2 soldiers die during SAS selection training in Wales, third seriously ill
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[QUOTE=YouWithTheFace.;41472041]i'm presuming they had a ton of equipment with them adding to the heat.
i feel like i'm going to melt running around that type of heat even with light clothing so i cant imagine how hot it was for them.[/QUOTE]
They tend to be loaded up with full kit, including rifles and bergens, sometimes supplemented with bricks in them.
[img]http://www.army.mod.uk/images/central-panel/5._The_12_mile_load_carry__a_loaded_march_carrying_69_pounds_of_kit_plus_weapons_as_part_of_the_4_day_test_exercise502.jpg[/img]
Around 70 odd pounds of kit, plus the rifle, plus all the clothing etc. SAS tend to make you do it with more kit (helmets and other crap) all while doing a 20 mile march across terrain that is up down up down up down all the time.
[QUOTE=cis.joshb;41471031]I'm not joking when I say that these guys were probably just pussies who pretended to pass out to get out of training. In the US our soldiers would never do that because they understand the honor of being a soldier.[/QUOTE]
Dude, just wait until you see a Division Review on a parade field. It is a game to count everyone that passes out, and that is just fucking standing there.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;41472986]Dude, just wait until you see a Division Review on a parade field. It is a game to count everyone that passes out, and that is just fucking standing there.[/QUOTE]
Thats caused by people stupidly locking their knees while standing there, it's quite a common mistake.
Point is, the US military is still made up of human beings, and heat casualties happen. I have great respect for the SAS because they go through a hell of a lot more shit than I do, so trying to trivialize them is really stupid.
[editline]15th July 2013[/editline]
My automerge aaagh
[QUOTE=jaegerisacunt;41471687]Now you've fucking done it.
The ex RMCs are going to come in here and we'll never hear the end of it[/QUOTE]
Only solution is to call in the Royal Gurkha Rifles and have them stand in the corner, internally laughing at the projection done by other regiments. The Gurkhas have nothing to prove, they don't need to show off. They'll just stay chill, until an ass whoopin' is needed.
The Battle of Mirbat pretty much shows just how tough SAS troopers are, 9 of them (plus about 40 regular soldiers, although they did fuck all) held off 300 enemy troops for 6 hours, until reinforcements arrived, 3 dead SAS troopers, 80+ dead enemy combatants.
and Mike Kealy, the officer who was in charge there, was the one I mentioned earlier, an experienced SAS Captain, he died of Hypothermia doing the same kind of march selectees do.
jeez, reading about all these selections tests and training is tiring me out
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;41473456]jeez, reading about all these selections tests and training is tiring me out[/QUOTE]
US Navy SEAL's have a Hell Week....The SAS has pretty much a hell week for 19 weeks.and you can be failed at any point in time, even on the last day of the 19th week, hell, you're on probation for 12 months after passing selection and at any point even then can be RTU'd (failed) That's just the selection training, after all that 19 weeks, you're still not finished with your training.
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I find the entire thing fascinating. I had a history teacher who used to claim he was in the SAS before he was a teacher; he was pretty obviously joking, but when you hear it for 5 years constantly, it becomes amusing to imagine.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;41473485]US Navy SEAL's have a Hell Week....The SAS has pretty much a hell week for 19 weeks.and you can be failed at any point in time, even on the last day of the 19th week.[/QUOTE]
the SAS sound like an incredibly talented fighting force, and i can cross "SAS commando" off my list of jobs i might go into
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;41473513]
I find the entire thing fascinating. I had a history teacher who used to claim he was in the SAS before he was a teacher; he was pretty obviously joking, but when you hear it for 5 years constantly, it becomes amusing to imagine.[/QUOTE]
The rule with that is, if they ever claim to have been in the SAS, they're lying. Infact if you lie in a place where the SAS frequent, pubs etc, about having been a member, you're liable to be taken out back and having the shit kicked out of you.
