• [BREAKING] Its happening. Grand jury has made a decision about Ferguson.
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[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46571316]Yeah I know. I'm just saying I disagree with that decision, even if I don't necessarily believe he is guilty[/QUOTE] Join the club. I think I remember someone many pages back posting that the federal investigation is still under way though?
[QUOTE=Explosions;46571209]It would put him into a position where a false conviction would be possible.[/QUOTE] Isn't that a risk that all trials have? Innocent people are sometimes jailed and killed by the state. [editline]25th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Pilot1215;46571320]Get over it, the fucking case is closed, the Justice system works.[/QUOTE] That's pretty debatable, actually.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;46571320]Actually she got 4 years, she accepted a plea deal. Yes agree her case was bullshit, they need to rework the law because of that. Brown and the cop got into a scuffle, of which the cop ended up shooting Brown. The witnesses who claimed brown got shot in the back( Which this helped start riots I may add) were proven to be liars(by the autopsies). Plenty of evidence was shown to the jury, who then used that evidence to make the decision. None of us were there, we didn't see what happened, nor were we in the jury. Get over it, the fucking case is closed, the Justice system works. When it comes to the Brown case, make cops wear body cameras, make it so they can't switch it off when they want, and I guarantee this will stop being a huge problem. I may add I am kind of just ranting at everything at this point, and I don't mean to offend anyone. Love you all <3[/QUOTE] so he wasn't shot in the back. that doesn't mean he wasn't executed by a headshot.
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[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46571220]Yeah like I don't think Mike Brown is the greatest poster child for police slayings but if it were a civilian shooting in a controversial self defense claim would they not have to stand trial? Marissa Alexander got 20 years for a fucking warning shot[/QUOTE] I don't want to compare the two especially as I don't remember the case, but "Warning Shot" has vastly different implications from a generic, public understanding of the word and how the law sees it. Warning shots are, at the least, considered an unlawful or ignorant discharge of a gun - or at worst, threat with a deadly weapon or attempted murder. From what little I remember about the law pertaining to firearm use, it should only be discharged near or at other people (obviously barring ranges) if you intend to shoot and kill for a valid reason. Anything else is unlawful.
Holy shit I regret not watching the live feeds
[QUOTE=lintz;46571110]There's no evidence at all. [url]http://apps.stlpublicradio.org/ferguson-project/evidence.html[/url] Imagine prosecuting someone [url]http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370715-2014-5143-autopsy-report.html[/url] without evidence [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/22/michael-brown-shooting_n_6030220.html[/url] [url]http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/08/_5_eyewitness_accounts_of_michael_brown_s_shooting.html[/url] [url]http://www.salon.com/2014/08/24/darren_wilsons_former_police_force_was_disbanded_for_excessive_force_and_corruption/[/url] but it's ok.[/QUOTE] Did you actually read any of what you posted, or did you just post a bunch of things that used the word "evidence"? The hardest evidence in what you offer for some criminal proceeding is only testimonial. In fact you even link to an article that says there are eyewitnesses who corroborate the [I]Officer's[/I] account of events.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;46571385]Did you actually read any of what you posted, or did you just post a bunch of things that used the word "evidence"? The hardest evidence in what you offer for some criminal proceeding is only testimonial. In fact you even link to an article that says there are eyewitnesses who corroborate the [I]Officer's[/I] account of events.[/QUOTE] woah but he posted so many links there so much blue in that post man he's got to be right
Everybody's [U]really[/U] concerned that Wilson would be wrongfully incarcerated for manslaughter, or even get a trial in the first place... It's a good thing that no one ever gets sent to jail or gets the death penalty for false accusations.
