[QUOTE=Contag;31794861]I understand, but I disagree that it entirely displaces rational thought.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you man, sometimes after I smoked a lot of ciggarettes in the weekend I will feel a craving to get more but Im smart enough not to give into that craving.
It seems pointless to me honestly. The only benefit I could see is turning away teenagers from smoking, but honestly it's not going to make a big enough difference to make it worth it.
And if anything people will just start using Cigarette cases again, or just collect old boxes of cigarettes before the change and use those.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;31788456]I appreciate the condescension and lack of reading comprehension that I've come to know you for, but I really don't think I need to be told how to find research on a subject when I read environmental control magazines on a regular basis and you're just another libertard who doesn't know what words mean.
I give the fuck up, you're incapable of being conversed with. Go home and get your GED, kid.[/QUOTE]
You could always stay of subject and give me a source that shows that there is a significant risk of second hand smoke in open areas. Your previous source certainly didn't do that.
[QUOTE=GeneralFredrik;31790246]Whops, guess you missed that part. [/QUOTE]
No I didn't miss that part, and my main criticism is that you have to be willing to accept that being exposed to that toxicity for a small amount of time will have an effect on your health. The study you give is not about second hand smoke in open spaces. It is certainly harmful to kids and adults in closed environments with enough exposure.
I don't get why no other products get federal warnings, for instance if you choose to eat in a fastfood chain there should be a warning about obesity and heartattacks. Or a warning about the use of internet which causes an addiction and can have several affects to your body. The same could be said about coffee which is "unhealthy" for a person. Cellphones cause electro smog? Why are there no warnings and signs or any pictures of people suffering for cancer?
I know that the tobacco industry is not a good thing, but why are people bashing it so much with these warnings which don't change all that much. A lot of products or other stuff is unhealthy to some degree, but a customer is still free to choose which product he can buy. Furthermore the packaging and design is totally fucked by those pictures.
On an economic view, we still have a free market and businessman can found a company which is profitable, tobacco is an industry which has lived on for hundreds of years. Why change that now?
You don't need to smoke if you don't want to. If you don't want that your children starts smoking, raise them in an appropriate manner and tell them by yourself why they shouldn't.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;31782811]Yeah, don't you love that one with the Kid on Life support?
[editline]17th August 2011[/editline]
Although those people are adults, they have the legal right to put what they want into their bodies.[/QUOTE]
No they don't. They don't have the right to put heroin and cocaine into their bodies.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;31795414]No they don't. They don't have the right to put heroin and cocaine into their bodies.[/QUOTE]
Why not?
[QUOTE=sp00ks;31795414]No they don't. They don't have the right to put heroin and cocaine into their bodies.[/QUOTE]
Yes they do?
the new warning labels are so pointless
we already know what smoking does, pictures everyone sees in health class isn't going to change anyone's mind.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;31783090]I think our current education is fine. There is a difference between Educating and using scare tactics. *Cough*Marijuana*cough*[/QUOTE] Are you sure you don't smoke, you're coughing ALOT.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;31782811]
Although those people are adults, they have the legal right to put what they want into their bodies.[/QUOTE]
They don't have a legal right when im paying for part of their health care.
[QUOTE=Remscar;31795692]They don't have a legal right when im paying for part of their health care.[/QUOTE]
yes they do
your tax money goes to much heinous things than sustaining the lives of innocent human beings, so maybe your outrage is misdirected
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31794497]What are you even trying to say? By this logic video games might as well be as addictive as alcohol!
As has already been said, you don't need a predisposition to addiction to become dependent on nicotine or alcohol, but you do for pornography and I have never, ever, heard of someone getting addicted to caffeine.[/QUOTE]
I never said that video games were addictive as alcohol. Nothing has an 'addictive' property. It is the mental craving for things. I'll explain it in layman terms:
1. Monkey likes A
2. Monkey's brain releases endorphins
3. Endorphins make monkey feel good
4. Monkey returns to A (2-4)
People don't get 'addicted' per say as they do get addicted to the feel good that comes from doing said addiction.
[QUOTE=Extroll;31797310]
1. Monkey likes A
2. Monkey's brain releases endorphins
3. Endorphins make monkey feel good
4. Monkey returns to A (2-4)
[/QUOTE]
1. Monkey likes A
2. Monkey's body shuts down if it doesn't get A
3. Monkey either returns to A or dies
[quote] Nothing has an 'addictive' property.[/quote]
um no this is wrong
[QUOTE=Sanius;31797349]1. Monkey likes A
2. Monkey's body shuts down if it doesn't get A
3. Monkey either returns to A or dies[/QUOTE]
That's like heroin, meth, that stuff, right?