[editline]16th July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;41473526]the SAS sound like an incredibly talented fighting force, and i can cross "SAS commando" off my list of jobs i might go into[/QUOTE]
They really are, and it's exemplified in how they were formed, during WW2 David Stirling proposed the SAS, he got refused, so, despite having two broken legs, he scaled multiple fences and snuck into the office of the guy in HQ, demanding that they form the SAS.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;41473485]US Navy SEAL's have a Hell Week....The SAS has pretty much a hell week for 19 weeks.and you can be failed at any point in time, even on the last day of the 19th week, hell, you're on probation for 12 months after passing selection and at any point even then can be RTU'd (failed) That's just the selection training, after all that 19 weeks, you're still not finished with your training.[/QUOTE]
As I understand they even put you through actual torture/interrogation scenarios... scary shit.
[QUOTE=MadBomber;41473571]As I understand they even put you through actual torture/interrogation scenarios... scary shit.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, even if you win at the escape and evasion part, you still get interrogated like someone who was caught.
Also, the instructors aren't in your face shouting, they're usually quiet reserved, but really fucking sneaky and know what buttons to press to make some people lose it.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;41473539]The rule with that is, if they ever claim to have been in the SAS, they're lying. Infact if you lie in a place where the SAS frequent, pubs etc, about having been a member, you're liable to be taken out back and having the shit kicked out of you.[/QUOTE]
That's the difference between the Paras and the SAS. Every bar in Aldershot is full of them wearing their berets and talking themselves up.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;41473015]Thats caused by people stupidly locking their knees while standing there, it's quite a common mistake.[/QUOTE]
You also want to tense and relax muscles (especially in the legs) so they don't pool in your lower body/limbs.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;41474078]That's the difference between the Paras and the SAS. Every bar in Aldershot is full of them wearing their berets and talking themselves up.[/QUOTE]
Who cares, the dudes are going to be off to be stuck in the shit the better part of the year, let them enjoy the free time they have by getting an ego rub and possibly getting their dick wet.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;41474078]That's the difference between the Paras and the SAS. Every bar in Aldershot is full of them wearing their berets and talking themselves up.[/QUOTE]
They sound almost as bad as Marines in this country.
[QUOTE=madjawa;41470901]Probably not because of the heat.
If you're a soldier and can't withstand a temperature of 30C, maybe you should reconsider your line of work.[/QUOTE]
No, It seem stupid but if you are exposed to the sun for hours even something like 30c can kill you. It was a training so he was probably wearing a big outfit and running many kilometres in the wild.
raising up his body temperature to a really dangerous point
[QUOTE=Tom Hutchins;41470667]first person to post how their country is hotter than the uk gets a shiny new title expressing how much of a faggot you are.
go.[/QUOTE]
It really doesn't matter how hot it is in other countries/regions. 30C+ weather paired with immense exertion on the body and fatigue will take down just about anyone.
I know here in Georgia around June and July we get a lot of heat stroke fatalities; and not just from seniors like you'd expect. That's why I try to take good 30 minute breaks when doing any yardwork because it easily reaches 86F here with 70+ humidity mid summer.
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;41480076]It really doesn't matter how hot it is in other countries/regions. 30C+ weather paired with immense exertion on the body and fatigue will take down just about anyone.
I know here in Georgia around June and July we get a lot of heat stroke fatalities; and not just from seniors like you'd expect. That's why I try to take good 30 minute breaks when doing any yardwork because it easily reaches 86F here with 70+ humidity mid summer.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, even here in Quebec/Canada we are getting warmer summer and we recently reach 34C (89-93F) with 70+ Humidity since about a week. I had to work outside for an hour and its hard mostly because it was a physical work
Why would they put this much physical exertion on people, when it's not required. Do they not realize that over time, they become stronger, and not in short period bursts?
They should train over time, to become better soldiers, instead of blasting shit at them, expecting gold to shine through.
Give them breaks, then push them, then ease down, then push, then break.
Not push push push, ease, push push push. That's just relentless, un-needed, and idiotic.
[QUOTE=SatansSin;41480328]Why would they put this much physical exertion on people, when it's not required. Do they not realize that over time, they become stronger, and not in short period bursts?
They should train over time, to become better soldiers, instead of blasting shit at them, expecting gold to shine through.
Give them breaks, then push them, then ease down, then push, then break.
Not push push push, ease, push push push. That's just relentless, un-needed, and idiotic.[/QUOTE]
The whole point of the SAS selection is not physical training.
