• Police camera catches man driving with his hands behind his head
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[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;43443747] I basically equate this with jaywalking or spitting on the sidewalk on the overall scale of crime severity.[/QUOTE] When was the last time you jaywalked at 60mph covered in a metal casing that can weigh up to several tonnes?
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;43443747]He's still, uh, [I]looking at the road[/I], which is more than I can say for the (easily) 50% of people that are driving around and texting constantly. For fuck's sake, go after those people if you absolutely must use cameras to go after petty driving offenses. Or the people shaving and eating breakfast on the way to work. I basically equate this with jaywalking or spitting on the sidewalk on the overall scale of crime severity. If the cops didn't have cameras as a crutch they would never bother to do a thing about it, but the ubiquity of CCTV lets them go after literally anyone for literally the most inane justifications they can think up. Point a camera at anyone for a short period of time and you'll probably see them to something they can legally be arrested or cited for, case in point.[/QUOTE] This was actually even more tyrannical and Russian type style than CCTV; it was a mobile camera van [t]http://imgkk.com/i/a5qf.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;43443747]He's still, uh, [I]looking at the road[/I], which is more than I can say for the (easily) 50% of people that are driving around and texting constantly. For fuck's sake, go after those people if you absolutely must use cameras to go after petty driving offenses. Or the people shaving and eating breakfast on the way to work. I basically equate this with jaywalking or spitting on the sidewalk on the overall scale of crime severity. If the cops didn't have cameras as a crutch they would never bother to do a thing about it, but the ubiquity of CCTV lets them go after literally anyone for literally the most inane justifications they can think up. Point a camera at anyone for a short period of time and you'll probably see them to something they can legally be arrested or cited for, case in point.[/QUOTE] just a question to you before you continue to argue this rather stupid point of yours is the action he's doing legal? if so, why should the fact he was caught on camera (which is hard evidence...) change that? clearly, it is, from the resulting consequences. i'm sure an officer on the road would have noticed and MOST LIKELY still have pulled the man over. your argument feels like "oh yeah this guy was doing something wrong, but was caught on cameras that were meant to monitor people trying to stir up muh terror so i mean that's a different kinda wrong so this is invalid"
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;43443747]He's still, uh, [I]looking at the road[/I], which is more than I can say for the (easily) 50% of people that are driving around and texting constantly. For fuck's sake, go after those people if you absolutely must use cameras to go after petty driving offenses. Or the people shaving and eating breakfast on the way to work. I basically equate this with jaywalking or spitting on the sidewalk on the overall scale of crime severity. If the cops didn't have cameras as a crutch they would never bother to do a thing about it, but the ubiquity of CCTV lets them go after literally anyone for literally the most inane justifications they can think up. Point a camera at anyone for a short period of time and you'll probably see them to something they can legally be arrested or cited for, case in point.[/QUOTE] And we go after those using mobiles just as, if not more, aggressively. What's your point? In the event that he went over a bump and knocked the wheel or another car bumped him he would have VERY quickly lost control of the car and may not have been able to recovery control in the split second time he would need to prevent an accident - it was reckless and he deserves some form of consequence for risking not only his own safety but that of those around him. At the very very least the two things you mentioned had a reason - it's still reckless - but they at least had some form of genuine reason to be acting that way. This guy didn't. He had none, other than to either show off to other cars or get a nice smug feeling knowing he can do what he did.
[QUOTE=smurfy;43443817]This was actually even more tyrannical and Russian type style than CCTV; it was a mobile camera van [t]http://imgkk.com/i/a5qf.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Wow, they cleverly disguised that traffic camera as a police van. Fuck, no wonder he didn't notice!
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;43443747]If the cops didn't have cameras as a crutch they would never bother to do a thing about it, but the ubiquity of CCTV lets them go after literally anyone for literally the most inane justifications they can think up. Point a camera at anyone for a short period of time and you'll probably see them to something they can legally be arrested or cited for, case in point.[/QUOTE] camera surveillance is used as evidence in court so that police citations have reliable backing. it's to prevent false claims and illegal arrests, which you seem to suggest cameras are used for.
stupid police, you may think that i have my hands on the wheel, but the wheel is connected to nothing at all!
I was going to suggest that this isn't really that bad, even though it's incredibly stupid, but not that bad. But at 60 MPH... yeah this is bad.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;43443747]He's still, uh, [I]looking at the road[/I], which is more than I can say for the (easily) 50% of people that are driving around and texting constantly. For fuck's sake, go after those people if you absolutely must use cameras to go after petty driving offenses. Or the people shaving and eating breakfast on the way to work. I basically equate this with jaywalking or spitting on the sidewalk on the overall scale of crime severity. If the cops didn't have cameras as a crutch they would never bother to do a thing about it, but the ubiquity of CCTV lets them go after literally anyone for literally the most inane justifications they can think up. Point a camera at anyone for a short period of time and you'll probably see them to something they can legally be arrested or cited for, case in point.[/QUOTE] I think you need to look at the OP again and check out who you are defending. It wasn't a few seconds, it was more than half a minute. Do you have ANY idea how dangerous this is? If someone drove out in front of him, if he had hit a pothole, if he needed to veer off the road, he'd be dead and so would the people he hit [i]just so he could relax with his hands behind his head driving[/i]. And before you go "heh but he killed no one!" again, then that's not the point. It's STILL dangerous driving and he would do it again until that shitty idea went wrong. If you keep defending this guy, then I guess you have nothing wrong with doing this either. If this is true, then I hope you will never have a license / have it revoked. This is not how you drive a car.