[QUOTE=Unreliable;31797458]That's like heroin, meth, that stuff, right?[/QUOTE]
Can't die from withdrawals from those.
You can however die from alcohol withdrawal :v:
[QUOTE=Theater;31782800]Why don't coke bottles have pictures of heart attack victims and morbidly obese people?[/QUOTE]
because way more people die from smoking every year than from drinking soda
[QUOTE=DireAvenger;31782771]It's been going on for years in Australia.
People still buy shitloads of cigarettes.[/QUOTE]
Actually, a few years back, a mate of mine made it his goal to collect the whole set of warnings
[QUOTE=Noth;31797607]Actually, a few years back, a mate of mine made it his goal to collect the whole set of warnings[/QUOTE]
That would be hard haha I always seem to get the one with a fucked up baby on it :v:
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;31797610]That would be hard haha I always seem to get the one with a fucked up baby on it :v:[/QUOTE]
Well, they were warnings showing what smoking does to an individual body part, so it was just like collecting an entire person
[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;31784998]You know what those pictures do to kids when they see them?
They see the horrible picture, ask their mommy in tears
"Mommy, what is that?"
"That's a tobacco-box."
I'd say those kids will develop a strong dislike to tobacco and that is good.[/QUOTE]
Uh. Nope. I grew up around those boxes, many of my friends did, it never stopped anyone from smoking.
[b]people just want to do what they want to do, no one's being harmed but themselves, and everyones long since accepted that. [/b]
This is more of a general post than a reply to you, but maybe if you're so concerned about people smoking, you should find out why people [b]WANT[/b] to smoke a poison that they know is killing them. That seems so much more important.
[QUOTE=Extroll;31797310]Nothing has an 'addictive' property. It is the mental craving for things.[/quote]
Yeah, this is wrong.
[QUOTE=Extroll;31797310]People don't get 'addicted' per say as they do get addicted to the feel good that comes from doing said addiction.[/QUOTE]
And so is this.
From experience, those pictures simply don't work. Education does. My mother smokes and has since she was in her late teens, which was back before people knew how bad these things really are. One of the best possible detterents is having a parents smoke.
[QUOTE=McCarthy;31798582]From experience, those pictures simply don't work. Education does. My mother smokes and has since she was in her late teens, which was back before people knew how bad these things really are. One of the best possible detterents is having a parents smoke.[/QUOTE]
I dont think so, my dad smoked and I always liked the smell.
Happiness and relaxation wrapped in paper. Worries of the work day melt away at the spark of a cigarette. Anti-tobacco people are sadistic pricks who are intolerant and unhappy and want to take our joy away.
..At least from a smokers perspective.
but srsly anti-tobacco people are usually snooty and intolerant as fuck and they think they hate the smell of cigarettes because they've been told to.
[QUOTE=Sanius;31797349]1. Monkey likes A
2. Monkey's body shuts down if it doesn't get A
3. Monkey either returns to A or dies[/QUOTE]
Nice nuanced view you got there
So then if it doesn't kill you in withdrawal, it's not addictive? guess alcohol and benzodiazepines are some of the only addictive substances.
also where is
3alt. money ingest amount of A sufficient to reduce tolerance
[QUOTE=Rick Ross;31798742]Happiness and relaxation wrapped in paper. Worries of the work day melt away at the spark of a cigarette. Anti-tobacco people are sadistic pricks who are intolerant and unhappy and want to take our joy away.
..At least from a smokers perspective.[/QUOTE]
You sure you're not talking about something else that you smoke? :v:
[QUOTE=Contag;31798749]Nice nuanced view you got there
So then if it doesn't kill you in withdrawal, it's not addictive? guess alcohol and benzodiazepines are some of the only addictive substances.
[/QUOTE]
my point was that he was basically saying that physical addiction doesn't exist
I was being hyperbolic
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31797829]Yeah, this is wrong.
[/QUOTE]
I disagree. There are physical mechanisms that make lack of a substance intensely painful and quite motivating to ingest some more, absolutely, but it's still conscious cognitive decision.
[editline]18th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sanius;31798767]my point was that he was basically saying that physical addiction doesn't exist
I was being hyperbolic[/QUOTE]
Ah, fair enough.
Pain is a pretty good motivator.
[QUOTE=bodenlan2;31785636]I have a friend who smokes weed and doesn't even smoke normal cigarettes nor drink alcohol. He starts shaking and shit if he doesn't get it in a while. Plus I have a dad that works with drug addicts as a doctor and he has patients that come to him and tell him that they cant stop smoking weed.[/QUOTE]
People need to understand that weed is non-addictive, just in the physical sense. You don't go through a crazy withdrawal like nicotine if you don't get a joint. The people that go get help for weed like that are the same people who get addicted to things like World of Warcraft or Farmville.
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