• [BREAKING] Its happening. Grand jury has made a decision about Ferguson.
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[QUOTE=Saigon;46571694]The media keeps saying that they were having batteries thrown at them. Why would someone throw batteries? Batteries are expensive and it seems like a rather arbitrary weapon (and not much more effective than say, rocks).[/QUOTE] You'd think rocks were just everywhere when your pissed off and want to throw something but you'd be surprised how hard they are to find in the heat of the moment, especially in a city. Batteries are small, have a good weight to them and you can fit a ton in your pocket, not to mention that people might have a radio or something to listen to the news which doubles as a projectile later on when you've decided you didn't like what the news had to say.
[QUOTE=Saigon;46571715]So when the WBC protests a soldier's funeral, it's a homophobic issue?[/QUOTE] I understand the point you're trying to make, but the KKK is a white terrorist organization with a history of murdering black people, whereas the WBC is itself a cult that hasn't yet gone out and lynched anyone.
[URL="http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=b493e6c4d31beda32fdaf8e2d&id=73514e334b"]The National Bar Association has spoken out on the verdict.[/URL] Any credibility/weight to this source?
[QUOTE=Hellreaver;46571557]"muh baby din dun nuffin" attitude[/quote] [quote]Edit: I'd absolutely love seeing the people rating this dumb come up with a counter argument.[/QUOTE] you dumb racist idiot, you don't deserve a fucking counter argument to this shitty post because all you did was ~hilariously stereotype black people~ great job
[QUOTE=Levithan;46571697]The GODDAMN KKK headed over to Ferguson to support Wilson, but that's definitely not a sign it's a race issue??[/QUOTE] The black panthers headed over to support Brown, they are probably worse than modern day KKK. Just because these assholes show up does not mean its a race issue and putting attention on race for this wont solve a single thing at all.
[QUOTE=Levithan;46571750]I understand the point you're trying to make, but the KKK is a white terrorist organization with a history of murdering black people, whereas the WBC is itself a cult that hasn't yet gone out and lynched anyone.[/QUOTE] My point was that they're a very minor group and their presence alone doesn't automatically make something "racist," just as the WBC's presence at an event doesn't automatically make it "homophobic." Calling the police and civilians who support the police "racist" would be just as wrong as someone saying that "there are no good people in Ferguson." Both statements are wrong and these people shouldn't be painted with a broad brush because of the actions of a small minority.
[QUOTE=Ager O'Eggers;46571751][URL="http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=b493e6c4d31beda32fdaf8e2d&id=73514e334b"]The National Bar Association has spoken out on the verdict.[/URL] Any credibility/weight to this source?[/QUOTE] that link is actually the press release from the national bar association. follow the 'press releases' button at their [url=http://www.nationalbar.org/newsroom.html]newsroom page[/url], you'll find a few from the 24th including your link [QUOTE=Saigon;46571775]My point was that they're a very minor group and their presence alone doesn't automatically make something "racist," just as the WBC's presence at an event doesn't automatically make it "homophobic." Calling the police and civilians who support the police "racist" would be just as wrong as someone saying that "there are no good people in Ferguson." Both statements are wrong and these groups shouldn't be painted with a broad brush because of the actions of a small minority.[/QUOTE] I keep seeing this comparison like it nullifies anything. let's take that back a step- WBC at a soldier's funeral would usually be under the pretense of some dumb shit that they know will spark issues. This is their intent, to make people angry and act in a way that paints them in a bad light and allows the WBC to take legal action against them. This is a money making scheme they've been lawyering up forever and everybody knows this by now. So in a more relevant light, if the WBC protests a gay soldier's funeral to call him gay and a sinner and tell his grieving family he's going to hell, it's a gay issue for the people being victimized at the dead's expense, and blatant abuse of systems in place that protect the WBC and potentially harm other financially. if the KKK goes to a town specifically to tell the protesters who are rallying up in the name of a black guy and more broadly about the treatment of their black community by authorities, I'm not sure there are many dots to connect in this puzzle before asking yourself if they've got some kind of agenda to forward. Like, pushing the stereotype that blacks are thuggish violent rioters while the white knights protect the fair citizens of this land
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[QUOTE=Hellreaver;46571772]What? I literally didn't mention their race throughout my whole post. Dig your head out of your arse before you shitpost.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Hellreaver;46571772]"muh baby din dun nuffin"[/QUOTE] That sounds like some type of racist stereotype but I just can't put my finger on it. [IMG]http://bgg2wlplugins.bgg2wl.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/aunt-jemima-racist-ads.jpg[/IMG] Lawsee! I jus' cain't remembuh.
