• Gentleman, you will always remember this as the day that Australia almost caught Captain Jack Sparro
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[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47810006]A drop in the bucket to him. That being said it's a realistic fine. Australia doesn't [i]have[/i] rabies. At all. No rabies. Australia takes a very dim view to new species being introduced and animals being brought without proper screening. As fierce as their wildlife is, it wouldn't take much to destabilize their ecosystem. None of the animals that live there have developed any sort of countermeasures for rabies, and they've had a few run ins with invasive species. Australia's ecosystem is fairly fragile. [editline]26th May 2015[/editline] Terriers? No. But rabies? Yes. If you read the first news article on this you'd remember they're pissed because he didn't declare them when he came, and didn't allow them to be inspected by a vet. Honestly why he didn't is curious. Rabies could very well damage or destabilize Australia's ecosystem[/QUOTE] This is the bit that people are forgetting. Without a vet inspection or quarantine period, it is entirely unknown to the Australian authorities if those Terriers are carrying diseases such as rabies (or a whole host of other canine-transmitted diseases) which they don't want in the country. Combine that with his evasiveness regarding the quarantine and the delicacy of Australia's ecosystem... and yeah, this isn't an over-reaction.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;47810136]It's ridiculous to try and put someone away for a decade for something like this. Just ban him from Australia or something. This is stupid.[/QUOTE] Are you serious? Do you not understand how laws work? You do not get to violate a country's laws and get off with exile. That's not how things work. You break the law you take the punishment that the country's lawbooks say.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;47810136]It's ridiculous to try and put someone away for a decade for something like this. Just ban him from Australia or something. This is stupid.[/QUOTE] He broke the law, the law applies the same for everyone. Quarantine measures in Australia exist for a reason, doesn't matter who you are and it doesn't matter what you bring with you. If you break these laws because you think you're above them (ie if you smuggle your dogs into the country because you can't be asked to declare them and sit through the usual procedure) then the government has every right to punish you for it. As far as I'm concerned some asshole broke the law and he got away with it, I don't care how famous he is.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;47810136]It's ridiculous to try and put someone away for a decade for something like this. Just ban him from Australia or something. This is stupid.[/QUOTE] Lets be honest, he's probably not going to get 10 years, that's just the maximum sentence for this sort of thing. He'll most likely just be slapped with a fine
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;47809328]I don't think Johnny Depp with have any problem paying it back. It's a pretty serious offense since it risks bringing disease and invasive species into the country, it's not exactly an offense to scoff at.[/QUOTE] yeah but what if it wasn't somebody famous, they'd be in no rush to accommodate you. 340,000 would ruin most people forever.
[QUOTE=Fangz;47809290]I wonder how this is going to affect the production of the new Pirates of the Caribbean movie. Disney must be pissed.[/QUOTE] This isn't the first time production has been halted because of Depp. A lot of people are going to be unpaid for a weeks until he returns again.
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;47810639]yeah but what if it wasn't somebody famous, they'd be in no rush to accommodate you. 340,000 would ruin most people forever.[/QUOTE] Well then don't try to smuggle dogs into countries then I mean the fine would most likely be adjusted based on the persons income any way
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;47810639]yeah but what if it wasn't somebody famous, they'd be in no rush to accommodate you. 340,000 would ruin most people forever.[/QUOTE] Exactly, it's unfair for others because £340,000 to celebrities is like how much they'd make in a month. Also, celebrities are often considered role models and this would influence some people to do the same crime.
[QUOTE=Hugo Strange;47810684]Exactly, it's unfair for others because £340,000 to celebrities is like how much they'd make in a month. Also, celebrities are often considered role models and this would influence some people to do the same crime.[/QUOTE] £340,000 is the MAXIMUM fine
He's just gonna get hit with a small fine. People think that the maximum sentence for a crime is the one you will automatically get which is probably reserved for dedicated smugglers, The media is blowing things out of proportion. He probably really just left to go to his daughters birthday and avoid the press, there isn't any of this "cloak and dagger shit". Remember Jeremy Clarkson for a second and how tabloids love to make up stories.
