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[QUOTE=Mattk50;46624171] Additionally, awareness has been raised about problems with the colloqually termed SJW mentality which will likely be an important contribution as our politics advance, hopefully preventing overcompensating of racism and sexism that could be just as damaging as both of those things. But this and similar affects are far more subjective 'benefits' i suppose. so i won't go into too much depth. [/QUOTE] Oh by all means go indepth because I am incredibly confused as to how you can "overcompensate" when it comes to preventing racism.
[QUOTE=Korova;46624219]Wouldn't you consider TotalBiscuit as the Ebert of the gaming industry? I think that's fair to say.[/QUOTE] that would be tough for me since I don't like him but that's an entirely personal thing with Ebert it was less about the man himself and more about how he revolutionized reviews as a whole so I guess we'll see if TB has that effect? I thought Jim Sterling was more influential personally but I guess I don't pay that much attention. I definitely see a trend in people getting their reviews from Youtube channels instead of big news outlets which is a good thing.
I'm sorry, how does GamerGate, the internet debate or discussion about corruption in gaming journalism have anything to do with some shitty developer who refuses to give refund?
Tumblr bogeymen have no real impact on US politics.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46624264]By being too afraid to touch on the subject in the first place.[/QUOTE] That seems like you are under-compensating?
[QUOTE=OfficerLamarr;46624261]I'm sorry, how does GamerGate, the internet debate or discussion about corruption in gaming journalism have anything to do with some shitty developer who refuses to give refund?[/QUOTE] Welcome to Facepunch, I hope you enjoy your stay.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46624248]Oh by all means go indepth because I am incredibly confused as to how you can "overcompensate" when it comes to preventing racism.[/QUOTE] By getting mad at comedians racist jokes(you know, good ones). Thats a good example of overcompensating, the people that think thats actual racism and get all up in arms and it can be damaging. It undermines actual racism, and if anything, making a joke of racism is helpful, makes people realize just how silly racism is, its ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46624263]Tumblr bogeymen have no real impact on US politics.[/QUOTE] The crazies at Jezebel have influence over who read their publication. The crazies over at Kotaku have influence over the people reading their articles and pushing a false narrative. That's millions of people already and that's just one publication. Of course there is a real impact on US politics.
[QUOTE=OfficerLamarr;46624261]I'm sorry, how does GamerGate, the internet debate or discussion about corruption in gaming journalism have anything to do with some shitty developer who refuses to give refund?[/QUOTE] I've answered this. These are people who use their sexuality, gender, race, political beliefs and ideals and think what they do is acceptable behavior due to "it's only Kickstarter" "I'm only an indie developer" "I answer to nobody!" GamerGate has been against that sort of thing from day one. I think that's enough of a connection to justify the discussion.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46624318]If you're too afraid to touch on a subject or use it as a plot device due to political correctness, then you're not helping. Imagine if to kill a mockingbird was written today, and to avoid racism they left out the entire plot device.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't happen. You're overstating pc by far. Hell the language in Django would have made a 40s klansman blush
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I'm really sad about this. When kickstarter and indiegogo and the like became popular, I was so happy. "Fuck yeah, now we can pay the creator up front, directly, with no middleman limiting the developer's vision!" Instead we got hordes of idiots, making bold claims, withouth any proof of concept, they viral the shit out of it, either through their own little circlejerk, or attach a buzzword to it, so people will throw money at it. And it's not just games, there was that motion-smart ring thing, that came out recently, and surprise, the damn thing doesn't work, gaming consoles without games, boardgames that go unfinished because the creator claims that the sun is talking to her and she stopped with the development all together. Kickstarter really needs to put some sort of wall up to deter the idiots, and offer some money back guarantee. Like if you want to start a project, you have to have a prototype, or something, and have the project lead bound by contract to actually own up to their claims. I really think crowdfunding is great, but fucktards like these ruin it for everyone. Also, stop discussing Gamergate here, it has a thread.
