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[QUOTE=dogmachines;37071885]So violence in both areas are down, with no heed for gun control. Out of curiosity, what would the numbers be with air weapons included? I know it's probably a small number, but I can't help but ask.[/QUOTE] RIGHT this took fucking ages to track down Couldn't find the figures for 2011/12 but.... [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ZqMOA.png[/IMG] "In 2010/11, firearms were used in 11,227 recorded offences in England and Wales, a decrease of 13 per cent compared with the previous year, when 12,976 offences were recorded. This compares with an overall decrease of four per cent of all offences recorded by the police over the same period. There was a 15 per cent fall in air weapon offences and a 13 per cent fall in non-air weapon offences over the last year" Now I'm not saying this is conclusive but... "This decrease in firearm offences has largely been due to a [B]reduction in the number of air weapon offences[/B] recorded by the police, which has fallen by over two-thirds (69%) since 2003/04. In comparison, non-air weapon offences are almost a third (32%) lower than 2003/04, having peaked later, in 2005/06" "The Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 came into law in October 2007 and [B]introduced new restrictions for imitation firearms and air weapons[/B]. For air weapons, the Act restricted the sale of air weapons to licensed firearm dealers and raised the minimum age for owning or buying an air weapon from 14 to 18. For imitation weapons, the import or sale of realistic* imitation weapons was made illegal by the Act." The trend started before the act but this suggests a form of control having a positive rather than negative impact The gun laws certainly aren't getting more lax [url]http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/hosb0212/hosb0212?view=Binary[/url]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;37072371] Yeah? And in Germany it's illegal to have a bull terrier as a pet. Your point?[/QUOTE] That firearm control might actually decrease violent crime.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;37072452]That firearm control might actually decrease violent crime.[/QUOTE] It might in different countries. It hasn't in Illinois.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;37072361]Did you know the Germans have strict gun control and surprisingly they don't tend to have many homicides as many American states?[/QUOTE] Did you know that every military age male in Switzerland has an assault rifle in their home and they have hardly any gun crime?
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37072480]Did you know that every military age male in Switzerland has an assault rifle in their home and they have hardly any gun crime?[/QUOTE] Crimes tend to be committed with firearms that aren't as bulky and impractical to use for homicides/robbing.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;37072507]Crimes tend to be committed with firearms that aren't as bulky and impractical to use for homicides/robbing.[/QUOTE] You can still purchase other firearms. Despite this, a country of over 7 million people had 34 murders(this includes attempted murder) in 2006. It's also perfectly legal to carry your Army-issued assault rifle in public.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37072545]You can still purchase other firearms. Despite this, a country of over 7 million people had 34 murders(this includes attempted murder) in 2006. It's also perfectly legal to carry your Army-issued assault rifle in public.[/QUOTE] Now, why do you think homicide is so low in Switzerland then?
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37072480]Did you know that every military age male in Switzerland has an assault rifle in their home and they have hardly any gun crime?[/QUOTE] They are a special case Guns are still tightly controlled, there's a difference between having an assault rifle locked away in your home and having a handgun you carry everywhere And it's not true they have hardly any gun crime, 19th in the world according to this list [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate[/url]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;37072590]Now, why do you think homicide is so low in Switzerland then?[/QUOTE] All the guns? [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=James*;37072593]They are a special case Guns are still tightly controlled, there's a difference between having an assault rifle locked away in your home and having a handgun you carry everywhere And it's not true they have hardly any gun crime, 19th in the world according to this list [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate[/url][/QUOTE] It's drastically better than the US despite the fact that every 20-30 year old male has access to an assault rifle they can take out into the street, no questions asked.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37072613]All the guns?[/QUOTE] Well I am thinking perhaps that is not the case at all, and that guns do not decrease crime if held in large numbers. Perhaps the reason for the Swiss is their long history of being insular, their relative political and economic stability compared to other European nations, etc rather than a prevalence of firearms. [QUOTE=dogmachines;37072613]despite the [b]fact[/b] that every 20-30 year old male has access to an assault rifle they can take out into the street, no questions asked.[/QUOTE] Alright, do you have anything backing up this factual statement?
[QUOTE=James*;37072593]They are a special case Guns are still tightly controlled, there's a difference between having an assault rifle locked away in your home and having a handgun you carry everywhere And it's not true they have hardly any gun crime, 19th in the world according to this list [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate[/url][/QUOTE] Only because their suicide rate is high, the homicide rate is relatively low. Also, you can carry said assault rifles [I]anywhere.[/I] Hell, you could walk into a fuckin' bank with one on your back.