If you can't cover the 40 miles in under 20 hours with full kit over difficult terrain, you're not good enough for the SAS.
It's all about humidity, guys. Try being in the UK at 30 degrees, then go to a country like spain at the same temperature. What is this? UK is so much hotter! Witch craft!
Basic stuff.
[QUOTE=SatansSin;41480328]Why would they put this much physical exertion on people, when it's not required. Do they not realize that over time, they become stronger, and not in short period bursts?
They should train over time, to become better soldiers, instead of blasting shit at them, expecting gold to shine through.
Give them breaks, then push them, then ease down, then push, then break.
Not push push push, ease, push push push. That's just relentless, un-needed, and idiotic.[/QUOTE]
The whole point of Special Forces is to have soldiers that are [b]above and beyond[/b] the standard of regular infantry. The reason why SF trainees are given fucking hard shit from the get-go is because when they're out in the field, they're not going to be babysitted by fucking cadre.
Army Rangers get starved and sleep-deprived
Sappers are only fed with the food they catch themselves.
Fucking SEALs and every other trainee in any other Special Forces unit gets treated like dogshit and are faced with extreme conditions that they are expected to endure and face when they're in action.
It's not some gentleman's course, these instructors are going to blast away at a batch and they won't care if they either find a diamond in the rough or just fucking mud and dirt. Diamonds can be crushed and mud can be molded, their job is to make Special Forces soldiers, not to find them.
I've had the honor of meeting some SAS guys training one day.
Something must have gone seriously wrong because the type of people who even make it to the selection process are among the most toughest and in-control people around.
It probably would have happened whether it was 10C or 30C.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;41473485]US Navy SEAL's have a Hell Week....The SAS has pretty much a hell week for 19 weeks.and you can be failed at any point in time, even on the last day of the 19th week, hell, you're on probation for 12 months after passing selection and at any point even then can be RTU'd (failed) That's just the selection training, after all that 19 weeks, you're still not finished with your training.[/QUOTE]
My cousin a Royal Marines sniper, one time they did an SAS training exercise where he and another soldier had to keep watch over a mock enemy base in a tiny dug-out pit on top of a hill living off nothing but cold coffee and hot chocolate powder for 3 days, taking turns every few hours to sleep. Couldn't even stand to take a piss
Just think, this is the SAS which are trained to break in buildings, rescue hostages and come back out again in under 20 seconds
[QUOTE=SatansSin;41480328]Why would they put this much physical exertion on people, when it's not required. Do they not realize that over time, they become stronger, and not in short period bursts?
They should train over time, to become better soldiers, instead of blasting shit at them, expecting gold to shine through.
Give them breaks, then push them, then ease down, then push, then break.
Not push push push, ease, push push push. That's just relentless, un-needed, and idiotic.[/QUOTE]
Because life isn't convenient when you're out in enemy territory with a pucker factor of 10.
If you can't deal with the worst conditions you're not for the SAS, the idea is to be able to select the people who can go beyond what a normal person could do.
[QUOTE=SatansSin;41480328]Why would they put this much physical exertion on people, when it's not required. Do they not realize that over time, they become stronger, and not in short period bursts?
They should train over time, to become better soldiers, instead of blasting shit at them, expecting gold to shine through.
Give them breaks, then push them, then ease down, then push, then break.
Not push push push, ease, push push push. That's just relentless, un-needed, and idiotic.[/QUOTE]
Special forces soldiers need to be reliable and unbreakable. They weed out the weaklings and mold the survivors into more than men. The SF soldiers may need to do the 40 mile march in under a day in a real scenario and they need to be made to endure that. They are special forces for a reason, they are not regular soldiers.
[QUOTE=Liem;41470833]30c That's nothing
Here in Canada we hit 0c sometimes
when we're lucky
Someone please send a heater
please[/QUOTE]
its actually really fucking hot in canada
Sorry to bump this, but they released the names of the 2 soldiers who died.
[url]http://t.news.uk.msn.com/uk/sas-death-army-reservist-named-1[/url]
I went to university with Edward Maher, he was in my course and I sat next to him at graduation. Hard to believe he's gone.
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