[BREAKING] Its happening. Grand jury has made a decision about Ferguson.
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[QUOTE=Ownederd;46569047]you're racist as hell dude, you just don't wanna admit it[/QUOTE]
Is Cornell racist too?
[QUOTE=sgman91;46569006]It's more than a stereotype. The hard truth is the black people statistically tip less even when everything else is equal: [URL]https://www.hotelschool.cornell.edu/research/chr/pubs/reports/abstract-13851.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
Sure, and black people statistically commit more crime. Reactions like I showed are perfectly reasonable, but people don't typically realize that they could very much be discriminating against a completely innocent person. Maybe that black person would've actually tipped you if you hadn't treated them like shit because you assumed they wouldn't tip you. Maybe that kid would've co-operated with the police if they hadn't approached him in an aggressive, assuming manner.
It's something that is a totally reasonable and natural human reaction, but it's still racial discrimination. I've had interactions with cops that were incredibly positive and friendly, and I happily co-operated because I didn't feel intimidated or pressured. I've also had interactions with cops, especially when with black friends, where they were very cautious and borderline angry for no discernible reason other than that they were worried that the black kid would react poorly. And they likely wouldn't if they weren't treated like shit. It's a cycle that loops back in on itself - cops unconsciously treat blacks poorly, blacks lose trust in the police, and repeat.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46569042]Still have the issues with urban cops. Plenty of bike cops or simply walking cops that don't even have cruisers in urban areas. For highway patrolmen, that would be ideal. Shit, even low-quality audio recording would be better than nothing and incredibly inexpensive.[/QUOTE]
ah yeah, i live in a rural af area so i forgot about foot patrols and such.
i'm sure that eventually the storage amount:size:price ratio for recording equipment will get low enough for body cams to become cost effective for all departments but until then we're stuck with everything being terrible
[QUOTE=sgman91;46569078]Is Cornell racist too?[/QUOTE]
no, you're just using studies and excessively white and fluffy sentences to coat your racism. why do you (a white person) need to explain what you think black people do
saw commentary a bit ago about news reporting on flashbangs but it potentially being just the gas/smoke canisters, and just came across this. Is this normal for any type of canister? are they flashbang-ish and concussive in order to scatter crowds?
[url]https://vine.co/v/O1XVd955Mau[/url]
[QUOTE=john_pelphre;46569005]So how is one supposed to overcome implicit association?[/QUOTE]
Best way is to just be mindful of what you're doing. It's difficult to avoid it. It's way easier to avoid in the serving example, because you only have to treat black customers well without expecting them to skip the tip. Much more difficult when you're a police officer and you're in danger, but it's absolutely possible. Friendly cops that are able to reduce tension in a situation will be able to avoid the sort of confrontation that leads to anti-police attitudes.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46569088]no, you're just using studies and excessively white and fluffy sentences to coat your racism. why do you (a white person) need to explain what you think black people do[/QUOTE]
I literally pointed out that it was more than a stereotype, which is factually is. I did nothing more than point out a misrepresentation of the truth.
A waiter has a limited amount of time and it is in his/her best interest to spend it in a way that maximizes tips. Spending more time at white tables than you do black tables is statistically going to maximize those tips. It's using time effectively, not being unconsciously racist. By asking waiters to spend equal time at black tables as they do white tables you are implicitly asking them to get less overall tips in the name of long term social progress.
Ok so, I'm behind times on stuff like this, but what the generally accepted idea on what happened?
My sister is convinced this was police brutality and slaying of an innocent kid and is in tears about the cop getting off free.
I personally don't know enough to form an opinion.
[QUOTE=dai;46569090]saw commentary a bit ago about news reporting on flashbangs but it potentially being just the gas/smoke canisters, and just came across this. Is this normal for any type of canister? are they flashbang-ish and concussive in order to scatter crowds?
[url]https://vine.co/v/O1XVd955Mau[/url][/QUOTE]
Wouldn't flashbangs be a lot louder and brighter?