[QUOTE=Korova;46624311]The crazies at Jezebel have influence over who read their publication. The crazies over at Kotaku have influence over the people reading their articles and pushing a false narrative. That's millions of people already and that's just one publication. Of course there is a real impact on US politics.[/QUOTE] This post completely ignores the fact that I was clearly keeping it within the realm of Tumblr but I'll bite. Lets put aside the fact that both sites cater to a fairly niche audience, particularly Kotaku. How big even is the "video game voting bloc"? Lets put aside the fact that only a portion of the people who read Kotaku or Jezebel can even vote in the first place. Lets put aside the fact that voter turnouts by younger voters are the lowest of all age groups. Who the fuck are they going to vote for? What political party stands for the "SJW agenda", if there even is such a thing? In the United States currently your choices are voting for middle-right corporatists that lean left when it suits them financially or politically or voting for far-right corporatists who see even the idea of compromise with progressives as impossible. In the current political climate of the United States, there is no impact to be seen.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46624248]Oh by all means go indepth because I am incredibly confused as to how you can "overcompensate" when it comes to preventing racism.[/QUOTE] Extreme example of what i would deem as the pendulum swinging too far in the other direction:Enslaving people whos ancestors were slave owners in order to make up for it. Overcompensating indeed. More relevant example for sexism: Feminist Frequency says that misandry does not and cannot exist, men cannot be victims of sexism and all that. Comments about how the patriarchy is responsible for school shootings and all sorts of nonsense is "overcompensating". Maybe you have a better word than overcompensate than what im talking about? Very common example regarding racism: censoring material that *may* be deemed as offensive to a particular race "Just in case". Open discussion and dialogue is always more productive in combating racism than the offense squad. Not to hold up morgan freeman as some kind of expert on the subject but i found this quote very applicable: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMGfhXCpN2k[/url]
Uh, why did "Don't trust women with money duh" just appear in the title? I could've sworn it wasn't there before.
An NAACP affiliate praised a South Park episode which heavily featured the word "nigger" you are grasping at straws if you believe political correctness gets in the way of serious discourse in media. At worst, it prevents people from casual thoughtless allusions to race for a quick laugh
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46624449]An NAACP affiliate praised a South Park episode which heavily featured the word "nigger" you are grasping at straws if you believe political correctness gets in the way of serious discourse in media. At worst, it prevents people from casual thoughtless allusions to race for a quick laugh[/QUOTE] Political Correctness isnt some kind of universal on or off state, what do you think your anecdote proves? Because it certainly doesnt prove that PC can't get in the way of discussion.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46624318]If you're too afraid to touch on a subject or use it as a plot device due to political correctness, then you're not helping. Imagine if to kill a mockingbird was written today, and to avoid racism they left out the entire plot device.[/QUOTE] When the federal government passes laws impacting creative expression we can talk about the political ramifications of "overcompensating for racism". Until then I'm not going to entertain boring conversations of whatever we deem "political correctness gone to far" is this month. [QUOTE=Mattk50;46624422]Extreme example of what i would deem as the pendulum swinging too far in the other direction:Enslaving people whos ancestors were slave owners in order to make up for it. Overcompensating indeed.[/QUOTE] What. I thought we were talking about tangible political outcomes, not the nightmares of scared white folks. [QUOTE=Mattk50;46624422]Not to hold up morgan freeman as some kind of expert on the subject but i found this quote very applicable: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMGfhXCpN2k[/URL][/QUOTE] "Don't talk about racism" is a very easy view to take when you don't face the impacts of it on a daily, hourly basis. Morgan Freeman is a great actor and seems like a good person but I totally disagree with that statement. He also disagrees with it [video=youtube;BqhdPr_RvSQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqhdPr_RvSQ [/video] [editline]2nd December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Mattk50;46624477]Political Correctness isnt some kind of universal on or off state, what do you think your anecdote proves? Because it certainly doesnt prove that PC can't get in the way of discussion.[/QUOTE] Anecdote? The entire argument about "political correcness" is an endless series of anecdotes. Please show me the scientific method being used to quantify the level of political correctness we endure.
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This will have a massive impact on her future. I doubt she will land a job easily, after such an incident.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46624440]Uh, why did "Don't trust women with money duh" just appear in the title? I could've sworn it wasn't there before.[/QUOTE] I also don't remember it being there, but aren't only mods allowed to change titles?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46624318]If you're too afraid to touch on a subject or use it as a plot device due to political correctness, then you're not helping. Imagine if to kill a mockingbird was written today, and to avoid racism they left out the entire plot device.[/QUOTE] I don't view it as a ploy to limit gaming, it's just that the indie scene holds identity in high priority. I thought it was odd how Mattie Brice was one of the entrant judges for an important contest in the indie scene. I remembered that she made an RPG-maker game prior to that.