Banned from driving? Jesus, here in the US he wouldve most likely gotten a warning. According to a few driving instructors, here you can drive any way youd like, as long as you have control of the car
[QUOTE=FordLord;43445848]Banned from driving? Jesus, here in the US he wouldve most likely gotten a warning. According to a few driving instructors, here you can drive any way youd like, as long as you have control of the car[/QUOTE] Driving in the US is heavily unenforced and has almost no barriers of restriction. And it's reflected obviously in the lack of reduction of the US fatal road toll compared to other OECD countries.
[QUOTE=FordLord;43445848]Banned from driving? Jesus, here in the US he wouldve most likely gotten a warning. According to a few driving instructors, here you can drive any way youd like, as long as you have control of the car[/QUOTE] That also makes at least some sense. However having your hands off the wheel voids this - you don't have proper control of the car. I really hope some people in this thread realizes this.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;43443747]He's still, uh, [I]looking at the road[/I], which is more than I can say for the (easily) 50% of people that are driving around and texting constantly. For fuck's sake, go after those people if you absolutely must use cameras to go after petty driving offenses. Or the people shaving and eating breakfast on the way to work. I basically equate this with jaywalking or spitting on the sidewalk on the overall scale of crime severity. If the cops didn't have cameras as a crutch they would never bother to do a thing about it, but the ubiquity of CCTV lets them go after literally anyone for literally the most inane justifications they can think up. Point a camera at anyone for a short period of time and you'll probably see them to something they can legally be arrested or cited for, case in point.[/QUOTE] Have you ever actually driven a car? Because it takes [B]nothing[/B] to cause an accident.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;43443620]Really? Who did this guy kill? What family car full of little children did he turn into a Hollywood fireball?[/QUOTE] Sorry, but the law doesn't operate on fuckin' Captain Kirk "WELL IT COULD'VE GONE WRONG BUT IT DIDN'T SO YOU'RE OFF THE HOOK [I]THIS TIME![/I]" rules [QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;43443620][I]WHO GIVES A FUCK!?[/I] Why the hell is someone even being paid to look at a screen and go "Oh, oh, shit, that dude doesn't have his hands on the wheel, hit the code red and take away his license!"? Maybe we should just start mailing $1,000 citations to everyone who gets caught on CCTV jaywalking, or loitering in one area for too long, or using curse words in public.[/quote] I'd certainly give a fuck if someone was driving near me and was not driving with their hands. Also, this isn't really on the level of jaywalking, or loitering, or swearing or whatever. In case you're overly comfortable with cars, remember a little something; Cars are gigantic metal machines that weigh a fucking ton and can kill several people in an instant. No matter how good a driver you think you are, a car is not the place to just fuckin' ~kick back and relax~ like that, especially not on a road with other people on it. [QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;43443620]Does it seriously not bother a single other person that THIS is what Britain's CCTV system is being used for? Not catching terrorists, just extorting fines from people who take their hands off the wheel? Stop the fucking presses, this guy is the next Hitler.[/quote] Actually, no it doesn't bother me, and all the CCTV shit I hear about in Britain I find weird and creepy. It being used to catch an asshole who was recklessly endangering other people is far from the worst use of surveillance.
"[i]Oh look at me, I'm steering with my knees yet I have complete control of the car.[/i]" Yes you do. Until someone in front of you brakes unexpectedly, or someone does something else you did not anticipate. Then the shit hits the fan.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;43442070]This is insane, is the UK really at the point of using their oppressive surveillance state to go after people for meaningless, minor shit like this?[/QUOTE] oh here we go guys this thread is going to a back and fourth surveillance discussion
[QUOTE=DogGunn;43445950]Driving in the US is heavily unenforced and has almost no barriers of restriction. And it's reflected obviously in the lack of reduction of the US fatal road toll compared to other OECD countries.[/QUOTE] I'm sure you would know, being from Australia and all.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;43442070]This is insane, is the UK really at the point of using their oppressive surveillance state to go after people for meaningless, minor shit like this?[/QUOTE]Oh boo fucking hoo, some idiot driving a multi-ton gasoline-filled block of steel and polymers unsafely on a public road got punished. You want to drive like a twat, find yourself a nice big salt lake bed or something.
the comments on the video are great [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/IWCANUK.png[/IMG] #UKIP
[QUOTE=Turnips5;43451446]the comments on the video are great [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/IWCANUK.png[/IMG] #UKIP[/QUOTE] Who needs road safety?
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