Protests over Charlotte Police Shooting move to Highway
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lol.. I just can't understand your logic on this.
isn't rioting in the streets every time a black guy gets killed by police also basically terrorism
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[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism[/url]
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It's literally 1 Wikipedia page.
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EDIT: Throw insults at me, doesn't counter any of my points. I'm more informed than you and have a political science degree and you guys play CS:Go.[/QUOTE]
Sure, considering your entrance to the thread was calling everyone who disagreed with you a "fuck boy".
[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;51087988]lol.. I just can't understand your logic on this.[/QUOTE]
Terrorism isn't some Allahu-Akbar shit,
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state_terrorism[/url]
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It's hopeless to argue with you guys because you're all alt-right neoliberals and I'm a radical communist. It's been fun, read those wikipedia sections and tell me the government isn't fucking black people over. GG
[QUOTE=Thlis;51087995]It's literally 1 Wikipedia page.
Sure, considering your entrance to the thread was calling everyone who disagreed with you a "fuck boy".[/QUOTE]
Yes I want you to read every section.
[QUOTE=No_0ne;51087994]isn't rioting in the streets every time a black guy gets killed by police also basically terrorism[/QUOTE]
Don't be ridiculous.
The definition of terrorism is "the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."
That's completely different from what Llamalord is condoning.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;51087998]
It's hopeless to argue with you guys because you're all alt-right neoliberals and I'm a [B]radical[/B] communist. It's been fun, read those wikipedia sections and tell me the government isn't fucking black people over. GG
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That I will agree with.
[QUOTE=Thlis;51088002]Don't be ridiculous.
The definition of terrorism is "the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."
That's completely different from what Llamalord is condoning.
That I will agree with.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to leave it at this. Call me crazy, whatever you want. These race relations are only going to get worse, and it's not the fault of the African American community and if you keep blaming them you're missing the systematic reasons for why they as a community are using more and more violence against a violent system. Violence begets violence
Keep living in your dream world and condemning black people for acting violent against a violent system. God knows how expert in knowledge a Canadian is about the dynamics of the US government and The US Civil Rights Movement.
EDIT: It's actually fucked how homogeneous and unwilling you guys are to listen to some other perceptive.
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[QUOTE=Llamalord;51088009]I'm going to leave it at this. Call me crazy, whatever you want. These race relations are only going to get worse, and it's not the fault of the African American community and if you keep blaming them you're missing the systematic reasons for why they as a community are using more and more violence against a violent system. Violence begets violence
Keep living in your dream world and condemning black people for acting violent against a violent system.[/QUOTE]
You're crazy
[QUOTE=Llamalord;51088009]I'm going to leave it at this. Call me crazy, whatever you want. These race relations are only going to get worse, and it's not the fault of the African American community and if you keep blaming them you're missing the systematic reasons for why they as a community are using more and more violence against a violent system. Violence begets violence
Keep living in your dream world and condemning black people for acting violent against a violent system. God knows how expert in knowledge a Canadian is about the dynamics of the US government and The US Civil Rights Movement.[/QUOTE]
I don't think being Canadian has impaired my ability to see how advocating violence in one post and then unironically saying "violence begets violence" in another is a faulty ideal.
Yes, violence begets violence. That's exactly why it is the stupidest form of protest, and that is why there is a sharp backlash against your post.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;51088009]EDIT: It's actually fucked how homogeneous and unwilling you guys are to listen to some other perceptive.[/QUOTE]
You say this after trying to dismiss me by my nationality.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;51087998]It's hopeless to argue with you guys because you're all alt-right neoliberals and I'm a radical communist.[/QUOTE]
You're so deranged you think that every person that disagrees with you is a political enemy. Very few people here are "alt-right" and most of us despise the alt-right as much as we do any other extremists, hell half the Trump supporters around here ended up banned anyway.
[QUOTE=Thlis;51088021]I don't think being Canadian has impaired my ability to see how advocating violence in one post and then unironically saying "violence begets violence" in another is a faulty ideal.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/[/url]
Police killed 100 unarmed black people last year. And guess what? Innocent black people are still getting shot.
You're the delusional one if you think peaceful protests are the only option. Peace protests aren't doing anything. Black people aren't going to roll over to the oppression.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;51088009]I'm going to leave it at this. Call me crazy, whatever you want. These race relations are only going to get worse, and it's not the fault of the African American community and if you keep blaming them you're missing the systematic reasons for why they as a community are using more and more violence against a violent system. Violence begets violence
Keep living in your dream world and condemning black people for acting violent against a violent system. God knows how expert in knowledge a Canadian is about the dynamics of the US government and The US Civil Rights Movement.