[QUOTE=Doom14;46571364]I don't want to compare the two especially as I don't remember the case, but "Warning Shot" has vastly different implications from a generic, public understanding of the word and how the law sees it. Warning shots are, at the least, considered an unlawful or ignorant discharge of a gun - or at worst, threat with a deadly weapon or attempted murder. From what little I remember about the law pertaining to firearm use, it should only be discharged near or at other people (obviously barring ranges) if you intend to shoot and kill for a valid reason. Anything else is unlawful.[/QUOTE] She was in her own home being assaulted by her estranged husband. If he made another physical move at her she would have been justified in shooting him. Don't see why not being aware of the legality of a warning shot in that tense situation warrants 20 years (though she took a plea bargain apparently so that's good)
Well it also had to do with the bullshit 10-20-Life law [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/10-20-life.png[/img]
I was awoken this morning by a phone call from my Walmart, they said they are looking for volunteers to unload trucks at a Walmart closer to the violence for no extra pay (other than gas differential). Apparently there were mass call-ins due to the riots at several Walmart stores.
[QUOTE=Saigon;46571476]I was awoken this morning by a phone call from my Walmart, they said they are looking for volunteers to unload trucks at a Walmart [B]closer to the violence for no extra pay[/B] (other than gas differential). Apparently there were mass call-ins due to the riots at several Walmart stores.[/QUOTE] Man that just grinds my gears, I hope you were able to say no.
The police keep saying they "weren't under prepared." That statement doesn't seem to match the events of last night though. They probably should have had the National Guard there right off the bat (or at least ready to deploy at the first signs of trouble).
[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;46571507]Man that just grinds my gears, I hope you were able to say no.[/QUOTE] You still get paid, i assume your hourly wage, but no extra pay. And they pay you for gas. Not too mention you volunteer for it, its not mandatory.
[QUOTE=Hellreaver;46571557]Michael Brown family statement: Fuck you. Your son tried to kill a cop with his own fucking gun, and you have the balls to try and blame the poor fucker for defending himself? I'm so tired of this fucking "muh baby din dun nuffin" attitude when witesses and scientific evidence both line up to tell the exact same story. Don't try to get somebody else a shit ton of jailtime because your son got violent and got himself killed while he was trying to avoid his.[/QUOTE] Chasing after him and 6 bullets is defending yourself :downs:
[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;46571507]Man that just grinds my gears, I hope you were able to say no.[/QUOTE] I respectfully declined. I would usually volunteer for such things, but if they want me to drive through a potentially violent area to unload trucks with a skeleton crew for 9-hours, without receiving a temporary pay increase (to match that of normal truck unloaders), then I'm not going to volunteer.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;46571559]You still get paid, i assume your hourly wage, but no extra pay. And they pay you for gas. Not too mention you volunteer for it, its not mandatory.[/QUOTE] I think when there is enough risk that everyone calls off because a mob might burst in and start looting your store, you deserve an extra dollar or two for volunteering. Also, I don't know if you've ever worked somewhere like walmart before because when shit goes down and they call you to "volunteer" they are usually coercing you. I obviously don't know if his manager is a dick like that, or even if that happens in other parts of the country which is why I said I hope he was [B]able[/B] to say no. Seriously Saigon, be careful out there. Edit: Nice, I'm glad you didn't have to go.
[QUOTE=Hellreaver;46571557]Michael Brown family statement: Fuck you. Your son tried to kill a cop with his own fucking gun, and you have the balls to try and blame the poor fucker for defending himself? I'm so tired of this fucking [B]"muh baby din dun nuffin"[/B] attitude when witesses and scientific evidence both line up to tell the exact same story. Don't try to get somebody else a shit ton of jailtime because your son got violent and got himself killed while he was trying to avoid his.[/QUOTE] There hasn't been a trial to determine whether the evidence truly points to him acting in self-defense, or that Mike was murdered. Racial tension and police corruption are crazy precedent in the US, and I'm honestly surprised at how calm and restrained Mike's surviving family have been. I'd also love to know how the bolded, and the use of the term "thug" I've seen some posters use are not incredibly friggin' racist when considering history of many places in the US.
