• Brexit: Tabloids frothing at the mouth over High Court ruling
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This guy (Conservative MP) [media]https://twitter.com/JohnnyMercerMP/status/795228174758113280[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/JohnnyMercerMP/status/795228530854465536[/media]
[QUOTE=Nerts;51317889]Do you have problems with reading? The border control guy said he couldn't go through without paying a "fee", he was demanding a bribe, it was a low one so it was less trouble to pay it than it was to argue.[/QUOTE] Yeah I get all that but Twenty five rubles Like who the fuck asks for a bribe like that
[QUOTE=EcksDee;51318571]Yeah I get all that but Twenty five rubles Like who the fuck asks for a bribe like that[/QUOTE] I guess his thought process was that I wouldn't have a substantial amount of money to bribe him with anyway so I'd be less likely to make a fuss about it. I expect if the police had stopped me they'd expect a lot more but some scrawny fop who speaks very little Russian isn't likely to be your top target for massive bribes at the border
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51312081]people have the right to get pissed of if they democratically voted for something and now it may not be enacted. Im sorry for the people that are against this but its how democracy works you cant just sit back with a blind eye when its something you dont agree with.[/QUOTE] I assure you, if it were the other way around, Facepunch would be [I]outraged[/I] at this [I]attack on democracy[/I]. But no, democracy only matters when it coincides with your political beliefs!
[QUOTE=Monkah;51319043]I assure you, if it were the other way around, Facepunch would be [I]outraged[/I] at this [I]attack on democracy[/I]. But no, democracy only matters when it coincides with your political beliefs![/QUOTE] non-binding referendum until voted on by parliament apparently everybody missed this part
[QUOTE=Monkah;51319043]I assure you, if it were the other way around, Facepunch would be [I]outraged[/I] at this [I]attack on democracy[/I]. But no, democracy only matters when it coincides with your political beliefs![/QUOTE] Its so much easier to say these things and muddy up the discourse with bitterness than actually think, present reasonable points and contribute something meaningful but i for one think you should be really ashamed at posting this. Grow up dude. Every reasonable person on FP gets why judiciaries matter, and this would be due process regardless of where the vote landed.
[QUOTE=Monkah;51319043]I assure you, if it were the other way around, Facepunch would be [I]outraged[/I] at this [I]attack on democracy[/I]. But no, democracy only matters when it coincides with your political beliefs![/QUOTE] Honestly I don't get why the concept of democracy and it's integrity is that relevant to the whole Brexit thing when you consider that the referendum isn't legally binding, the really fucking close results and all the fear mongering and lies from the leave side. This whole Brexit situation is in a democratic grey-zone the way I see it and I don't see how going through with leaving the EU is neither more or less democratic than staying. The referendum itself wasn't an attack on democracy, the results weren't either and neither is whichever course of action that will be taken following it - the main antagonists to democracy in this situation is the media and the politicians who were behind the spreading of lies.
[QUOTE=Monkah;51319043]I assure you, if it were the other way around, Facepunch would be [I]outraged[/I] at this [I]attack on democracy[/I]. But no, democracy only matters when it coincides with your political beliefs![/QUOTE] Because the Brexit vote was oh so democratic... oh, wait, actually it wasn't, and the fact that Scotland and Northern Ireland can't opt out of it is undemocratic itself. The judges did their job. And they're being attacked from it by those who have shown time and time again to be completely undemocratic and fascist. Try again. EDIT: fuck, if you really wanted to be democratic, we in the Republic of Ireland should have gotten a vote since this absolutely affects us to the last and could lead to violence in my country again. :^)
[QUOTE=Monkah;51319043]I assure you, if it were the other way around, Facepunch would be [I]outraged[/I] at this [I]attack on democracy[/I]. But no, democracy only matters when it coincides with your political beliefs![/QUOTE] the vote going up to the Parliament is very democratic tho
Do people honestly think that a parliamentary vote will be totally unaffected by the referendum result? It's shockingly dishonest to say that this means democracy is being "ignored", especially when it most likely wouldn't even have gone to parliament without the referendum in the first place. Not to mention parliament was democratically elected in the first place.
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;51312939]It has everything to do with it. I've made my point and I already know that due to the demographics of this site, the majority are going to be in "la la la I'm not listening" mode, so whatever. The centralization of governmental power is a very bad idea indeed and most people here don't seem to understand that.[/QUOTE] It's not that people aren't listening It's that you're rambling on and expecting to be taken as a fucking oracle
I'm really glad ph:lyxz is posting all this, because he's a prime example of the type of person that got us into Brexit. Every one of these threads is filled with perfectly rational people from all over the world understanding and explaining how the EU referendum was unrepresentative with no true majority, and how it wasn't legally binding, so we're not locked into a decision that at this point in time seems disastrous. You spend too long on the Internet reading the well thought out, constructed opinions of others, and you forget that it doesn't matter, because an overwhelming amount of British people are like ph:lyxz, terrified of an invisible force that is somehow responsible for all their problems.
On Andrew Marr this morning, Farage said "this isn't about whether Parliament is sovereign" But he's been banging on about how we're a Proud and Patriotic Country that should make its own laws in Our Sovereign Parliament since the referendum was called.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;51322882]On Andrew Marr this morning, Farage said "this isn't about whether Parliament is sovereign" But he's been banging on about how we're a Proud and Patriotic Country that should make its own laws in Our Sovereign Parliament since the referendum was called.[/QUOTE] Yes but Farage is like a game of Big-Rigs over the road racing, he goes faster backwards than he does forwards and when he does go forwards it's a jittery buggy mess.
[QUOTE=Monkah;51319043]I assure you, if it were the other way around, Facepunch would be [I]outraged[/I] at this [I]attack on democracy[/I]. But no, democracy only matters when it coincides with your political beliefs![/QUOTE] I normally try to not post in threads about politics but I'm fucking sick of seeing you blather on about democracy in defence of Brexit. Brexit is by far the strongest arguement against democracy I've seen in my lifetime. A decision which affects not just Britain, but all the countries who trade with them, was made by a populace who were not just uninformed but actively mislead and outright lied to by a group of charlatans looking for a quick way to boost their careers with no care for the consequences. And what of those who mislead the public? Are they being held responsible for what they've brought about? Are they working to ensure all goes well and that what they promised actually comes to fruition? No, they've fucked off like the chickenshit cowards that they are, and worse they're badmouthing the people who are trying to clean up their mess and actively going back on what they've said before. How fucking weak must democracy look from the outside when a group of uninformed and misinformed xenophobes were scared into voting for something which will do nothing but weaken everyone involved? If you support Brexit I won't judge you. I will, however, judge you for sitting on the sidelines and calling due process an "attack on democracy", while you champion lies and twist words. This is no attack on democracy, but you sure are an insult to it.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;51322882]On Andrew Marr this morning, Farage said "this isn't about whether Parliament is sovereign" But he's been banging on about how we're a Proud and Patriotic Country that should make its own laws in Our Sovereign Parliament since the referendum was called.[/QUOTE] Update: Farage has admitted the referendum was only advisory and wants constitutional change to make them binding in future.
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