EDIT: It's actually fucked how homogeneous and unwilling you guys are to listen to some other perceptive.[/QUOTE]
Violence, if it should be used for any reason, is strictly a tool of last resort, not to be employed because you're feeling hard done by from the existing system. If you're going to try and change anything, you don't become part of the existing cycle of violence. Not all instances of radicalism and violence have had positive consequences, but some good has been done in the name of radicalism (for instance the French Revolution, the creation of Magna Carta, and so forth), and have almost always led to grief for those instigating it, or those being involved in it. Both sides have to hear each other out and try to solve their grievances over the negotiating table.
But what radicals in America are doing are getting involved in more pointless violence, some of whom went so far as to start shooting police officers who've had nothing to do with any institutionalized racism. That's not fighting back against a system, it's murder for the sake of "vengeance", pure and simple.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;51088009]It's actually fucked how homogeneous and unwilling you guys are to listen to some other perceptive.[/QUOTE]
It's not a perspective we agree with, so no we're not interested. We also wouldn't be interested if your polar opposite showed up and started talking about white power and the inevitable race war (oh look you've got something in common).
I am absolutely laughing that this guy thinks the majority of people on here are anti-progressives or alt-righters.
How have you not popped up earlier in this part of the forums?
[QUOTE=Tudd;51088045]I am absolutely laughing that this guy thinks the majority of people on here are anti-progressives or alt-righters.[/QUOTE]
When you're on the far-left of the spectrum, everything else looks like the right. This also is prevalent on the far-right of the spectrum, I see it all the time with Trump supporters.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51088045]I am absolutely laughing that this guy thinks the majority of people on here are anti-progressives or alt-righters.
How have you not popped up earlier in this part of the forums?[/QUOTE]
"Black people shouldn't protest if they don't want to be seen as violent" Is just about the most alt-right and anti-progressive thing you can say and I know most of you believe that.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51088050]When you're on the far-left of the spectrum, everything else looks like the right. This also is prevalent on the far-right of the spectrum, I see it all the time with Trump supporters.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad you understand the horseshoe theory and can use it to dismiss my argument.
I would describe all of you who say "violence is never the answer" as squishy liberals who white washed Martin Lurther King Jr's ideals on political protesting.
[b]'A Riot Is the Language of the Unheard'[/b] - Martin Luther King Jr.
TLDR: Black people are oppressed, a bunch of suburban white armchair political scientists screamed at a communist with a degree in political science.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;51088052]"Black people shouldn't protest if they don't want to be seen as violent"[/QUOTE]
Said by no one.
[quote]"Black Lives Matter's members that are rioting and attacking people are doing more damage to themselves"[/quote]
Said by almost everyone.
There is a big difference between protesting and violent riots.
What happened to this?
[QUOTE=Llamalord;51088009]I'm going to leave it at this. Call me crazy, whatever you want..[/QUOTE]
Leave it
[QUOTE=Llamalord;51088052]"Black people shouldn't protest if they don't want to be seen as violent" Is just about the most alt-right and anti-progressive thing you can say and I know most of you believe that.
I'm glad you understand the horseshoe theory and can use it to dismiss my argument.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between peacefully protesting something and deciding riots are supposed to be a good idea.
Nobody said anything about forbidding peaceful protests, but when people think it's a good idea to start riots and endanger others for the sake of their aims without considering the consequences of their actions, then they open themselves to criticism of their actions whether they believe it warranted or not.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;51088052]"Black people shouldn't protest if they don't want to be seen as violent" Is just about the most alt-right and anti-progressive thing you can say and I know most of you believe that.
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BLM and supporters should take a history lesson and learn from MLK on how to protest with meaningful goals.
Pillaging and looting their own communities and blocking highways/businesses (with no direct connection to racism), has actually damaged their own community created more racism. So yah, they shouldn't be protesting the way they are going about it cause it solves nothing and does self-harm.
You come off as a stereotypical SJW tool that can't realise that the people on these forums are actually largely for the oversight/evaluation of officers in the USA.
Could you please answer by the way how this was a racist shooting when it was black officer that shot the black person though?
[editline]22nd September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Llamalord;51088052]
TLDR: Black people are oppressed, a bunch of suburban white armchair political scientists screamed at a communist with a degree in political science.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, classic marxist "the oppressor and the oppressed appeal" intellectual that thinks sitting through 4 years of political science classes gave him authority.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;51088052]TLDR: Black people are oppressed, a bunch of suburban white armchair political scientists screamed at a communist with a degree in political science.[/QUOTE]
Yes they are, but rioting isn't going to fix that. [I]Especially[/I] rioting when a criminal (even if you don't want to use that word in this case, he was an armed man who refused to disarm) is killed by police. Rioting when a criminal is killed for committing crimes is a very fast way to de-legitimatize your movement. Couple that with the (sometimes violent) anti-police rhetoric that lead to the Dallas police shooting, and the only change your engineering is increased violence.
