• Tobacco: Graphic federal warnings aren’t fair :(
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[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31787290]Well there is the psychosis scare, but I think more research needs to be put into the effects of weed before anyone starts trying to say things are one way or the other.[/QUOTE] And I would agree, more research should be put into that particular issue. However, as it stands right now, it's less harmful than cigarettes and alcohol, is costing tons of federal money in a drug war. It's just not worth it and it doesn't make sense. [editline]17th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=bodenlan2;31787317]last and least I'd just like to say where I stand on it. Most drugs are bad in some way, some more some less. I'm not for legalization because I think it feels stupid to make more drugs legal just to get money from it.[/QUOTE] The reason to legalize it is because it is less harmful than already legalized drugs and we're spending too much money trying to keep it from being available. [editline]17th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=bodenlan2;31787317]last and least I'd just like to say where I stand on it. Most drugs are bad in some way, some more some less. I'm not for legalization because I think it feels stupid to make more drugs legal just to get money from it.[/QUOTE] And it sounds to me like you're willing to ignore facts presented to you in a concise and professional manner simply because you are steadfast in your notion of "drugs are just bad".
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31787318]And I would agree, more research should be put into that particular issue. However, as it stands right now, it's less harmful than cigarettes and alcohol, is costing tons of federal money in a drug war. It's just not worth it and it doesn't make sense. [editline]17th August 2011[/editline] The reason to legalize it is because it is less harmful than already legalized drugs and we're spending too much money trying to keep it from being available.[/QUOTE] Arresting for drug possession is pointless full stop, there's no point in punishing people for hurting themselves
Decriminalization of drug possession will probably result in less harm then rehabilitative criminalization, or punitive criminalization (like in the US).
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31787305]Well let's get more into that. What do you mean they were "messed up" by it?[/QUOTE] as always, you can believe me or not, but I've got a friend who has been smoking for roughly 3,5 years (weed) and the way he has become different is that he's less responsive and the other thing is the abstinence, he starts shaking and sweating when he hasn't had it for a while. Look I respect all your points and it was interesting talking to you since you seemed to do the same :). In the end I think we'll all have different opinions and feeling towards it anyway. I have to go, maybe I'll reply again tomorrow.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31787351]Arresting for drug possession is pointless full stop, there's no point in punishing people for hurting themselves[/QUOTE] That is indeed quite ridiculous.
Brazil already does this for a long time... You can see on the OP that our "advertising" is pretty gross. People still smoke though. NOT A BIG DEAL. [editline]17th August 2011[/editline] GIB CIG PL0S I REPORT U
[QUOTE=bodenlan2;31787381]as always, you can believe me or not, but I've got a friend who has been smoking for roughly 3,5 years (weed) and the way he has become different is that he's less responsive and the other thing is the abstinence, he starts shaking and sweating when he hasn't had it for a while.[/QUOTE] Did you ever stop to think that may not be because of the weed? It sounds a lot more likely that one of these things happened: 1. The weed was laced with something that caused an addiction to something else 2. He had some kind of allergic reaction to it but still enjoyed the high and kept doing it regardless 3. Some other health problem I find one of these much more likely given that I know THC isn't addictive, and I've presented at least 2 sources now to support this. One pro source for my side, and one counter source that I showed was biased to the point of being incorrect.
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;31782869]Selling a product more addictive than Heroin isn't fair either.[/QUOTE] This is completely biased bullshit. "Cigarettes can be more addictive than heroin or cocaine" Mentally, cigarettes are (supposedly) more addictive than heroin and cocaine. Also, they are easy to find, walk in to a convenience store and for less than $10 you get an entire pack. And it's not illegal. Smack and coke are way more expensive, harder to get, and illegal. Once you start doing coke, after about an hour you get an absolutely awful urge to do it again, AKA the "coke crash". Lay out two lines of coke in front of someone, tell them to do one, an hour later tell them to not do another. They'll probably do the next line anyway. Give someone two cigarettes, tell them to smoke one, an hour later ask them to not smoke the other one. They'll have much less of a problem not smoking the cigarette. Once the coke crash is gone, you're back to normal, and have fun paying ridiculous amounts of money for more coke, and avoiding being booked. Cigarettes? Get a $10 bill and walk around with them in your pocket, it's fucking legal. Heroin is a completely different story, once you get physically addicted (Do it for a week straight, your body becomes dependent on it) your body will literally torture itself until it gets the substance flowing through it again. People often relapse from tobacco/alcohol because it's legal and easy as hell to get. snip, Those statistics of how "The average smoker gets 15 years off of their life", "Increased chances of cancer" etc. are based off of people who smoke packs a day. Having some when you're stressed, with friends, one or two a day, it isn't that bad unless you have serious athletic goals. If I were up to a pack a day, imo you're spending too much money for a short stress reliever at the cost of health issues and having ugly teeth.