[QUOTE=sgman91;46569078]Is Cornell racist too?[/QUOTE]
But i would hope you don't intend every time you see a black person to think about this study and judge them for it.
[QUOTE=dai;46569090]saw commentary a bit ago about news reporting on flashbangs but it potentially being just the gas/smoke canisters, and just came across this. Is this normal for any type of canister? are they flashbang-ish and concussive in order to scatter crowds?
[url]https://vine.co/v/O1XVd955Mau[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=wikipedia]Tear gas grenades are similar to smoke grenades in terms of shape and operation. In tear gas grenades the filler is generally 80 to 120 grams of CS gas combined with a pyrotechnic composition which burns to generate an aerosol of CS-laden smoke.[/QUOTE]
That's all it is. Flashbangs are much louder and much brighter.
[QUOTE=sgman91;46569110]I literally pointed out that it was more than a stereotype, which is factually is. I did nothing more than point out a misrepresentation of the truth.
A waiter has a limited amount of time and it is in his/her best interest to spend it in a way that maximizes tips. Spending more time at white tables than you do black tables is statistically going to maximize those tips. It's using time effectively, not being unconsciously racist.[/QUOTE]
No, it's being racist. Not all black people don't tip - many tip at a higher rate to "make up" for that stereotype. It's nothing to do with efficiency. Someone has to serve them anyways. If they don't tip, and they return, feel free to give those individuals poor service, but don't make assumptions that everyone with dark skin is going to tip poorly. That's absolutely racial discrimination. The statistics don't matter - you're literally profiling people and choosing not to interact with them.
[QUOTE=john_pelphre;46569120]But i would hope you don't intend every time you see a black person to think about this study and judge them for it.[/QUOTE]
Statistical significance comes into play when one is ignorant of the situation. When dealing with individuals where you have time to actually get to know someone statistics generally go out the window.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46569127]No, it's being racist. Not all black people don't tip - many tip at a higher rate to "make up" for that stereotype. It's nothing to do with efficiency. Someone has to serve them anyways. If they don't tip, and they return, feel free to give those individuals poor service, but don't make assumptions that everyone with dark skin is going to tip poorly. That's absolutely racial discrimination. The statistics don't matter - you're literally profiling people and choosing not to interact with them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=sgman91;46569128]Statistical significance comes into play when one is ignorant of the situation. When dealing with individuals where you have time to actually get to know someone statistics generally go out the window.[/QUOTE]
Just stop. There are black people that tip well, black people that don't tip well, white people that tip well, white people that don't tip well, and Steve Buscemi never tips.
Argument over.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46569127]No, it's being racist. Not all black people don't tip - many tip at a higher rate to "make up" for that stereotype. It's nothing to do with efficiency. Someone has to serve them anyways. If they don't tip, and they return, feel free to give those individuals poor service, but don't make assumptions that everyone with dark skin is going to tip poorly. That's absolutely racial discrimination. The statistics don't matter - you're literally profiling people and choosing not to interact with them.[/QUOTE]
Black people statistically tip less than white people for the same service. This is a fact (unless you want to dispute the truth of the Cornell study).
This means that over a large number of tables you will receive more tips by spending your scarce time giving better service to white people who will in turn statistically give larger tips.
[editline]25th November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Robman8908;46569136]Just stop. There are black people that tip well, black people that don't tip well, white people that tip well, white people that don't tip well, and Steve Buscemi never tips.
Argument over.[/QUOTE]
People need to learn how statistics work.
[QUOTE=sgman91;46569146]Black people statistically tip less than white people for the same service. This is a fact (unless you want to dispute the truth of the Cornell study).
This means that over a large number of tables you will receive more tips by spending your scarce time giving better service to white people who will in turn statistically give larger tips.[/QUOTE]
why do u think ur qualified to represent what u think black people do at all lol
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46569152]why do u think ur qualified to represent what u think black people do at all lol[/QUOTE]
... because a study was preformed and the results showed what I'm saying?
So this Z guy's stream... someone showed him video on his phone of fires in the city, but his videos had him in the center, blocking nearly all of the "footage"... who the fuck takes a selfie vid in a riot? My fuckin' generation, man.