[QUOTE=James*;37072593]They are a special case Guns are still tightly controlled, there's a difference between having an assault rifle locked away in your home and having a handgun you carry everywhere[/QUOTE] Czech Republic has no "gun-free zones" and concealed carry permits are available to those with a clean criminal and mental history. Gun crime is still pretty low. Heck, with the right papers you can buy machineguns and fucking tanks.
[QUOTE=Loen;37072689]Only because their suicide rate is high, the homicide rate is relatively low.[/QUOTE] Well guns do offer a pretty easy way out
[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;37072692]Czech Republic has no "gun-free zones" and concealed carry permits are available to those with a clean criminal and mental history. Gun crime is still pretty low. Heck, with the right papers you can buy machineguns and fucking tanks.[/QUOTE] Guns aren't too popular there however. There is only 310,000 licenses there, and even then most of the guns are used for sports rather than self defence. [url]http://zpravy.ihned.cz/cesko/c1-49617340-pocet-legalne-drzenych-zbrani-v-cesku-stoupa-uz-jich-je-pres-700-tisic[/url]
[QUOTE=James*;37072739]Well guns do offer a pretty easy way out[/QUOTE] Okay. Your point? Of all places in the world, [I]Japan[/I] has the highest suicide rates, despite guns being basically entirely illegal there. Suicide is not a problem with legality and availability of means and substances, it's a problem in its fucking self. Banning shit isn't going to make people not want to commit suicide, that's a different problem entirely.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;37072747]Guns aren't too popular there however. There is only 310,000 licenses there, and even then most of the guns are used for sports rather than self defence. [url]http://zpravy.ihned.cz/cesko/c1-49617340-pocet-legalne-drzenych-zbrani-v-cesku-stoupa-uz-jich-je-pres-700-tisic[/url][/QUOTE] Still they're easily accessible. If lax gun laws really increased crimes, CZ is a pretty good counterpoint. (after the aforementioned low-control low-crime everyone-and-their-dog-has-a-gun US states mentioned above, that "are not relevant" for some reason)
[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;37072896]Still they're easily accessible. If lax gun laws really increased crimes, CZ is a pretty good counterpoint. (after the aforementioned low-control low-crime everyone-and-their-dog-has-a-gun US states mentioned above, that "are not relevant" for some reason)[/QUOTE] I agree, but the infrastructure, standard of living, economy, and social issues has a lot more to do with crime than the availability of weapons; The best way to prevent crime is to remove the incentive to commit it in the first place.
Why are we comparing foreign nations to the US? Yes the violent crime rate is lower in the U.K than the U.S but does it have to do with gun laws? Not necessarily. Take a look at Switzerland. They have extremely lax gun laws and the violent crime that involves guns is so low that they don't even bother keeping the statistics. It has less to do with gun control as it does with the general culture, population, population density, and so many other factors. Can we stop arguing now?
[QUOTE=Blitzkreig;37074141]Why are we comparing foreign nations to the US?[/QUOTE] Because people from foreign nations think that their practices will flawlessly translate over to the US and everything will be rainbows.
This man deserves a fucking medal. Why did that faggot kill dogs? What was the point?
the gun culture in the US is stupid to begin with
[QUOTE=James*;37072398]RIGHT this took fucking ages to track down Couldn't find the figures for 2011/12 but.... [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ZqMOA.png[/IMG] "In 2010/11, firearms were used in 11,227 recorded offences in England and Wales, a decrease of 13 per cent compared with the previous year, when 12,976 offences were recorded. This compares with an overall decrease of four per cent of all offences recorded by the police over the same period. There was a 15 per cent fall in air weapon offences and a 13 per cent fall in non-air weapon offences over the last year" Now I'm not saying this is conclusive but... "This decrease in firearm offences has largely been due to a [B]reduction in the number of air weapon offences[/B] recorded by the police, which has fallen by over two-thirds (69%) since 2003/04. In comparison, non-air weapon offences are almost a third (32%) lower than 2003/04, having peaked later, in 2005/06" "The Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 came into law in October 2007 and [B]introduced new restrictions for imitation firearms and air weapons[/B]. For air weapons, the Act restricted the sale of air weapons to licensed firearm dealers and raised the minimum age for owning or buying an air weapon from 14 to 18. For imitation weapons, the import or sale of realistic* imitation weapons was made illegal by the Act." The trend started before the act but this suggests a form of control having a positive rather than negative impact The gun laws certainly aren't getting more lax [url]http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/hosb0212/hosb0212?view=Binary[/url][/QUOTE] I absolutely love how the drop starts right at the exact same time that the Assault Weapons ban expired.
