• [BREAKING] Its happening. Grand jury has made a decision about Ferguson.
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[QUOTE=ghost901;46568518]A Detroit in the making.[/QUOTE] Please don't say that. Please.
[QUOTE=patq911;46568946]Those things can just as easily be linked to poor people.[/QUOTE] Exactly.
Racism will always exist. We look for differences in other people in order to find motivation to become better or feel pity for those around us.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46568969]I'm waiting for it to take place. Its about to momentarily[/QUOTE] Link?
[QUOTE=john_pelphre;46568961]Oh no I agree; most people in society aren't racist in the slightest. but a lot of people of higher powers also happen to be these sort of bigoted individuals. It makes it difficult for people of color due to them being judged simply for their race. I think as the older generations die out, Global Nomadism will prevail and acceptance will generally be the norm.[/QUOTE] I detailed this a lot earlier in the thread - people aren't aware that they're being racist. There's a stereotype that black people don't tip. Waiters have a negative experience with black customers because of this, and they start treating all black customers in a poor fashion. It's not something they consciously choose to do because they don't like black people, it's just a side effect of how people make mental connections. Same goes for a cop - a white cop in an area where 2/3 of the population is black will see more blacks committing crimes than whites, and he'll see more youth committing crimes than older people, so he'll start unconsciously acting apprehensively towards young black men. It's something that's incredibly difficult to break out of and tends to go unnoticed, but it's a very real thing. Some people would call it microaggression, but that theory focuses more on saying subtly offensive stuff than treating people unequally because of their skin tone. My sister was a waitress for years and she'd complain about black customers who wouldn't tip, but she didn't even realize it was racist until I pointed it out to her. Her closest friend is black, she's dated several black guys, and she's never expressed any sort of disdain towards black people. She's not "a racist," she was being racist.
Twitter's gone full retard from people who are way too hardcore close-minded about this whole thing, its amazing how little lack of insight my peers have when it comes to stuff like this. This is shitty all around. Cop shouldn't have been judged guilty, I'm sorry. This is where me and most of my very-liberal friends will disagree, I suppose. I just don't know how anyone who has payed any attention to this at all outside of social media should have thought he was actually guilty considering the substantial evidence and circumstances. The justice system fails when it falls pressure to social stigma/hivemind anger over hard facts and evidence, and that goes both ways. If there was sufficient evidence that he unlawfully killed this kid, then he would have been charged as such. I think people who actually think that the entire police force and justice system are corrupt because of this are out of their fucking minds, making baseless accusations from a position they have absolutely zero understanding or knowledge of and assume such accusations are true because it neatly fits with their ideology. That is one of the deepest forms of ignorance, and its embarrassing my educated like-minded peers fall prey to it just as easily as the conservatives they are quick to mock. It feels strange for me to say that, because I consider myself like minded and don't align politically conservative at all. Inherent biases a perpetrator might have are not enough of a basis to judge someone to be guilty on, especially if the physical actions that led to the shooting had nothing to do with race (and this is likely, even if the series of events before the aggression did have to do with race). Justice works on actions and intents, not ideals. The moment it works on ideals is the moment it fails entirely. I can't honestly take anyone seriously who thinks that the justice system should work any other way. There is a race issue, even if the shooting itself wasn't hypothetically racially charged at the moment of the gun being fired. Maybe not where most people who are reading stuff like this on the internet live, but inherent race issues are very real especially in places like this. There is a very real bias that could have been at play here, where the officer was more aggressive than normal due to inherent racisms. He might not have been racist himself in an active way, but its very likely he's developed a natural bias against black people from his job and the area he works in. Officers need to do their best to remove bias and treat every single person as if they were like any other. More prominent than that though is the race issue that surrounds the situation. The black community has become more segregated than ever in Fergeson through this event, and the cops/white community effectively have failed at keeping any sort of peace or coping, and instead seem quick to blame them for all the problems that have gone on. People all across the nation are engrossing themselves in this event on a racism level, and while it isn't provable at all that the cop killed the kid [I]because [/I]he was black (far more likely are the inherent biases I just mentioned were at play, on top of heat-of-the-moment aggression from both parties causing fight-or-flight responses to kick in), the fact that such a thing strikes a chord and is a hot button issue on the level of race proves that racism is still a factor that needs addressed in this. Even if the gun wasn't fired because of race, the entire event was made to be about race, and therefore it is still relevant as an issue. There is an issue with police accountability. There's no reason police officers shouldn't be "dash cam'd" on the job just like their cruisers are. There's no reason for there to be such insane riot squads deployed en-masse to instigate a crowd. Sure, turn off the cam for private situations. But in situations where the cop is "on the clock", cams should be on to keep police accountable for their actions and to aid in evidence in court. The cop might have been acting in self defense, the kid might have been a scumbag, but unless you are being attacked with lethal force there is no reason to assume you have to use lethal force. This is a shitty situation all around and I honestly think you are a fool if you think this is as black and white as police corruption, injustice, racism, american pride, thinking cops are always innocent, etc. The rioting is predictable but ridiculous, caused by a storm of angry and confused communities who don't know why this tragedy has happened and don't know what to do other than let their confusion and emotions spill out into the streets. The riots are something nobody should be supporting - they are fueled entirely by racists (on both sides), the ignorant, the anarchists, and those that want to take advantage of a situation to power trip. But they are hardly surprising - its a reflection of the state of our culture and society at this moment, an allergic reaction to something that clearly isn't working. This isn't black and white at all. Its an ugly situation for everyone that is a perfect reflection of our country's social/cultural issues, no matter what you believe happened on the exact moment the gun was fired.