I still don't know whether this was accidental or intentional.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;47810654]Well then don't try to smuggle dogs into countries then I mean the fine would most likely be adjusted based on the persons income any way[/QUOTE] Easily it could have been habitual to bring the dogs with him everywhere. Thus it was a lapse to declare them.(Was it on a checklist somewhere? If not, it is unlikely to have been noted.) Also considering they were found out when he brought them to a public establishment, it wasn't like he was even hiding he had them. As for not wanting to bring them to a vet, why would he if they even had the possibility of being put down over this? [QUOTE=Hugo Strange;47810746]I still don't know whether this was accidental or intentional.[/QUOTE] Likely accidental as he in no way was hiding the dogs, considering he brought them to a public establishment for grooming. As for the dogs not being found at the airport, what is to say they didn't have a little doghouse like area on the plane that the officer didn't check?
[QUOTE=deadoon;47810791]Easily it could have been habitual to bring the dogs with him everywhere. Thus it was a lapse to declare them.(Was it on a checklist somewhere? If not, it is unlikely to have been noted.) Also considering they were found out when he brought them to a public establishment, it wasn't like he was even hiding he had them. As for not wanting to bring them to a vet, why would he if they even had the possibility of being put down over this? [/QUOTE] I don't think the courts would give a shit about any of those excuses, he's a grown adult and likely knows the law (particularly if he made sure to hide them in a way that he could smuggle them into the country). And if he's worried they would be put down he shouldn't have taken them with him. There's literally no defending his actions here
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47810206]He broke the law, the law applies the same for everyone. Quarantine measures in Australia exist for a reason, doesn't matter who you are and it doesn't matter what you bring with you. If you break these laws because you think you're above them (ie if you smuggle your dogs into the country because you can't be asked to declare them and sit through the usual procedure) then the government has every right to punish you for it. As far as I'm concerned some asshole broke the law and he got away with it, I don't care how famous he is.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, I just feel that the punishment is way too extreme. If he was smuggling in hundreds of exotic animals and selling them on the black market, then I could understand a 10 year sentence. I know that is the maximum punishment, but still.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47809312]I don't care how famous you are, if you're willing to break the law and potentially the ecosystem of a country for a little comfort then you deserve to go to jail.[/QUOTE] Is jail really necessary? Banning him from the country has the same effect as jail would have, but does not entail being an absolute bastard.
[QUOTE=Megadave;47809516]I don't give a shit if it could cause Australia to fall into the ocean, 10 years for 2 fucking dogs is bullshit.[/QUOTE] And this is why you're not an Australian lawmaker. [editline]27th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Noss;47810898]Is jail really necessary? Banning him from the country has the same effect as jail would have, but does not entail being an absolute bastard.[/QUOTE] No it's not, it's just a possibility. Jesus Christ you guys are acting like Australia is out to lop his head off for bringing his dogs undeclared into the country. They're just enforcing a law that is on their books, a law that was created with a good justification.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;47810880]I don't think the courts would give a shit about any of those excuses, he's a grown adult and likely knows the law (particularly if he made sure to hide them in a way that he could smuggle them into the country). And if he's worried they would be put down he shouldn't have taken them with him. There's literally no defending his actions here[/QUOTE] What is to say he was hiding them? It could easily have been a case of not noticing a place where they were on the plane(it is a private jet, so probably a unique interior thus it would be difficult to see everything without being given a blueprint). There is no proof that he hid them, nor the opposite it seems. The article even states that Australia's biosecurity is not that well known outside, and this incident has raised awareness of it. Honestly, would you bring your dogs to a vet when they are healthy under threat of them being euthanized without your consent?
[QUOTE=deadoon;47810954]What is to say he was hiding them? It could easily have been a case of not noticing a place where they were on the plane(it is a private jet, so probably a unique interior thus it would be difficult to see everything without being given a blueprint). There is no proof that he hid them, nor the opposite it seems. The article even states that Australia's biosecurity is not that well known outside, and this incident has raised awareness of it.[/QUOTE] Yes I'm sure his pets just got on the plane all by themselves
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;47810964]Yes I'm sure his pets just got on the plane all by themselves[/QUOTE] Please read what I said, he could have brought them with him, yet not hidden them within his viewpoint.