[url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/19/violent-crime-dc-surges-2012/?page=all[/url] [quote]Overall crime — violent crimes and property crimes such as burglary, theft and arson — has increased 25 percent from last year to this year. The statistics also show that the increase in crime rates has been building steadily, making it more difficult to dismiss it as an aberration based on a small data sample. Going back to October, overall crime is up 15 percent in the District, and violent crime is up 24 percent.[/quote] DC's strict gun laws were overruled in 2007 yet violent crime continues to increase in 2012 and while crime rates in DC are higher than that of other states, records show that immediately following the Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975, the crime rate in DC dropped dramatically, ending a period of increasing crime rates. meanwhile michigan with less gun control has the highest violent crime rate in america.
I'm just gonna quote my post from the other thread: [QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;37065515]It's already easy to find a gun and bullets legally almost everywhere in the US. You can pick up a basic revolver or semi-auto handgun for less than $200 at most pawn shops. A pawn shop here has a .380 PPK up for $150, a few years ago I picked up a Gewehr 98 in 7.92mm for $200 and the gun show in Boise always has hundreds of pistols and rifles for sale, anywhere from old cap and ball revolvers to brand new semi-auto handguns and old lever action rifles to AR-15s. If you're REALLY on a budget $70 cap and ball revolvers aren't exactly uncommon. Not only that but you can buy the gun and a couple hundred rounds of ammo at the same show then walk out with your purchases and the security guard at the door will tell you "Have a nice day!" (And people typically offer the same in return because that's the way we do things here). Hell there's an NFA dealer at the show that carries all sorts of Full Auto guns, Thompsons, BARs, you name it. You have to be rich and spend the better part of a year going through the system to get one but they are available to those who can afford them. And even with all the guns it's pretty damn nice here in Idaho too, the only real problem we have is meth, and even then it's pretty isolated to the more densely populated areas. Any violence you hear about here is typically a result of gang, drug or poverty related problems, not because there's a lot of guns. Just last year there were 312 assaults committed with guns of all types, 171 with handguns alone, 402 with knives, 287 with blunt objects, 98 with vehicles and more than 2,000 with just hands and feet. Vehicle related assaults outpaced all but handgun related assaults. Of those, there were 14 murders with guns, 12 of those were handguns, 5 murders with a knife, one with a vehicle and 3 with hands and feet. All this means is guns are more likely to kill someone, but the overall deaths are still a fraction of those who survived, and the number of people assaulted with a gun is still matched or outpaced by other types of weapon. Guns are not the problem, social issues such as gang, drug and poverty driving people to attack each other are the problem. [url]http://www.isp.idaho.gov/BCI/CrimeInIdaho2011/Crimes%20Against%20Persons.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37076521][URL]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/19/violent-crime-dc-surges-2012/?page=all[/URL] DC's strict gun laws were overruled in 2007 yet violent crime continues to increase in 2012 and while crime rates in DC are higher than that of other states, records show that immediately following the Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975, the crime rate in DC dropped dramatically, ending a period of increasing crime rates. meanwhile michigan with less gun control has the highest violent crime rate in america.[/QUOTE] DC still has an incredibly convoluted and expensive process to legally obtaining a handgun. And there is only one gun shop in the city. He was closed for a good portion of last year when his zoning variance was rescinded. [URL]http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2011/oct/5/miller-emily-gets-her-gun/[/URL]
[QUOTE=smurfy;37056819]Gotta hand it to him Under those circumstances I couldn't have done what he did No way in hell Can't imagine what skill it took Or maybe it was luck No matter, it's amazing either way Terrible that two people were murdered beforehand though Regardless, this man is a hero Of course, there is only one thing left to do now Look at the first letter of each line and realise that this thread was fucked from the start[/QUOTE] Acrostic poetry in SH. Bravo, smurfy, bravo.
Dangit, can only understand half what he's saying due to his accent, anyone care to translate?
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