• NHS prescriptions of ADHD drugs jump 50% in six years
    51 replies, posted
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;41829612]Every time I take adderall, I feel like absolute shit mentally and physically. That's just taking that stuff for one day, I couldn't imagine taking it for years and trying to come off it.[/QUOTE] I'm definitely against long term medication. In the short term, coupled with outside help and self-motivation seems to be the best for the long term.
[QUOTE=deadoon;41827821] if they cannot pay attention enough to keep up with the rest of the class without meds, they really need the meds.[/QUOTE] This is a huge part of the problem. We shouldn't be stuffing kids full of pills, we should be raising them right and giving them an education that works. The underlying problem is twofold: Parents are lazy, and schools only ask kids to regurgitate and recite facts. Fixing the problem does not in any way involve stuffing kids full of pills, that only makes the first half of the problem [i]worse[/i]. [quote] as if they are removed from class they may not learn the material properly. [/quote] They're not going to learn it anyway so why's it matter? The schools only care if the kids remember X until they're tested on X for the last time. Once they take that test the school stops caring about X, kids forget X, and that's that. It's part of how the school system is fucked, again they only ask kids to regurgitate and recite facts instead of asking them to learn anything. [editline]13th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=blehblehbleh;41829425]No, "fuck you" as in "fuck you for making a sweeping statement demonizing the parents of children with ADHD and branding them all as lazy". You called out every parent of a child diagonosed with ADHD with that post, I have every right to be pissed off at you. When you make generalizing statements you should -at the very least be prepared to stand behind them.[/QUOTE] He has a point. In a few cases, like your brother's, the pills are a genuine help. But the amount of genuine cases is absolutely dwarfed by the amount of "My kid's bored please give him pills so I don't have to parent him" prescriptions. You can't ignore the problem of overprescription of psychoactive medications in the West. It may have worked for your bro, and that's good, but you cant just hide behind him and go "LALALA THESE PILLS ALWAYS WORK LOOOK HERE".
mmmm dexies
Wouldn't be surprised if half of those or more go into campus drug trades If I recall ADHD prescription drugs are one of the most popular illicit drugs you vlcan buy there, comes as no surprise of course.
[QUOTE=TestECull;41830083]He has a point. In a few cases, like your brother's, the pills are a genuine help. But the amount of genuine cases is absolutely dwarfed by the amount of "My kid's bored please give him pills so I don't have to parent him" prescriptions.[/QUOTE] source on this please
ADHD sucks, luckily there are ways to live with it but it's not exactly the easiest thing to live with nor do most people understand. Trying to explain the whole happiness-depression cycle we get to people is awkward too.
This thread is full of utter bullshit. ADHD is a real thing. I know because I have it. It literally sounds like we're talking about alternative cures for cancer in here right now.
Or you know It's for people who like actually have ADHD Just a thought.
The problem isn't that ADHD doesn't exist, it's that it's a very newly invented disorder with vague diagnosis guidelines, it's WAY over prescribed and over medicated, and it's probably the only disorder that puts narcotics into children's bodies. I was on concerta from 6th-9th, got off and now 18 I decided to get put on adderall. I have a very good relationship with my psychiatrist and we're just trying to make sure I'm ready for the course load I'm going to face in uni in a few months.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;41826720]Is it any surprise? Both awareness of ADHD and pressure to succeed in school has increased dramatically over the years.[/QUOTE] But how many have ADHD and how many are just little shits that need to be disciplined. I'm not talking caning, it's just that children don't seem to be told off these days. No one of my generation would talk back to a police officer if we'd been caught up to no good for example.
[QUOTE=Weirdness;41829211]The only reason I even passed my last year of school was going on Ritalin to manage my ADD. My mum tried everything else in the book to help me overcome it. Fish pills, 1v1 teaching (the school didn't give a fuck about this), extended parenting from my mum to help with my homework. I even started listening to music in class because it stopped my brain from shooting out thoughts every half second and distracting me and gave me enough time to focus on my work, but only one teacher let me do that (social studies). My mum really didn't want me to go on Ritalin because she knew all of the bad side effects, but I didn't want to fail my last year of school even when I was trying so goddamn hard to pay attention and get shit done. And I didn't want my mums efforts to be for nothing after sending me to school and trying so hard on a single mothers budget. The only bad thing is that the medication exasperated my depression and I built up a resistance to it really quickly. But I fucking aced maths and english, and passed my final year. And in the long run I'm glad for it.[/QUOTE] Fish oil/cod liver oil is bullshit [URL]http://www.badscience.net/category/fish-oil/[/URL] That sounds pretty awesome the way you coped with it with your mum like that aside from the fish oil though. Seems more like to me that people with ADHD need to be taught a different way and be free to do their own thing rather than forced to do the same thing as everyone else by being pushed onto amphetamine salts and the like. Not everyone learns the same way but a lot of the rigid curriculum does not allow for deviation to the point that allows adaptation to a pupils strengths depending on their personal mental functioning.
[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;41833229]source on this please[/QUOTE] Just look around.
[QUOTE=TestECull;41839456]Just look around.[/QUOTE] I don't think you understand how arguments and debates work. When you make a claim you have to expect that you'll be asked to substantiate it. If you make me go look for a source for a claim, how should I know which one to pick? Which one most accurately represents your views? The reason I ask you to provide me with one is so I can potentially point out flaws in your views. I can't do this if I'm not sure if the source represents your views properly.
