Former Marine Describes Violent Hazing and the Lies That Covered It Up
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[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51190714]Do you know what he got kicked out for? Is he a shitbag trying to get one last "fuck you" in, or was he squared away?[/QUOTE]
red alert 2, i never knew what it meant, care to explain?
[QUOTE=dasduden;51191543]I'd like to know how the likes of Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn have anything to do with a kid getting thrown into a fucking dryer simply because he was of Islamic faith. Or getting forced to slide around in a squad bay soaked in bleach.[/QUOTE]
The fact that he joined, especially this era, knowing the potential danger, I say he earned everything that came to him. It's like you're just looking for sympathy / lawsuit money at that point. I don't know what else to say, other than wasn't really the best move on anyone's part. He knew what he was getting into. Let's not play the semantics game.
[QUOTE=hijacker;51191577]The fact that he joined, especially this era, knowing the potential danger, I say he earned everything that came to him. It's like you're just looking for sympathy / lawsuit money at that point. I don't know what else to say, other than wasn't really the best move on anyone's part. He knew what he was getting into. Let's not play the semantics game.[/QUOTE]
That still has literally nothing to do with sjws. Or has whatever meaning that term had become so diluted now it means everyone looking for sympathy when you think they don't deserve it.
[QUOTE=hijacker;51191577]The fact that he joined, especially this era, knowing the potential danger, I say he earned everything that came to him. It's like you're just looking for sympathy / lawsuit money at that point. I don't know what else to say, other than wasn't really the best move on anyone's part. He knew what he was getting into. Let's not play the semantics game.[/QUOTE]
You'd have to be brain damaged to make a link between SJW and anything in this article.
[QUOTE=Anderan;51191581]That still has literally nothing to do with sjws. Or has whatever meaning that term had become so diluted now it means everyone looking for sympathy when you think they don't deserve it.[/QUOTE]
Since they're the primary catalyst for all this BS, "touchy feelie awareness" bullshit we're all subjected to on a daily basis, they have everything to do with it. You can't pick and choose little hairs for your argument dude, acknowledge the whole spectrum or don't argue at all.
[QUOTE=hijacker;51191590]Since they're the primary catalyst for all this BS, "touchy feelie awareness" bullshit we're all subjected to on a daily basis, they have everything to do with it. You can't pick and choose little hairs for your argument dude, acknowledge the whole spectrum or don't argue at all.[/QUOTE]
so clearly all those stories of abuse that come out of the military have existed for 30+ years are all because of the SJWs right?
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51191582]You'd have to be brain damaged to make a link between SJW and anything in this article.[/QUOTE]
The overwhelming responses from the mostly regressives is promptly inbound as expected
[QUOTE=hijacker;51191590]Since they're the primary catalyst for all this BS, "touchy feelie awareness" bullshit we're all subjected to on a daily basis, they have everything to do with it. You can't pick and choose little hairs for your argument dude, acknowledge the whole spectrum or don't argue at all.[/QUOTE]
I honestly don't understand what you're trying to actually say. Are you really trying to claim sjws are responsible for people fishing for sympathy? It's a tactic they use, not one they invented or are even remotely responsible for.
[QUOTE=hijacker;51191595]The overwhelming responses from the mostly regressives is promptly inbound as expected[/QUOTE]
I definitely don't consider myself left wing, more moderate than anything. But i guess being moderate doesn't exist with people like you. It's either there's a SJW conspiracy or you ARE the SJW conspiracy
by all means though, keep basing your whole argument on buzzwords
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51191594]so clearly all those stories of abuse that come out of the military have existed for 30+ years are all because of the SJWs right?[/QUOTE]
:words: you get what you sign up for, don't sign up if you can't handle it. you as a person, and largely (a concept most regressives have a hard time grasping, personal accountability, ones own actions) your own actions decide your own demise in this case. I almost promise you there's more to the story here.
[editline]12th October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51191601]I definitely don't consider myself left wing, more moderate than anything. But i guess being moderate doesn't exist with people like you. It's either there's a SJW conspiracy or you ARE the SJW conspiracy
by all means though, keep basing your whole argument on buzzwords[/QUOTE]
Please, most of you haven't the slightest clue of logic.
[QUOTE=hijacker;51191604]:words: you get what you sign up for, don't sign up if you can't handle it. you as a person, and largely (a concept most regressives have a hard time grasping, personal accountability, ones own actions) your own actions decide your own demise in this case. I almost promise you there's more to the story here.[/QUOTE]
Then explain to me why recruiters paint the military in a light that you'll "Get great opportunities, everyone will treat you like a family, boot camp isn't that bad don't worry" by all means, you get a lot of that but why do they fail to mention anything negative, why do they actively cover the hazing up so you DON'T know what you're getting?
why do they feel the need to lie if this is what you sign up for?
