Mother Charged after Shooting into the Air to Scare off group Attacking her Daughter
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[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;42625140]I know you guys don't believe in protecting the lives of your families and yourselves over in the UK, but if I had a daughter and a man punched her in the face and he had [b]multiple other fucking men backing him up[/b]; One of the fuckers is going to be on the ground screaming with a .40 S&W slug in his leg. I don't have the strength or the health to fight off multiple attackers and I CERTAINLY don't have time to wait for a cop (literally just another man with a gun) to come and save me.
The beautiful thing is the mother would be 100% in the right if she had just shot one of them here in New Mexico. :v:[/QUOTE]
You are such a colossal shitposter. Shooting people is not the solution to your problems.
[editline]24th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42625259]better a scumbag who is assault a teenage girl die than a random bystander potentially die by a falling bullet. [/QUOTE]
How about nobody dies? That sound good? Because that's the solution people should be aiming for rather than just defaulting to "shoot the fuckers".
[QUOTE=Boaraes;42624903]Uh, wouldn't the exact opposite of those two be the result BECAUSE she has a gun?
How does owning a gun raise the risk of someone robbing you? If anything, it should ward them off. Secondly, I wouldn't doubt a mother would shoot someone who is threatening the life of her child.[/QUOTE]
Guns are money. You can sell a gun easily, it's as good as cash. So now they know she's either hiding that 'cash' in her house or carrying it.
Guns don't scare people, the thought of being shot with a gun scares people. This woman's own story is that her daughter was punched in the face by a guy and she walked away! Then she fired a shot...into the air. That undercuts any potential intimidation factor she might have had from the gun. She has proven she won't shoot someone. Until she pops a cap in someone's ass no one is going to believe she's a killer, so no one is going to be scared of her.
When the shit hits you just do you don't really have time to think about what would be the best option. Sucks she was charged, but its better than killing someone.
[editline]23rd October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;42625369]How about nobody dies? That sound good? Because that's the solution people should be aiming for rather than just defaulting to "shoot the fuckers".[/QUOTE]
I wish the world was all honey bees and rainbows but it isn't.
[QUOTE=Sharkcheater;42625694]When the shit hits you just do you don't really have time to think about what would be the best option. Sucks she was charged, but its better than killing someone.
[editline]23rd October 2013[/editline]
I wish the world was all honey bees and rainbows but it isn't.[/QUOTE]
I'd be a lot more concerned if the world was all honey bees, those things are vicious if you get on the wrong side of them
[QUOTE=hexpunK;42625369]You are such a colossal shitposter. Shooting people is not the solution to your problems. [/quote]
Lol...right.
I guess being in touch with reality and realizing the evil in some people makes me a shit poster.
Why don't you grow a pair and stop defending a group of men fucking around with 2 women.
Like holy fuck.
Some people will just go around like a headless chicken with no nuts demonizing the first person they see that is willing to not coddle every shitbag on the streets.
Why don't you just call the cops on me for "shitposting" like you would with every other obstacle that comes your way.
[editline]23rd October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=NoDachi;42625219]lmao
get a grip[/QUOTE]
I've seen enough borderline retarded logic on this forum, coming from explicitly across the pond to have the grip I need.
That been said, I really can't wait to come visit the UK...I promise I won't be an ignorant American tourist while I'm in your country...God knows you guys have enough of that. =)
Edit:
All of this been said, the mother probably could have easily diffused the situation by simply brandishing her weapon.
[editline]23rd October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;42625221]If a cop is just a man with a gun then the president is just a man in a suit[/QUOTE]
Um...yeah. He literally is, buddy.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;42625369]
How about nobody dies? That sound good? Because that's the solution people should be aiming for rather than just defaulting to "shoot the fuckers".[/QUOTE]
Fairytale land must be pretty fun this time of year, huh?
[QUOTE=Juniez;42624257]it would have to be shot perfectly vertically in order to be non-lethal[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;wB-UgzPwgi8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB-UgzPwgi8[/video]
[QUOTE=Kigen;42624710]I bet most of that is guns fired at an angle. Not saying that just firing into the air is safe. Firing anywhere other than a target is a bad idea. But thinking that firing it straight up would kill you is false.
If you firing it at an angle it can kill someone as it'd be much like an arrow. But straight up the bullet would loose all momentum then fall back to earth at the terminal velocity for its weight, which would be fairly slow as compared to when it fired. Its simple physics. The small projectile doesn't have enough weight. A bullet kills by speed, once its lost all that speed its mostly harmless.
People really give god-like attributes to guns when they aren't that complex.[/QUOTE]Firing a 9x19mm straight into the air will give it an altitude of about 4,000 feet, stay in the air for about 37 seconds, and come back to the earth at 146.67 ft/s. This gives it an energy of about 47.4 ft-lbf, which is pretty fucking low for a bullet. [i]However,[/i] it takes anywhere from 16 to 138 ft-lbf to fracture a human skull. Even if fired directly vertical, a 9mm Parabellum can fuck a person up when it comes down. This gets worse as the cartridge gets bigger, a .50BMG coming down will most certainly be lethal due to it's weight.
