling apart to the likes of Buzzfeed and clickbait and shit. The only trustworthy source of news is enthusiast journalism (aka youtubers like TotalBiscuit)
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46623892]why didn't Doritogate mobilize you guys[/QUOTE]
People did get together, but no one listened.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;46623866]Ah yes of course, only for that too to be slandered to hell and back, with all credibility pulled from it!
Many before you have suggested the same thing, and it just won't work. Game journos will put out the same spin, and mainstream media will run with it without verifying anything.[/QUOTE]
I don't get what you're saying. If it's not an organized group, it can't be slandered?
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46623892]why didn't Doritogate mobilize you guys[/QUOTE]
It did. People were upset about that and he lost a lot of face. That was one incident. The AAA industry learned a long time ago that they can't get away with this kind of shit. The indie devs are being targeted because they're the only ones doing anything really wrong right now.
I was involved in those discussions. No one cared.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46623901]I wish it would be able to, but it's pretty obvious now that it's a dying form of journalism. Professional journalism in general is falling apart to the likes of Buzzfeed and clickbait and shit. The only trustworthy source of news is enthusiast journalism (aka youtubers like TotalBiscuit)[/QUOTE]
I agree, nowadays pretty much everyone can become one (and wants to become one) without serious effort thanks to the internet thus the overall quality decreases.
I hope the IRS takes every technological item she has so the world doesn't have to be plagued with her dumbass twitter posts.
And then she goes to jail.
Gender don't matter in there, she says she's been losing a lot of weight too..
[QUOTE=meppers;46623890]Never buy things on kickstarter[/QUOTE]
Pledging is a terrible idea considering all the debacles over kickstarter and early access.
[QUOTE=Rejokk;46623881]It got popular because of IA's videos on the matter, and IA wouldn't have made them if a feminist hadn't been involved.
I'm not saying GG is only about anti-feminism, but if feminism hadn't been involved in that first incident GG probably wouldn't be a thing.[/QUOTE]
Funny thing is that IA isn't involved in GG anymore.
You're right on GG being spun off from the core of that stupid Zoe Quinn debacle (which even I thought was ridiculous and didn't touch with a 10 foot pole), but GG has changed into something else entirely. Many different kinds of people have joined in all with the same ideals and shared goal of a more ethical games media.
Hell, just search #NotYourShield and see firsthand all the people that have come together. It's really something else.
I'll give a benefit of doubt, she probably donated a small portion. Twitter is terrible since there's a lot that you can't fit in 140 characters.
[QUOTE=MachiniOs;46623933]Pledging is a terrible idea considering all the debacles over kickstarter and early access.[/QUOTE]
It's the same idiots who buy steam early access. Though speaking from experience, i suppose it's easy to fall prey to all the things that some of these things like kickstarter etc... promise.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46623901]I wish it would be able to, but it's pretty obvious now that it's a dying form of journalism. Professional journalism in general is falling apart to the likes of Buzzfeed and clickbait and shit. The only trustworthy source of news is enthusiast journalism (aka youtubers like TotalBiscuit)[/QUOTE]
I would argue that professional journalism over the past 10 years has just been professional blogging, gone are the golden years of Charlie Brooker.
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;46623904]I don't get what you're saying. If it's not an organized group, it can't be slandered?[/QUOTE]
What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter how organized you are, or what different banner your fly yourself under. If you poke the beast, it's gonna strike back the same. People say that games media writers are powerless and "who cares about games journalism", but it's actually quite easy for one of them to jump on twitter, tweet to their thousands of followers that you or the banner you're flying are the worst vile monsters ever and deserve to be harassed and doxed, and they will do so.
[QUOTE=meppers;46623890]Never buy things on kickstarter[/QUOTE]
As much as I hate this attitude, I can't blame you guys for feeling this way. I've researched everything I've ever backed and I've always been extremely pleased with the results. These titles I backed wouldn't have been made without our funding.
If you do back something, do a little research. All of this could have been avoided if they checked her Twitter account.
Clearly noone here understands why Anita and radical feminism is tied to gamergate.
It's not because of the actions of the gamergate movement.
It's not because of her being involved in the bad journalism.
It's for one reason, because [B][I]she wants to be.[/I][/B]
Anita has terrible ideals and is doing horrible things for feminism, such as tarnishing its image, however, she is very good at getting what she thrives one: attention
She wouldn't be relevant if she didn't get any attention, and she is well aware of this. After all, what are her degrees in?
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BA (communication studies)
MA (social and political thought)
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Surprise surprise.
People were starting to move away from her petty disturbance in the gaming scene and were starting to move onto something bigger, corruption in games journalism. She would have well known that this new news item would've taken the spotlight away from her, so she injected herself, and in turn many other radical feminists into the gamergate movement.
What saddens me is that real feminism is now losing face and image to some people because of this.
All because one annoying blogger decided she didn't have enough attention.
[QUOTE=Korova;46623907]It did. People were upset about that and he lost a lot of face. That was one incident. The AAA industry learned a long time ago that they can't get away with this kind of shit. The indie devs are being targeted because they're the only ones doing anything really wrong right now.
I was involved in those discussions. No one cared.[/QUOTE]
all I saw when it happened was a whole lot of memes
also can you honestly with a straight face tell me that AAA titles aren't getting they same preferential treatment they always have because I have not noticed a difference
[QUOTE=Rejokk;46623881]It got popular because of IA's videos on the matter, and IA wouldn't have made them if a feminist hadn't been involved.
I'm not saying GG is only about anti-feminism, but if feminism hadn't been involved in that first incident GG probably wouldn't be a thing.[/QUOTE]
While he did help it gain traction, hes not the sole reason it blew up and I think it can be concluded that not everyone in GamerGate shares his view on it (anti-feminism). Like I said, feminism still plays a part in GG partially because as mentioned before, some people are inserting themselves into the fray and bringing feminism with them.
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