[QUOTE=MrBob1337;46568981]Link?[/QUOTE] I dont have a online feed. I'm watching from a TV. Check the CNN link in the OP
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46568992]I dont have a online feed. I'm watching from a TV. Check the CNN link in the OP[/QUOTE] It's all ads for me.
[QUOTE=KorJax;46568986] This isn't black and white at all. [/QUOTE] Well, technically...
[QUOTE=KorJax;46568986] walllllll There's no reason police officers shouldn't be "dash cam'd" on the job just like their cruisers are.[/QUOTE] The problem, in this specific case, is funding. Ferguson PD does not have dashcams. They dont even have enough Tasers to equip all the officers. [editline]25th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=MrBob1337;46568994]It's all ads for me.[/QUOTE] Same on the TV. I'm also following some Twitter accounts for updates
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46568985]I detailed this a lot earlier in the thread - people aren't aware that they're being racist. There's a stereotype that black people don't tip. Waiters have a negative experience with black customers because of this, and they start treating all black customers in a poor fashion. It's not something they consciously choose to do because they don't like black people, it's just a side effect of how people make mental connections. Same goes for a cop - a white cop in an area where 2/3 of the population is black will see more blacks committing crimes than whites, and he'll see more youth committing crimes than older people, so he'll start unconsciously acting apprehensively towards young black men. It's something that's incredibly difficult to break out of and tends to go unnoticed, but it's a very real thing. Some people would call it microaggression, but that theory focuses more on saying subtly offensive stuff than treating people unequally because of their skin tone. My sister was a waitress for years and she'd complain about black customers who wouldn't tip, but she didn't even realize it was racist until I pointed it out to her. Her closest friend is black, she's dated several black guys, and she's never expressed any sort of disdain towards black people. She's not "a racist," she was being racist.[/QUOTE] So how is one supposed to overcome implicit association?
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46568985]There's a stereotype that black people don't tip.[/QUOTE] It's more than a stereotype. The hard truth is the black people statistically tip less even when everything else is equal: [URL]https://www.hotelschool.cornell.edu/research/chr/pubs/reports/abstract-13851.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46569001]The problem, in this specific case, is funding. Ferguson PD does not have dashcams. They dont even have enough Tasers to equip all the officers.[/QUOTE] lack of funds is really the only "acceptable" reason why a pd doesn't have body cams, and i say "acceptable" because our police departments shouldn't be underfunded at all but that's america for you honestly though it would be worth it just to prevent shit like this from happening as well as an extra layer of accountability to help with the bad apple problem
[QUOTE=KorJax;46568986]There's no reason police officers shouldn't be "dash cam'd" on the job just like their cruisers are.[/QUOTE] Money. Dash cams are only activated when the lights are on, which is not very often. Personal cams have to either be activated 24/7 or by the officer. Obviously the latter isn't really accountable, but the former takes up an enormous amount of storage space (something that makes it cost-prohibitive). Also keep in mind that there are usually many more cops than cars.
[QUOTE=ghost901;46568518]A Detroit in the making.[/QUOTE] Please don't say that. Please.
Lol they just arrested two guys for walking down the street.
For anyone who missed the streams 2 pages ago (where the SWAT are, not the conference or whatever people were talking about), here are two of them: [url]http://www.ustream.tv/channel/stackizshort[/url] [url]http://www.ustream.tv/channel/newsrevo[/url] Also they just arrested someone on the stackizshort stream who was standing on the sidewalk... [b]Edit:[/b] Apparently the cops saying they can be arrested for just being on the balcony part of the coffee shop.
[QUOTE=Snowmew;46569013]Money. Dash cams are only activated when the lights are on, which is not very often. Personal cams have to either be activated 24/7 or by the officer. Obviously the latter isn't really accountable, but the former takes up an enormous amount of storage space (something that makes it cost-prohibitive). Also keep in mind that there are usually many more cops than cars.[/QUOTE] maybe have the cam activate if the officer leaves the cruiser?