[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;41839879]I don't think you understand how arguments and debates work. When you make a claim you have to expect that you'll be asked to substantiate it. If you make me go look for a source for a claim, how should I know which one to pick? Which one most accurately represents your views? The reason I ask you to provide me with one is so I can potentially point out flaws in your views. I can't do this if I'm not sure if the source represents your views properly.[/QUOTE] Then post some evidence that backs up your anecdote. Post some evidence that there [i]isn't[/i] a rampant overprescription problem in the West. Also, I don't really give a shit if you can point out flaws in my views because I'm not trying to argue or debate anything. All I'm doing is pointing out how stupid it is to hide behind your solitary anecdote, your brother, and say that all ADD/ADHD prescriptions are good while ignoring the blatantly obvious to anyone who spends five minutes around teenagers overprescription problems in the west. If you really want to have a battle of anecdotes I can tell you how my elementary school tried to shove that shit down my throat despite me not having ADD/ADHD at all...
[QUOTE=TestECull;41840089]Then post some evidence that backs up your anecdote. Post some evidence that there [i]isn't[/i] a rampant overprescription problem in the West.[/QUOTE] Urgh, that's not how debating works. You cannot prove a negative.
[QUOTE=TestECull;41840089]Then post some evidence that backs up your anecdote. Post some evidence that there [i]isn't[/i] a rampant overprescription problem in the West. Also, I don't really give a shit if you can point out flaws in my views because I'm not trying to argue or debate anything. All I'm doing is pointing out how stupid it is to hide behind your solitary anecdote, your brother, and say that all ADD/ADHD prescriptions are good while ignoring the blatantly obvious to anyone who spends five minutes around teenagers overprescription problems in the west. If you really want to have a battle of anecdotes I can tell you how my elementary school tried to shove that shit down my throat despite me not having ADD/ADHD at all...[/QUOTE] A single anecdote is enough to disprove a sweeping statement (part of the reason why sweeping statements are so fucking dumb and almost always wrong). A single anecdote is however not enough to prove a more general statement. Here, I'll try to explain it to you: Person A: Everyone prefers Coke to Pepsi. Person B: Your statement is false because I prefer Pepsi to Coke. In the above exchange, Person B proves Person A's sweeping statement wrong with an anecdote. Person A: Everyone prefers Coke to Pepsi because I prefer Coke to Pepsi. Here, we can see that why an anecdote can be used to disprove a sweeping or generalizing statement, but can't be used to prove one. Hopefully you understand better now. And I don't recall ever saying all ADHD prescriptions were good.
[QUOTE=deadoon;41826875]Some people need those pills to be able to stay calm and not be hyperactive. I was completely unable to pay total attention to class due to lack of consistent activity causing additional tracks in my brain to start moving. It is literally, if something does not move at an acceptable pace to you, it becomes increasingly difficult to prevent self derailment. I didn't need 10 minutes to do the "warm up" problems in math. I needed 2, what do I do the last 8 minutes? That is where the problem lies.[/QUOTE] see i think the problem is, if a kid does this and gets the problem right they are "gifted" if they get it wrong then they have ADHD. when i was in 5th grade i was like that, in 6th grade i switched schools and it turned out my new class was like 2 years behind me in math so i didn't do shit that year and still got straight A's in math, reading, social studies, and shit like that while i sat there reading 500 page novels durring class instead of paying attention
It is for sure the junk food with additives, artificial colors and flavors and preservatives. There are so many people with ADHD now because of processed, sugary and chemical filled food. After I learned this, I changed my boy’s (8yrs old) diet and got him a game ([url]www.beatadhd.net[/url]) that really helped. Now, when I cave in to his cravings for junk food, I can see the way it affects his mind and ability to concentrate. Mostly, when he eats junk food he get irritable and misbehaves. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("bot" - Orkel))[/highlight]
ADHD is in a weird place, if it were discovered in say the early 20th century, it would've been seen as a benefit but now because of our mainly sedentary life style its become a determent. There's also the fact that ADHD like a lot of other mental disorders, feed into eachother. people with ADHD also tend to have depression and anxiety issues, so its really hard to tell if you actually have ADHD or the two of them combining together to make it look like it. There's also the fact that ADHD for boys and girls is different. The ditzy day dreamer female that you know is more likely to have ADHD than the jumpy girl. Vice versa for boys. I've been diagnosed since I was the first grade. I've actually done research and after spending most my life medicated, I took a college year off of the medication. It was a weird experience, I was more alert and I could think faster on the fly, but a lot of my quick decisions were a 50/50 toss of being right or wrong and if I was inside an exam I had panick attacks. Last year I took my medication and I lost the alertness, but my decisions were more thought out and my panick attacks went away. Needless to say, ADHD is weird. Its not a disorder like Anxiety or Depression, its something just fell out of fancy. We don't need those quick thinking jumpy people who are half right and wrong, those are perfect hunters and fighters, we don't need them as much now. Edited: snip And this kind of bullshit annoys me, you don't add anything to the conversation and you make it sound like I have bigger problems than I do. Blaming myself for something I've had since I was a child is a dick move. We over diagnose it yes, but its also recieved more attention. Notice how as we've learned more and more about autism, the number of people who are diagnosed with have increased, its because we understand it better and can diagnose it better. These aren't excuses to act out, these are flaws. Plain and simple. Edited: Also, Sources. Because of College, I've actually read these. [url]http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1998-06605-000[/url] [url]http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/bul/121/1/65/[/url] [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2859678/[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attenti...ivity_disorder[/url] [url]http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topic...hd/index.shtml[/url] [url]http://www.chadd.org/Understanding-ADHD.aspx[/url] Edited: Oh, and if any of you actually refute its existence without proof. I will wreck your anus.
God reading all your comments makes me just rage so hard from how wrong they are.
Adhd medication can be great, but at least for me perseverance and hard work was more effective. I took Ritalin and after Vyvnase for a few years and recently have gotten off of them. I hated the "meth" side effects like being amped, not hungry, dry mouth.
how do you know this means overdiagnosis and not that the quality of diagnosis has improved? can we think before posting THIS IS BAD please or have I got here too late
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.