So what can be done? As far as Law Enforcement goes, they're mostly fine. Contrary to popular belief, police training and standards are at an all-time high. Police "militarization" is a non-issue that's mostly brought up by people that simply do not like the police and thus would rather see them defenseless. One thing that must be done is the creation of a Federal Agency tasked with investigating police misconduct, as much as I'm on the police's side, having them investigate themselves is a recipe for corruption.
What else needs done is better education, better living standards, upward mobility, and some cultural changes. Particularly the concept of "acting white" needs to be eliminated, and the hatred of police which makes it difficult to stop crime, hatred of cops also leads to more people resisting or turning violent which leads to more shootings. I don't have answers on how to do that, but it needs done.
"He was an uncle tom, white massa brainwashed him"
/s
If there isn't a massive riot on the scale never before seen in America by the end of 2018, and also if it doesn't bring about massive social policy reform; permaban me toxx
[QUOTE=Llamalord;51088157]If there isn't a massive riot on the scale never before seen in America by the end of 2018, and also if it doesn't bring about massive social policy reform; permaban me toxx[/QUOTE]
Probably will happen if idiots like you keep growing and perpuate it no matter if it's relevant or not.
Good luck out of your armchair and into the fight, comrade.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51088172]Probably will happen if idiots like you keep growing and perpuate it no matter if it's relevant or not.
Good luck out of your armchair and into the fight, comrade.[/QUOTE]
I'll be fine, you can go find my pictures on the bodybuilding thread in the general discussion subforum
[QUOTE=Llamalord;51087998]alt-right neoliberals[/QUOTE]
Hi. Left wing librarian here who happens to disagree with you. I don't think BLM is the right answer and most of them only use BLM as a mask for violence rather than trying to solve actual issues, but I do agree that racism is an issue.
But like, what does this even mean :v: I've seen people from literally every side of the political spectrum disagree with violence.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;51088179]I'll be fine, you can go find my pictures on the bodybuilding thread in the general discussion subforum[/QUOTE]
having a couple of knobs of useless beach musculature isn't going to stop a bullet going through your face.
If this great revolution you've got such a boner for happens, you and a lot of other people are square in the cross-hairs of all sorts of armed anti-social fucks.
Odds will be good you will die utterly pointlessly.
Well I guess if you can't peacefully protest without republicunts getting their knickers in a knot, you gotta do something.
[editline]22nd September 2016[/editline]
and don't try to twist this as me wanting everyone to riot.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;51088052]
[b]'A Riot Is the Language of the Unheard'[/b] - Martin Luther King Jr.
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The Irony here is that MLK protested peacefully, look where that got him, look where that got black people.
Peaceful protests are better than violence protests.
Peaceful helps the cause, helps paint a better image of them.
Violence doesn't help, it creates a worse image of them.
This shit, the whole shit in Charlotte, the whole shit in other places, is not how you do a protest, it's not how you get people to listen and agree with you, it's how you get people to turn on you.
These "protesters" are criminals, they deserve to be arrested.
And yes Black people do get shot more often than White people, but it doesn't mean people should go out and case something like this crap, something where they steal from people, they assault people, they try to kill people and scream Murder before attacking people.
This is despicable.
I will never support people like this, I won't sympathize with them.
These people don't deserve my sympathy.
You know who do?
The Black people who aren't like this, the Black people who actually want a change.
The non-violent Black people who don't support any of this.
Fuck, even the Violent Black People who don't support this, deserves my Sympathy more than these lot.
[editline]22nd September 2016[/editline]
Cause now, Black people, are looking worse than they have been looked at for years.
All justification of their Movement, is gone.
A lot of the stuff in the last year regarding Racism, has regressed the progress MLK made.
Remember how Black People and White People couldn't be in the same Dorms before MLK came along?
Well fuck MLK, cause now it's just like that again.
This won't cause any progress, it will cause regress.
with how fast MLK has been spinning in his grave for the past few months, you could link him up to a generator and power the whole city
[QUOTE=ProfHappycat7;51088447]with how fast MLK has been spinning in his grave for the past few months, you could link him up to a generator and power the whole city[/QUOTE]
He is attaining such speeds that he might distort the magnetic polarity of the planet.
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