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46569001]The problem, in this specific case, is funding. Ferguson PD does not have dashcams. They dont even have enough Tasers to equip all the officers.[/QUOTE] And this is a serious issue in funding impoverished areas. I'm from Texas, and schools from the Hill Country near Austin received thousands more per student from taxes, entirely because the area was wealthy. Because of that, wealthier people received a better education. My area is divided between the very poor blacks and hispanics and the wealthier white population - my high school received thousands less in funding per student than the wealthier area, entirely because they couldn't raise as much tax revenue. The only real solution is to disperse police resources evenly throughout a state. Police forces and schools in impoverished areas are heavily underfunded, especially considering that they usually have to deal with higher rates of crime. Meanwhile, in wealthy areas, police are buying APCs and brand new Dodge cruisers. Poorer areas have decades-old crown vics and really shit equipment.
There's a bunch of people protesting in Oakland right now up north of my city. Apparently on I-580 and burning shit on the street. [url]http://abc7news.com/live/[/url]
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46569025]maybe have the cam activate if the officer leaves the cruiser?[/QUOTE] Still have the issues with urban cops. Plenty of bike cops or simply walking cops that don't even have cruisers in urban areas. For highway patrolmen, that would be ideal. Shit, even low-quality audio recording would be better than nothing and incredibly inexpensive.
Christ, these people bitching that the balcony is private property have no idea what they are talking about... [QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46569025]maybe have the cam activate if the officer leaves the cruiser?[/QUOTE] Would work, but it's still very expensive, not something that small departments would at all be able to afford.
[QUOTE=sgman91;46569006]It's more than a stereotype. The hard truth is the black people statistically tip less even when everything else is equal: [URL]https://www.hotelschool.cornell.edu/research/chr/pubs/reports/abstract-13851.html[/URL][/QUOTE] you're racist as hell dude, you just don't wanna admit it
[url]http://www.ustream.tv/z?utm_campaign=JPER&utm_medium=FlashPlayer&utm_source=embed[/url] People that are outside a coffee shop are about to be arrest for being on a balcony/porch of the shop.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46568977]Racism will always exist. We look for differences in other people in order to find motivation to become better or feel pity for those around us.[/QUOTE] And not only this, but within cultures and ethnic groups, there's always going to be irreconcilable beliefs which each one shall hold on to and swear by against the other. Similarities are what keep us together at the end of the day and keep the peace; we're harmoniously drawn to other people who are like ourselves and think like we think. Differences in religious practices and beliefs, political ideologies, social statuses, etc. always serve to keep us fractured and ensure some form of competition between us. And competition is really what drives all living organisms; we're not the exception to this law of nature. Racism, sexism, elitisms of any sort are irrevocable parts of human nature. If we're not discriminating based on these things, then we'll always find ourselves discriminating against something else. People simply have an instinctual drive to feel superiority and dominance over others because it helps a great deal to validate their existence; some people have this drive more than others do, some strive to have it in different areas of superiority than others do-- good vs. bad, right vs. wrong, rich vs. poor, strong vs. weak, sexually appealing vs. sexually unappealing, etc. We're a bunch of goddamned animals.
[QUOTE=sgman91;46569006]It's more than a stereotype. The hard truth is the black people statistically tip less even when everything else is equal: [URL]https://www.hotelschool.cornell.edu/research/chr/pubs/reports/abstract-13851.html[/URL][/QUOTE] lol
[url]http://www.ustream.tv/z[/url] They're screaming at the police about wanting to stay on private property (front porch, balcony, idk wtf it is), but the police keep saying "no lol." I gotta feeling something's 'bout to happen. [QUOTE=Snapster;46569048][url]http://www.ustream.tv/z?utm_campaign=JPER&utm_medium=FlashPlayer&utm_source=embed[/url] People that are outside a coffee shop are about to be arrest for being on a balcony/porch of the shop.[/QUOTE] Whoops.
[QUOTE=Robman8908;46569062][url]http://www.ustream.tv/z[/url] They're screaming at the police about wanting to stay on private property (front porch, balcony, idk wtf it is), but the police keep saying "no lol." I gotta feeling something's 'bout to happen.[/QUOTE] To be fair they have a point. The business owner is THERE and he is letting them on his property. Police have no right to arrest them on the porch.
[QUOTE=Snowmew;46569013]Money. Dash cams are only activated when the lights are on, which is not very often. Personal cams have to either be activated 24/7 or by the officer. Obviously the latter isn't really accountable, but the former takes up an enormous amount of storage space (something that makes it cost-prohibitive). Also keep in mind that there are usually many more cops than cars.[/QUOTE] Maybe not record video in full HD 1080p
[QUOTE=Robman8908;46569062][url]http://www.ustream.tv/z[/url] They're screaming at the police about wanting to stay on private property (front porch, balcony, idk wtf it is), but the police keep saying "no lol." I gotta feeling something's 'bout to happen.[/QUOTE] They keep whining that the police can't arrest them on private property, not realizing that police are legally permitted to enter any private property to effect an arrest. [QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46569075]Maybe not record video in full HD 1080p[/QUOTE] The most popular one (Taser Axon) records in 480p 30FPS and still can only store 4 hours locally. They charge around $1,200/yr per officer for their cloud-based storage. That is not really a negligible cost. For departments that require using their own storage system, that cost can be over 10x as much.
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