[QUOTE=bodenlan2;31787381]as always, you can believe me or not, but I've got a friend who has been smoking for roughly 3,5 years (weed) and the way he has become different is that he's less responsive and the other thing is the abstinence, he starts shaking and sweating when he hasn't had it for a while. Look I respect all your points and it was interesting talking to you since you seemed to do the same :). In the end I think we'll all have different opinions and feeling towards it anyway. I have to go, maybe I'll reply again tomorrow.[/QUOTE] Not to mention that there's an even bigger flaw in your argument. If THC is physically addictive, there should theoretically be no way to resist addiction if you continue doing it. By this logic if I can find even just more than 1 person who can do this, I should be able to say it's not addictive. I did not choose this route however because using your friends' experience as you perceived it is not a reliable source.
Just vape.
[QUOTE=GeneralFredrik;31785523]It's pretty fucking clear that secondhand smoke is dangerous. I don't know why people keep saying that secondhand smoke doesn't do anything.[/QUOTE] that's because in practice it really doesn't.
[QUOTE=GunFox;31786474]Am I serious that smoking is an action performed by uneducated or unintelligent people? Yes. Likewise I am also serious that people who do cocaine are likely uneducated or unintelligent. As are people who do meth. EDIT: WAIT FUCK, SHOULD HAVE SAID "As that heart attack you are going to have in two decades" DAMMIT.[/QUOTE] HAHAHAHAHA :frog: You must not live on the planet Earth. Edit: Now I read the post about your Grandfather. :( Still, I've a relative that smokes cigars and he'll probably live to be 100.
I don't understand how someone can be addicted to cigarettes. I smoke socially whenever I'm at a party or something just cause it's nice but I have absolutely no cravings for them after the fact. [editline]17th August 2011[/editline] Do I have a god's willpower or something?
I have to agree with the tobacco companies here. I dislike tobacco as much as the next guy but if I want to smoke, and I sometimes do, I don't want to have to look at a fucking corpse to do so. We all know the harm in smoking tobacco just fine without having these messages shoved down everyone's throat. People need to just make up their own minds on the matter without the government having anything to do with it. Besides, weren't there a couple studies showing these packages did jack shit? It seems the government is always funding things that don't work.
I don't think smoking is that bad. If you have to smoke from ages 18 to 60 to get lung cancer, that's really not that bad. And that's not even guarenteed, you could still live past the average life expectancy.
[QUOTE=Sanius;31786802]that's not even possible[/QUOTE] A mental addiction to anything is possible from my understanding (which isn't the best). And isn't anywhere near as debilitating as a physical addiction would be (to something like Nicotine for example). Smoking is a very dirty habit, the Tobacco companies can't really complain about the warning being put on their product with the amount of shit they have in the cigarettes themselves. I grew up with almost everybody in my family smoking, I lost an aunt to it, my grandmother's sister is essentially fucked because of her chronic smoking, she stays hooked up to breathing apparatus almost all the time, and still refuses to quit, or even accept help with it. My mother used to smoke, my grandmother smoked, my grandfather smoked (he quit quite a while ago actually, while my mother was a child still), my mother quit cold turkey when she found out my brother had asthma, she didn't smoke much so she really didn't have that hard a time doing it. But my grandmother has tried quitting multiple times, always relapsing, it wasn't her being stubborn like her sister, it was her addiction causing them, she was forced to quit to get healthcare in the end. Flat out banning smoking would not cause me a single grievance, it does not solve any problems at all, causing a lot more damage than any possible benefits, at least most other drugs are not as flat out destructive as cigarettes (though that does depend on the method you take them, smoking them is going to fuck you up any way). Stopping a new generation of smokers with scare tactics isn't exactly working, but it has put a few people I know off smoking. I'm all for the freedom to use what drugs we want, but cigarettes are an exception, there are better ways to get Nicotine without causing damage to everyone around you.
[QUOTE=Aman VII;31787852]I don't understand how someone can be addicted to cigarettes. I smoke socially whenever I'm at a party or something just cause it's nice but I have absolutely no cravings for them after the fact. [editline]17th August 2011[/editline] Do I have a god's willpower or something?[/QUOTE] It takes a really long time to get addicted to tobacco. Most seasoned smokers start early and form a habit, THEN they get addicted.