[QUOTE=blerb;46623612]It's still about ethics. Have you watched feminist frequency? Looked at SJW rhetoric on tumblr? Do you honestly believe that 3rd wave feminism is progressive? I suppose it is, if you consider reversing gender roles and reversing sexism and racism onto white men social progress. I don't have a problem with them publishing their critique, but when it's used in social academia, it makes me sick. It's about ethics on a core level. Anita Sarkeesian and John McIntosh, two highly influential feminists/SJWs, are rotten people, just as their views are. Their influence is being felt all over popular culture, and it's only going to keep spreading. Go ahead and deny this, it really makes no difference. The only thing here to blame for that is your objective ignorance.[/QUOTE] God, you sound so fucking paranoid. "OH NO THE FEMNAZIS ARE COMING NOOOOOO"
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46624478]When the federal government passes laws impacting creative expression we can talk about the political ramifications of "overcompensating for racism". Until then I'm not going to entertain boring conversations of whatever we deem "political correctness gone to far" is this month. What. I thought we were talking about tangible political outcomes, not the nightmares of scared white folks. [/QUOTE] "We" (I) were talking about what it means to overcompensate for racism, not "tangible political outcomes". Often it's helpful to take a stance to it's extreme if it has similar reasoning. Also, don't take things out of context, that line was offered as the most extreme example in a line of examples, or do you not find the others relevant enough to criticize? [QUOTE=Raidyr;46624478]"Don't talk about racism" is a very easy view to take when you don't face the impacts of it on a daily, hourly basis. Morgan Freeman is a great actor and seems like a good person but I totally disagree with that statement. He also disagrees with it[/QUOTE] It's not an unqualified "never talk about racism", if you look at the context you see it's about black history month as a form of compensation for past nonrepresentation in history. Like i said, right there in my post, which i guess you decided not to quote because you hate context or something, racism should should be addressed in open discussion and dialogue where relevant. And again, not to hold up everything morgan freeman has ever said or done. [QUOTE=Raidyr;46624478]Anecdote? The entire argument about "political correcness" is an endless series of anecdotes. Please show me the scientific method being used to quantify the level of political correctness we endure.[/QUOTE] No, because i don't respond to shitty straw man arguments. Again "Because it certainly doesnt prove that PC can't get in the way of discussion." which it doesn't. So, all you've done is prove that context is your mortal enemy and make a straw man. Not the most effective response.
[QUOTE=bunguer;46624585]I also don't remember it being there, but aren't only mods allowed to change titles?[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-iiam.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Mattk50;46624813]No, because i don't respond to shitty straw man arguments. Again "Because it certainly doesnt prove that PC can't get in the way of discussion." which it doesn't.[/QUOTE] you never proved it does though. so..
[QUOTE=Action Frank;46624631]God, you sound so fucking paranoid. "OH NO THE FEMNAZIS ARE COMING NOOOOOO"[/QUOTE] Okay. Like I said, I don't care if these people share their views with others. They can echo chamber all they damn well please. It's when they act as if their views hold any scientific merit that I draw the line. Maybe my rhetoric was a little poorly thought out previously, and I apologize for that. I'm not paranoid about 'feminazis taking over', I just can't stand the sight of such hypocrisy from people claiming such moral superiority, only to turn around and act blatantly sexist and racist toward white men. I just cannot comprehend how any logical person would believe those two things can go together. At the end of the day, I think blaming any of society's problems on a specific group of people without any statistics or anything like that is irrational. Especially with the gigantic lie that is GamerGate.
Not making the game is OK, kick starter exists for funding not buying, but donating the money is in violation of kick starter rules and not paying taxes is a big problem, sounds like she just didn't get shit together then health problems exaserbated it
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46624863]you never proved it does though. so..[/QUOTE] I never intended to. Im sure both of us can provide anecdotes about how PC has gotten in the way of discussion and how it hasn't other times. Your position was that it hasn't and cannot, an all or nothing statement which cannot be proved. That is very different from my claim that it has, sometimes. Your region, media, political alignment, and social circle will affect the significance of PC ideas and your perception on whether or not they affect "discourse" enough to care or not.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;46624813]"We" (I) were talking about what it means to overcompensate for racism, not "tangible political outcomes". [/QUOTE] Right, I apologize. I thought we were talking about shit that actually mattered. [QUOTE=Mattk50;46624813]It's not an unqualified "never talk about racism", if you look at the context you see it's about black history month as a form of compensation for past nonrepresentation in history.[/QUOTE] Did you even watch the video you linked? They moved past the black history month conversation. [QUOTE]Reporter: "How are we going to get rid of racism if we don't-" Freeman: "Stop talking about it. I'll stop calling you a white man, and I will ask you not to call me a black man" [/QUOTE] Again, the viewpoint of "I don't see race, I see people" doesn't hold up with reality. [QUOTE=Mattk50;46624813]Like i said, right there in my post, which i guess you decided not to quote because you hate context or something, racism should should be addressed in open discussion and dialogue where relevant[/QUOTE]. I didn't quote it because I was responding to Freeman, not you. That said though, why would you quote someone who disagrees with you? [QUOTE=Mattk50;46624813]No, because i don't respond to shitty straw man arguments. Again "Because it certainly doesnt prove that PC can't get in the way of discussion." which it doesn't. [/QUOTE] How is that a strawman argument? I'm asking for non-anecdotal proof of political correctness. [QUOTE=Mattk50;46624813]So, all you've done is prove that context is your mortal enemy and make a straw man. Not the most effective response.[/QUOTE] Likewise? [editline]2nd December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Mattk50;46624903] Your position was that it hasn't and cannot, an all or nothing statement which cannot be proved. [/QUOTE] You probably shouldn't put much stock on ideas that can't be practically defended.
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