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51191610]Then explain to me why recruiters paint the military in a light that you'll "Get great opportunities, everyone will treat you like a family, boot camp isn't that bad don't worry" by all means, you get a lot of that but why do they fail to mention anything negative, why do they actively cover the hazing up so you DON'T know what you're getting?
why do they feel the need to lie if this is what you sign up for?[/QUOTE]
Because that's what they're paid to do? What? Do you literally not understand how recruiters work? That or you're an amazing troll.
[QUOTE=hijacker;51191612]Because that's what they're paid to do? What? Do you not understand how recruiters work?[/QUOTE]
you're not that bright, are you
[QUOTE=hijacker;51191612]Because that's what they're paid to do? What?[/QUOTE]
So because they're paid to deceive young people that makes it okay?
What is your argument even, why do you think it's okay to lie about the hazing? If that's truly what you sign up for, then why aren't they honest about it
[QUOTE=TheHydra;51191614]you're not that bright, are you[/QUOTE]
Oh wait, sorry, I'll set aside my personal knowing of some that are my friends and so on, so fourth, that 4 year stretch? Yeah, that was all a vivid hallucination. I don't know shit, later. I keep forgetting where I am at the end of the day, forgive me.
[QUOTE=hijacker;51191604]you get what you sign up for, don't sign up if you can't handle it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=hijacker;51191612]Because that's what they're paid to do? What? Do you literally not understand how recruiters work? That or you're an amazing troll.[/QUOTE]
You say you shouldn't sign up for something if you can't handle it but then see no issue with recruiters selling it as something almost anyone can handle?
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51191617]So because they're paid to deceive young people that makes it okay?
What is your argument even, why do you think it's okay to lie about the hazing? If that's truly what you sign up for, then why aren't they honest about it[/QUOTE]
Fly out here, naturalize and talk to one, you'll get it then.
[QUOTE=hijacker;51191590]Since they're the primary catalyst for all this BS, "touchy feelie awareness" bullshit we're all subjected to on a daily basis, they have everything to do with it. You can't pick and choose little hairs for your argument dude, acknowledge the whole spectrum or don't argue at all.[/QUOTE]
It's cute that you hate SJWs so much that you feel the need to blame them for everything but this shit has been going on for fifty or so years. This is nowhere near the first time people are trying to put restrictions on bootcamp. The mythical SJW has nothing to do with it.
[QUOTE=hijacker;51191625]Fly out here, naturalize and talk to one, you'll get it then.[/QUOTE]
did you knock your head too much while in the tumble dryer in bootcamp?
Dudes i'm pretty sure he's just a troll and not actually trying to argue.
[QUOTE=hijacker;51191612]Because that's what they're paid to do? What? Do you literally not understand how recruiters work? That or you're an amazing troll.[/QUOTE]
So recruits know what they're getting into... because the recruiters are being paid to sugarcoat things so recruits don't know what they're getting into?
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51191617]So because they're paid to deceive young people that makes it okay?
What is your argument even, why do you think it's okay to lie about the hazing? If that's truly what you sign up for, then why aren't they honest about it[/QUOTE]
While some recruiters straight up lie to you, at the end of the day they're sales people. Do you think you'd sign up if the first thing they told you was "hey man, wanna join the Marines and watch your friends die?" Of course you wouldn't.
There are a lot of benefits, perks, and opportunities in the military. There's no lying anywhere on that, and honest recruiters will tell you so. They don't tell you what you're really in for, but the paperwork you sign does. It's you're own damn fault if you sign it without reading it.
All points and sides on this argument aside, blaming "SJWs" for military issues is dumb lol please consider that things happen outside the internet.
[QUOTE=hijacker;51191604]:words: you get what you sign up for, don't sign up if you can't handle it. you as a person, and largely (a concept most regressives have a hard time grasping, personal accountability, ones own actions) your own actions decide your own demise in this case. I almost promise you there's more to the story here.
[editline]12th October 2016[/editline]
Please, most of you haven't the slightest clue of logic.[/QUOTE]
Idk i'm pretty sure the guy that mod was talking about that gotten put in a dryer for being muslim isn't what he signed up for.
How about we agree that being tough on recruits to get them ready for war is okay but there is a line where things go too far and are just unnecessary.