Grandfather example: My Grandpappy got cancer in his 60's because of smoking, so, he went cold turkey, basically slept four weeks, never smoked again. Flash forward twenty years, they find out that cancer formed in his lungs because of ash and tar, one year ago, I watch him fade out and die, right in front of my eyes. I won't deny that I despise smoking, but I will not push to ban it, simply push for harsher taxes, etc. So all and all, the Tobacco companies need to stop whining, but a full out government ban is not a great idea.
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;31787548]Just vape.[/QUOTE] BEST POST OF THREAD Smoking is an archaic form of ingestion. [editline]18th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=mugofdoom;31787974]It takes a really long time to get addicted to tobacco. Most seasoned smokers start early and form a habit, THEN they get addicted.[/QUOTE] This is quite true. In addition to physical addiction, behavioural patterns are fairly hard to shake. I know I smoke like (an average smoker I suppose, but that doesn't have any dramatic flair) a chimney when I'm writing an essay, but not particularly much otherwise.
[QUOTE=Contag;31788004]BEST POST OF THREAD Smoking is an archaic form of ingestion. [/QUOTE] You could eat it
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31788146]You could eat it[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=320190.0;attach=360016;image[/img]
Are there still ignorant fucks here who think weed is bad?
[QUOTE=Contag;31788004]BEST POST OF THREAD Smoking is an archaic form of ingestion. [/QUOTE] I really wish people would listen and switch over. Not only is it healthier, but it saves lodsemone. Plus it's more fun since you can carelessly vape away with mountain dew flavor, for example. (well that's ecigs not tabacco but its better to drop tobacco entirely)
is what I think of that idea.
Could somebody inform me on E-Cigs?
[QUOTE=polarbear.;31788173]Are there still ignorant fucks here who think weed is bad?[/QUOTE] Sadly [editline]17th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zambies!;31788225]Could somebody inform me on E-Cigs?[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPasZT24DdA&feature=channel_video_title[/media]
[QUOTE=bodenlan2;31787381]as always, you can believe me or not, but I've got a friend who has been smoking for roughly 3,5 years (weed) and the way he has become different is that he's less responsive and the other thing is the abstinence, he starts shaking and sweating when he hasn't had it for a while. Look I respect all your points and it was interesting talking to you since you seemed to do the same :). In the end I think we'll all have different opinions and feeling towards it anyway. I have to go, maybe I'll reply again tomorrow.[/QUOTE] "I know a guy who is addicted to weed" is not a valid argument and is a cop out used by people who can't back up their claims. Furthermore this is a thread about tobacco, weed has nothing to do with it.
Thanks Chicken!
[QUOTE=Pepin;31786840]That is no evidence of danger, that is evidence that it has an effect on the air. It's similar to making the claim that lead is dangerous, providing a scientific study that shows that there is lead in lipstick, and then providing no risk assessment for those levels of lead for the typical exposure time. Just don't read the press release because for whatever reason the press release never connects with the data. A good example of this is the WHO study that found no increased risk, yet in the press release they claimed otherwise. Yes, there are legit studies that show negative effects of second hand smoke with children and long term couples where one partner smokes in the bedroom nightly.[/QUOTE] I appreciate the condescension and lack of reading comprehension that I've come to know you for, but I really don't think I need to be told how to find research on a subject when I read environmental control magazines on a regular basis and you're just another libertard who doesn't know what words mean. I give the fuck up, you're incapable of being conversed with. Go home and get your GED, kid.
[QUOTE=bodenlan2;31787197]just jumping a little off topic here but how can it be bad for business if the buyers keep coming back?[/QUOTE] You'd also waste tons of money buying whatever you're cutting the weed with & time make it inconspicious in the weed. That and it's bloody fucking obvious if something isn't what it's supposed to be. [editline]17th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=bodenlan2;31787381]as always, you can believe me or not, but I've got a friend who has been smoking for roughly 3,5 years (weed) and the way he has become different is that he's less responsive and the other thing is the abstinence, he starts shaking and sweating when he hasn't had it for a while. Look I respect all your points and it was interesting talking to you since you seemed to do the same :). In the end I think we'll all have different opinions and feeling towards it anyway. I have to go, maybe I'll reply again tomorrow.[/QUOTE] Psychological, just like kids throwing a fit when you take them off a game console they've been playing all week.
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