[editline]23rd October 2013[/editline]
Mind you, I'm using the data from a box of 9x19mm sitting here beside me. These numbers can fluctuate a little bit depending on the round, time of day, temperature, (air resistance is funny that way) and probably some magic.
[QUOTE=Aman;42623895]Could have just shot the ground. Or not shot at all and just brandished it at them.[/QUOTE]
You obviously have no idea how bullets work.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;42627175]This is why stun guns are better, you can legally shoot a threat without killing them or harming them permanently AND watch them literally shit themselves.[/QUOTE]
To be fair a single stun gun probably won't be that effective against a pack of angry boys. But as a general thing I agree with you. Stun guns are a much better option.
[QUOTE=jiggu;42628076]To be fair a single stun gun probably won't be that effective against a pack of angry boys. But as a general thing I agree with you. Stun guns are a much better option.[/QUOTE]
You know that civilian 'stun guns' aren't Tasers, right? Meaning, they don't actually shoot anything, they're reliant on physical contact and would require this woman to take on the whole group hand-to-hand to be effective?
If someone's threatening you or your family you can draw a firearm. If you have reasonable suspicion that you are in immediate danger you can legally shoot the assailant. If not, don't shoot. No warning shot, no wounding shot. The law is not complicated, firearms are only to be used in a self-defense scenario to immediately end a threat, not to coerce, maim, or intimidate.
[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;42626756]Lol...right.
I guess being in touch with reality and realizing the evil in some people makes me a shit poster.
Why don't you grow a pair and stop defending a group of men fucking around with 2 women.
Like holy fuck.
Some people will just go around like a headless chicken with no nuts demonizing the first person they see that is willing to not coddle every shitbag on the streets.
Why don't you just call the cops on me for "shitposting" like you would with every other obstacle that comes your way.
[editline]23rd October 2013[/editline]
I've seen enough borderline retarded logic on this forum, coming from explicitly across the pond to have the grip I need.
That been said, I really can't wait to come visit the UK...I promise I won't be an ignorant American tourist while I'm in your country...God knows you guys have enough of that. =)
Edit:
All of this been said, the mother probably could have easily diffused the situation by simply brandishing her weapon.
[editline]23rd October 2013[/editline]
Um...yeah. He literally is, buddy.[/QUOTE]
You ARE a shitposter.
I just came back from Manchester, and I am 100% sure it's a LOT more safer than the states. We don't need guns here, cuz most European citizens are better raised then over there.
A neat trick to use when you get attacked at night by a random person, take your cellphone and call the police and start DESCRIBING the person (what he is wearing, his facial structure) so far I did it twice when I was in shady neighborhoods in Brussels and both times they ran faster than their stupid feet could carry them. And you don't even need to get a person straight away answering your call.
''Hello Police, I am at x street and I am being assaulted by a middleaged person with x, y and z etc..'' loud and clear so they can hear it.
No guns, no violence, no people dead, you stay safe.
lol at all the people saying "should have just brandished the gun at them".
You have no idea how they are going to react.
You ONLY pull your gun out if you're willing to kill someone. Unless you want to endanger the lives of yourself and people around you.
[QUOTE=TheProfane;42630137]I just came back from Manchester, and I am 100% sure it's a LOT more safer than the states. We don't need guns here, cuz most European citizens are better raised then over there. [/QUOTE]
That's REALLY funny considering Belgium (assuming you're from Belgium because flagdog) [URL="http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/25233-Crime-comparison-Belgium-vs-USA"]has a higher rate of assault and homicide than the US[/URL]. It's almost [i]twice[/i] as high as a national average, and the UK is up there too. Do you live in a comfortably safe middle/upper-class neighborhood or have you just not been paying attention?
[QUOTE=catbarf;42629888]You know that civilian 'stun guns' aren't Tasers, right? Meaning, they don't actually shoot anything, they're reliant on physical contact and would require this woman to take on the whole group hand-to-hand to be effective?[/QUOTE]
The C2 (the most used civilian Taser in the world) operates basically the same as the LEO X26 (the most used law enforcement Taser in the world) and you can get an X2 (albeit for more than a solid handgun) which is probably more advanced than what your local police uses.
You can find C2's for under $200. You can just walk in to a shop and buy it.
Although you are right in that a Taser is a bad choice of weapon anyway, since the X2 only holds 2 cartridges, meaning 2 shots. Otherwise you would need contact stun.
[QUOTE=Snowmew;42630378]Good job pretending to sound authoritative on the subject. The C2 (the most used civilian Taser in the world) operates basically the same as the LEO X26 (the most used law enforcement Taser in the world) and you can get an X2 (albeit for more than a solid handgun) which is probably more advanced than what your local police uses.
You can find C2's for under $200. You can just walk in to a shop and buy it.[/QUOTE]
Good job being condescending when even [url=http://www.taser.com/consumer-videos/consumer-products/c2-comparison]TASER themselves[/url] don't call their product a stun gun, which is what was being suggested.
[QUOTE=catbarf;42630388]Good job being condescending when even [url=http://www.taser.com/consumer-videos/consumer-products/c2-comparison]TASER themselves[/url] don't call their product a stun gun, which is what was being suggested.[/QUOTE]
I edited to agree with you after rereading. I'm running on no sleep and doing this on a phone.