[QUOTE=deadoon;47810954]What is to say he was hiding them? It could easily have been a case of not noticing a place where they were on the plane(it is a private jet, so probably a unique interior thus it would be difficult to see everything without being given a blueprint). There is no proof that he hid them, nor the opposite it seems. The article even states that Australia's biosecurity is not that well known outside, and this incident has raised awareness of it. Honestly, would you bring your dogs to a vet when they are healthy under threat of them being euthanized without your consent?[/QUOTE] Somehow I doubt that in Johnny Depp's entourage of agents, contacts and lawyers not a single one of them raised awareness of the fact that smuggling undeclared animals into the country was illegal.
A fine would benefit them more than throwing him in jail. He'll prob get out of this somehow.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47810981]Somehow I doubt that in Johnny Depp's entourage of agents, contacts and lawyers not a single one of them raised awareness of the fact that smuggling undeclared animals into the country was illegal.[/QUOTE] Somehow I doubt they were aware, if it was a private jet I'm sure he just drove out to it with his pets and loaded them on then took off. Why would you tell your lawyers and agents you're bringing your pets?
On another note How the fuck is this man [t]http://blogs-images.forbes.com/hughmcintyre/files/2015/02/Johnny-Depp.jpg[/t] almost 52 years old I thought he was like 35-40 at most!
[QUOTE=deadoon;47810968]Please read what I said, he could have brought them with him, yet not hidden them within his viewpoint.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter, you're supposed to declare animals before you bring them into a country. If he didn't then that's his fault. It's like saying you didn't know you weren't allowed to try and smuggle knives into another country when you get caught with one at the airport.
He'll probably get away with a fine, and even if Australia wanted to send him to prison I doubt the U.S would turn him in.
In these situations, why does everyone just [I]assume[/I] he'll get the absolute maximum. Yes, 10 years is ridiculous for this, which is why [I][B]he'd never fucking get that[/B][/I]. The maximum sentence is rarely given out, most years it's given out at most once or twice. It's there for the worst of the worst, most heinous of offenses - and every damn magistrate or judge is well fucking aware of that. There is no actual risk of 10 years, or probably the full damn fine either.
[QUOTE=shauntp;47811072]In these situations, why does everyone just [I]assume[/I] he'll get the absolute maximum. Yes, 10 years is ridiculous for this, which is why [I][B]he'd never fucking get that[/B][/I]. The maximum sentence is rarely given out, most years it's given out at most once or twice. It's there for the worst of the worst, most heinous of offenses - and every damn magistrate or judge is well fucking aware of that. There is no actual risk of 10 years, or probably the full damn fine either.[/QUOTE] Sensationalism yay! He'll probably get a fine at best. The animals weren't much of a danger nor did he intend to smuggle them into the country to sell or some shit.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;47809301]Not saying he should, but 340.000 dollars?[/QUOTE] Its called punitive damages baby The harm made against someone (in this this case the fine stated in the law) multiplied by a "How lucky would you have to be in order to avoid being discovered" factor. [editline]27th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Coyoteze;47811008]On another note How the fuck is this man [t]http://blogs-images.forbes.com/hughmcintyre/files/2015/02/Johnny-Depp.jpg[/t] almost 52 years old I thought he was like 35-40 at most![/QUOTE] OH my god...I just noticed...isn't his left eye like kinda off-set? Shit, I can't stop looking at it. What has been seen cannot be unseen.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;47811073]You fill a declaration form that literally asks if you have pets/animals[/QUOTE] Looking into the requirements of bringing a dog to Australia actually is kind of annoying(the gov sites have broken links). Not to mention that the checklist for actually importing it is kind of broken and doesn't actually tell you what you need to do for private aircraft. Also 180 day waiting period after 1 part of the procedure of bringing in a dog and a 10 say mandatory waiting period at a quarantine facility after arrival.
[QUOTE=Govna;47809725]That's exactly what they're doing. Two Yorkshire terriers are not a threat to Australia's ecosystem. They're not sick with anything, and they're not an invasive species. They're terriers... terriers have existed for centuries now, including yes even in Australia since the British showed up. And this is not something which warrants a 10-year prison sentence and a $340,000 fine. Holy fuck. I get that there are some people and some situations out there where this kind of a reaction is warranted, but this isn't one of them. It's not even close to being one of them.[/QUOTE] theres a reason they are quarantined. yes terriers have the potential to fuck up the whole ecosystem. if they are carrying parasites or diseases that they are immune too, that native australian species aren't, rip.
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