You said there is definitly more to the story but you are acting like you was there and witness it all. You just dismiss this guys claims saying he is just a pussy who brought upon himself.
I'm not going to take this any further to avoid shitting up the thread but lol
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[QUOTE=Jouska;51191647]Idk i'm pretty sure the guy that mod was talking about that gotten put in a dryer for being muslim isn't what he signed up for.
How about we agree that being tough on recruits to get them ready for war is okay but there is a line where things go too far and are just unnecessary.
You said there is definitly more to the story but you are acting like you was there and witness it all. You just dismiss this guys claims saying he is just a pussy who brought upon himself.[/QUOTE]
Why would you join in the heat of this climate? Unless you've got some sort of agenda to further, or you expect something like this to happen and you're just after that tricare and settlement money. Makes no sense to the rational of any sane person.
Yeah recruiters are just doing their jobs. Mine lied to me about almost everything (though I got the job I wanted and shit) but while I'd rather not communicate with them anymore because of that and a whole lot of other reasons I won't discuss here, but I don't fault them for lying. I blame the chain of command honestly for putting such massive fucking quota demands. I've seen the way senior recruiters snap because it's nearly impossible to scrape the barrel to meet the quota, and that's 90% of the reason they lie to get literally everyone in.
[QUOTE=Pascall;51191643]All points and sides on this argument aside, blaming "SJWs" for military issues is dumb lol please consider that things happen outside the internet.[/QUOTE]
As a vet I get why SJW's were brought up, but they literally have nothing to do with this exact thing. Take the banter elsewhere.
I would like to see some studies on if getting shoved in a dryer, severely beaten by platoon mates, bleach burns, and general torture actually makes a person a better soldier or if it's just sadism under the guise of "becoming a better soldier."
Do other countries' militaries do shit like this? I mean some of the shit here sounds worse than just getting shot and dying. Positive reinforcement is a much better way to instill confidence, trust, fortitude and self-esteem than abuse, and coping strategies seem like something that soldiers should be taught rather than expected to learn after getting their shit kicked in. Trauma is trauma, psychological effects of stuff like this could cause PTSD, anger issues, blunted affect, lack of empathy, major depression, etc. and that could lead to an increase of war crimes in the field or suicides. I don't understand how people just ignore and downplay how terrible this stuff is unless they're traumatized themselves and have basically Stockholm Syndrome from the abuse, rationalizing what they suffered as a good thing rather than something terrible.
Basically there's got to be better ways of making efficient soldiers then torturing them. And the way recruiters sugar coat the military is disgusting, because even if this kind of abuse is the best method to make soldiers they're convincing people who won't be able to cope to join under the guise of free college, benefits, etc. and desperate people will take up that offer.
[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51191653]Yeah recruiters are just doing their jobs. Mine lied to me about almost everything (though I got the job I wanted and shit) but while I'd rather not communicate with them anymore because of that and a whole lot of other reasons I won't discuss here, but I don't fault them for lying. I blame the chain of command honestly for putting such massive fucking quota demands. I've seen the way senior recruiters snap because it's nearly impossible to scrape the barrel to meet the quota, and that's 90% of the reason they lie to get literally everyone in.[/QUOTE]
I remember doing ptad with recruiters. I called over 2,000 people in 2 weeks and got 3 to come in. It was nuts, I'd rather be a DI than a recruiter. Rather be MSG than either of those two though.
[editline]12th October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=SleepyAl;51191658]I would like to see some studies on if getting shoved in a dryer, severely beaten by platoon mates, bleach burns, and general torture actually makes a person a better soldier or if it's just sadism under the guise of "becoming a better soldier."
Do other countries' militaries do shit like this? I mean some of the shit here sounds worse than just getting shot and dying. Positive reinforcement is a much better way to instill confidence, trust, fortitude and self-esteem than abuse, and coping strategies seem like something that soldiers should be taught rather than expected to learn after getting their shit kicked in. Trauma is trauma, psychological effects of stuff like this could cause PTSD, anger issues, blunted affect, lack of empathy, major depression, etc. and that could lead to an increase of war crimes in the field or suicides. I don't understand how people just ignore and downplay how terrible this stuff is unless they're traumatized themselves and have basically Stockholm Syndrome from the abuse, rationalizing what they suffered as a good thing rather than something terrible.
Basically there's got to be better ways of making efficient soldiers then torturing them. And the way recruiters sugar coat the military is disgusting, because even if this kind of abuse is the best method to make soldiers they're convincing people who won't be able to cope to join under the guise of free college, benefits, etc. and desperate people will take up that offer.[/QUOTE]
Russia.
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