[QUOTE=QuickSnapz;46571582]Chasing after him and 6 bullets is defending yourself :downs:[/QUOTE] I hear a new way how he was killed every single day.
The media keeps saying that they were having batteries thrown at them. Why would someone throw batteries? Batteries are expensive and it seems like a rather arbitrary weapon (and not much more effective than say, rocks).
[QUOTE=Hellreaver;46571658]"Somebody got killed after an attempted robbery and assaulting an officer. This is obviously a race issue. Let's trash the city!" What a fucking ignorant reaction from the community.[/QUOTE] The GODDAMN KKK headed over to Ferguson to support Wilson, but that's definitely not a sign it's a race issue??
[QUOTE=Saigon;46571694]The media keeps saying that they were having batteries thrown at them. Why would someone throw batteries? Batteries are expensive and it seems like a rather arbitrary weapon (and not much more effective than say, rocks).[/QUOTE] For some reason they've always been the weapon of choice for people who are angry. (Especially sports fans)
[QUOTE=Levithan;46571697]The GODDAMN KKK headed over to Ferguson to support Wilson, but that's definitely not a sign it's a race issue??[/QUOTE] So when the WBC protests a soldier's funeral, it's a homophobic issue?
He actually was strangled to death by the cop's bare hands while giving out candy and vaccines to impoverished children
[QUOTE=Dougz;46571709]For some reason they've always been the weapon of choice for people who are angry. (Especially sports fans)[/QUOTE] That's interesting, I didn't know that. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Levithan;46571697]The GODDAMN KKK headed over to Ferguson to support Wilson, but that's definitely not a sign it's a race issue??[/QUOTE] That's basically the same thing but the other side of the spectrum.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46569127]No, it's being racist. Not all black people don't tip - many tip at a higher rate to "make up" for that stereotype. It's nothing to do with efficiency. Someone has to serve them anyways. If they don't tip, and they return, feel free to give those individuals poor service, but don't make assumptions that everyone with dark skin is going to tip poorly. That's absolutely racial discrimination. The statistics don't matter - you're literally profiling people and choosing not to interact with them.[/QUOTE] As a deliver driver I'm not going to lie when I say I have inherent racial biases delivering to certain high-black-population neighborhoods in terms of tipping. Fact of the matter is, the majority of black people who live in these neighborhoods do not tip. The stereotype exists for a reason, even if its a racially informed reason. That said, I try not to be biased if I've never delivered to someone before who lives in these neighborhoods and I always strive to remember those that do tip in these places but I (and everyone else I work with) will naturally prioritize bad-tipping neighbhoords less than those that are not, unless the guy who ordered is someone we know who tips well. At the same time, there are black people who do tip and do tip well that live in such places. But its silly to not pretend that its vastly uncommon. I think it has less to do with race and more to do with neighborhood culture, since this applies to white people who live the same way. You can tell when you are going to get a tip from someone and when you aren't. People who take 5 minutes to get to the door, have an air of self-centeredness around them, people who are very "thug" or who romanticise the thug lifestyle, those who generally come off as not too intelligent, or those who are simply poor but don't mind spending $20 for a large pizza and have lots of nice furniture (bad with money). These are all very consistent signs of getting a no tip and tend to be consistent in black-dominant neighborhoods. But honestly, I run into the same thing in white-dominant "redneck" neighborhoods.
[QUOTE=Saigon;46571722]That's interesting, I didn't know that. Thanks.[/QUOTE] Philadelphia is famous for it. [url]http://deadspin.com/5780992/philadelphia-inquirer-encourages-fans-to-throw-batteries-at-bostons-jd-drew[/url]
[QUOTE=Levithan;46571697]The GODDAMN KKK headed over to Ferguson to support Wilson, but that's definitely not a sign it's a race issue??[/QUOTE] One side has racists and the other has people burning their city. It's not fair to generalize either side for those fringe groups.
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