Regardless, "stun gun" and "Taser" are interchangable for people who don't actually know what they are (e.g. someone who would imply either would be useful in this situation).
[QUOTE=TheProfane;42630137]You ARE a shitposter.
I just came back from Manchester, and I am 100% sure it's a LOT more safer than the states. We don't need guns here, cuz most European citizens are better raised then over there.
A neat trick to use when you get attacked at night by a random person, take your cellphone and call the police and start DESCRIBING the person (what he is wearing, his facial structure) so far I did it twice when I was in shady neighborhoods in Brussels and both times they ran faster than their stupid feet could carry them. And you don't even need to get a person straight away answering your call.
''Hello Police, I am at x street and I am being assaulted by a middleaged person with x, y and z etc..'' loud and clear so they can hear it.
No guns, no violence, no people dead, you stay safe.[/QUOTE]
This has worked once for me, another time it ended up me being smacked around the face a few times with a plank of wood and my pockets emptied
Why don't you just sit a blank in the top of the magazine. Problem solved.
[QUOTE=Aman;42623895]Could have just shot the ground. Or not shot at all and just brandished it at them.[/QUOTE]
Shoot into ground, hit gas main, blow up entire apartment complex.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;42624453]No. They said that gun fire into the air can and does kill.[/QUOTE]
I believe their tests also determined that a dropped penny at its terminal velocity (60-70mph I think?) wasn't lethal, even going so far as to fire pennies at adam's hand to show it'd only really leave a welt
I feel sorry for the mother but I know she feels justified, even proud she managed to stop the confrontation.
for sake of the earlier argument- If it was a parking lot, shooting the ground would only be 'ideal' at an angle away from you, but the shrapnel would still hit whatever vehicles were over there, and to a lesser extent possibly hit someone way off to the side. It's a liability but far less lethal. If there was a planter or field somewhere aiming at that would have been nice
however we're talking about someone in an emergency situation mindset, likely super hard to think so cool and collected as all the armchair warriors talking about trajectories and statistics. You can't blame her, but you can't blame the decision to take her in either.
[QUOTE=Squeegy Mackoy;42630830]Why don't you just sit a blank in the top of the magazine. Problem solved.[/QUOTE]
Then you end up in a situation where you need your first shot not to be a blank, and then you're left feeling silly, and dead.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;42631145]Then you end up in a situation where you need your first shot not to be a blank, and then you're left feeling silly, and dead.[/QUOTE]
is this the old west
Taurus Judge with .410 birdshot. Shoot into the air all you want, falling birdshot doesn't do shit.
[QUOTE=Squeegy Mackoy;42630830]Why don't you just sit a blank in the top of the magazine. Problem solved.[/QUOTE]
You need a blank firing adapter affixed to the barrel and I don't think you'll be able to fire normal bullets out of a gun with that attached
She was openly armed, and yet this guy still attacked her daughter right in front of her. So even if someone sees you are carrying a gun they may give zero fucks. Since this happened where she lives, and presumably they all know each other, I'm guessing that she has a reputation of being the type to back down and that's why that guy felt safe attacking her daughter.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42624112]No, firing into the ground is just as likely to harm someone as firing into the air. It could cause a ricochet or fragmentation could harm someone. It's extremely reckless to discharge a firearm into anything but a solid target. The mother would have been better off letting the scum bags know she was armed, and if they persisted she could have used force.[/QUOTE]
Then she should have shot herself in the foot.
Problem=solved
[editline]24th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Homez;42631363]Taurus Judge with .410 birdshot. Shoot into the air all you want, falling birdshot doesn't do shit.[/QUOTE]
Or you know, blanks could work too.
[QUOTE=onebit;42632395]if she had shot the kids it would have been self defense and legal, why this is illegal is beyond me though[/QUOTE]
because through the magic of physics could have accidentally shot an innocent bystander instead of an assaulter
[QUOTE=onebit;42632743]so could the guy who shoots in the woods[/QUOTE]
Which is why hunters and recreational shooters are liable for the effects of every round they fire. Know your target and what is beyond it. Firing in the air is illegal because it's reckless, you can't know where it's going to hit, whereas you can responsibly fire in a safe direction at a safe target (but are still liable if you screw up).
[QUOTE=onebit;42632743]so could the guy who shoots in the woods[/QUOTE]
bullets drop moderately fast when shot forward, like what you normally do when hunting in the woods.
For instance, I live about 2 miles north of a gun club/shooting range that does lots of clay pigeons, and it's pointed directly at my house. That row of structures at bottom left is the range, I live at top right. There's even a farmhouse halfway between
[t]http://i.imgur.com/OLnSPus.png[/t]
Despite hearing shots pretty clearly til 10 at night daily, it's not a threat. Shooting up at an angle your average pistols and rifles won't be getting too far due to how [relatively] fast the shots drop, so it should be easy to understand any old hunter in the woods isn't a threat to much more than their game.
However we're talking about someone standing in a parking lot in a heavily populated residential area, not a distant thicket of trees or across some farmland
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