[QUOTE=sgman91;46569155]... because a study was preformed and the results showed what I'm saying?[/QUOTE]
you sharing a study doesn't change the fact that you're a massive closet racist, especially considering your past history w/ anything related to black people
"It's a flashbang, CS gas, and rubber bullets at the same time"
Mmmm, misinformation. Gotta love this moron telling people he was pelted with exactly what a Hornet's Nest grenade isn't.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46569168]you sharing a study doesn't change the fact that you're a massive closet racist, especially considering your past history w/ anything related to black people[/QUOTE]
No ur racist! /sarcasm
See I can do it too!
[QUOTE=sgman91;46569146]Black people statistically tip less than white people for the same service. This is a fact (unless you want to dispute the truth of the Cornell study).
This means that over a large number of tables you will receive more tips by spending your scarce time giving better service to white people who will in turn statistically give larger tips.
[editline]25th November 2014[/editline]
People need to learn how statistics work.[/QUOTE]
Well, then, do that. You're still racist for choosing not to serve black people. I don't give a shit that they're "statistically less likely to tip," you're still a piece of shit for profiling anyone with dark skin as a bad tipper. If you could physically look at someone and say "they're poor," you wouldn't serve them, either, because they'd tip worse than a wealthy person. That's all discriminatory.
You also missed the entire point I made with my above posts. Why do they statistically tip poorly? Is it because they receive worse service? Because they're more likely to be impoverished? There's factors beyond "that's what the statistics say."
Seriously, you can open a restaurant and say "we don't serve black people here because they're less likely to tip - it's not racism, it's just for efficiency!" You'd get penalized and fined up the ass in seconds until you changed that policy. It's no different for an individual - don't try to veil the fact that you've openly admitted that you would discriminate against black people solely because of "efficiency" or "statistics." Shit, admit that to your manager and you'd probably find yourself fired if a black person lodged a complaint about your consistently poor service.
[QUOTE=Snowmew;46569169]"It's a flashbang, CS gas, and rubber bullets at the same time"
Mmmm, misinformation. Gotta love this moron telling people he was pelted with exactly what a Hornet's Nest grenade isn't.[/QUOTE]
And he wouldn't shut up about it either.
[QUOTE=sgman91;46569172]No ur racist! /sarcasm
See I can do it too![/QUOTE]
are u really this indignant to your past history on this forum
it's easier to deny it and u shouldn't
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46569174]You also missed the entire point I made with my above posts. Why do they statistically tip poorly? Is it because they receive worse service? Because they're more likely to be impoverished? There's factors beyond "that's what the statistics say."[/QUOTE]
You obviously didn't read the link at all because it clearly stated that economic conditions and service provided were controlled. A difference existed even when all other things were equal, even down to the color of the waiters skin.
New statistics in, "3 out of like 50, I dunno, Facepunch members like to bitch about statistics on race for too long."
Straight out of Cornarvard-Oxfjord.
[QUOTE=Eva-1337;46569112]Ok so, I'm behind times on stuff like this, but what the generally accepted idea on what happened?
My sister is convinced this was police brutality and slaying of an innocent kid and is in tears about the cop getting off free.
I personally don't know enough to form an opinion.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.policeone.com/ferguson/articles/7782643-Why-Officer-Darren-Wilson-wasnt-indicted/[/url]
This article is rather short but it explains why Wilson was justified in using lethal force and what not. If you go back some pages there is a link to Wilson's testimony and account of the events; these provide a fairly clear account of the shooting and the events that followed.
[QUOTE=Robman8908;46569189]New statistics in, "3 out of like 50, I dunno, Facepunch members like to bitch about statistics on race for too long."
Straight out of Cornarvard-Oxfjord.[/QUOTE]
You're the one responding ;)
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[QUOTE=Exooodus;46569177]And he wouldn't shut up about it either.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Drinking game: drink every time he says "hornet's nest".[/QUOTE]
And then this guy wearing a kevlar jacket to protect himself from sting nades, what a complete idiot...
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