[QUOTE=Hellreaver;46571772]What? I literally didn't mention their race throughout my whole post. Dig your head out of your arse before you shitpost.[/QUOTE] The very fact that you simplified their educated statement as "my baby din dun nuffin" is pretty racist. [QUOTE]Fuck you.[/QUOTE] Saying this to parents who are surprised that their son didn't get the justice they think he deserves is not at all right either.
[QUOTE=Hellreaver;46571772]What? I literally didn't mention their race throughout my whole post. Dig your head out of your arse before you shitpost.[/QUOTE] haha so you see everyone this is exactly how racism continues in america it is generally fitting that society's lowest common denominator is never aware of their status as such
So he isn't going to jail? That's good I guess. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Pnukup alt" - SteveUK))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46571766]The black panthers headed over to support Brown, they are probably worse than modern day KKK. Just because these assholes show up does not mean its a race issue and putting attention on race for this wont solve a single thing at all.[/QUOTE] Honestly the Black Panthers are more respectable in that they opposed police brutality and promoted social programs than a group that has history of supporting white supremacy and MURDERING MINORITIES. If you're talking about the New Black Panthers, then you have a point since their tenets are much more hateful and supremacist compared to the party they're based on.
This entire spectacle sucks. If he went to jail, there would have been riots about a lack of a justification behind it but since he didn't, there are riots about a lack of racial justice in the system I'm not sure which of the two would have been worse... I doubt that this entire case will ever be dropped though, at least for a while.
[QUOTE=Levithan;46571697]The GODDAMN KKK headed over to Ferguson to support Wilson, but that's definitely not a sign it's a race issue??[/QUOTE] Imagine posting this unironically.
[QUOTE=Hellreaver;46571850]...except that's not what racist means? I'm referring to the family sticking their fingers in their ear and who refuse to listen to evidence such as he was shot POINT BLANK with the gun in the arm and keep insisting that their son was the victim. He wasn't.[/QUOTE] it's not your overall statement that's the issue, it's that you went and made an asshat of yourself by throwing around ~blackspeak~ to explain how ignorant of the matter you think they are. I understand what you were trying to get at but that was far from elegant
[QUOTE=MasterKade;46571852] If he went to jail, there would have been riots about a lack of a justification behind it[/QUOTE] Yeah no that wouldn't be a thing
I feel like some people are too quick to assume that every time something unfortunate happens, that it means a crime has been committed and punishment must come to the prosecuted party. Sometimes, in life, unfortunate things happen, and it's not really anyone's fault. It's called learning to forgive. You play the victim card too much, it starts to feel disingenuous. It's an everyone loses situation, might as well just forgive and move on. Not all situations are like this, but sometimes you need to pay a little closer attention, look at things from a different point of view, and realize when you're wrong.
[QUOTE=lintz;46571352]so he wasn't shot in the back. that doesn't mean he wasn't executed by a headshot.[/QUOTE] Execution by headshot usually denotes a close range shot, the only close range shot was to the hand. He was shot in the head, and it was fatal, the officer thought he was in danger and that is why he did it.
[QUOTE=lintz;46571352]so he wasn't shot in the back. that doesn't mean he wasn't executed by a headshot.[/QUOTE] This is what being executed by a headshot looks like: [img]https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/ho-ho-so-sorry-charlie.jpg[/img] Did this happen in Ferguson?
[QUOTE=ThePanther;46571908]I feel like some people are too quick to assume that every time something unfortunate happens, that it means a crime has been committed and punishment must come to the prosecuted party. Sometimes, in life, unfortunate things happen, and it's not really anyone's fault. It's called learning to forgive. You play the victim card too much, it starts to feel disingenuous. It's an everyone loses situation, might as well just forgive and move on. Not all situations are like this, but sometimes you need to pay a little closer attention, look at things from a different point of view, and realize when you're wrong.[/QUOTE] He shot an 18 year old boy 6 times. That isn't something unfortunate it's fucking homicide.
It's upsetting that all this had to happen like it did, but it really baffles me how many people just blatantly ignore the evidence that clearly shows it wasn't some poor guy being executed, there was a struggle and he got shot during it. The racial issue of not trusting the police doesn't really have anything to do with just making things up to make this case sound bad but so many people keep doing it. I just can't understand where some people are getting the false info. Hopefully more people get the real story and this starts to cool down, or they can at least use something that actually makes sense as an example of racism.
[QUOTE=UzumakaiPatch;46571991]He shot an 18 year old boy 6 times. That isn't something unfortunate it's fucking homicide.[/QUOTE] I thought it was self defense.
[QUOTE=Saturdaythe14;46571993]It's upsetting that all this had to happen like it did, but it really baffles me how many people just blatantly ignore the evidence that clearly shows it wasn't some poor guy being executed, there was a struggle and he got shot during it.[/QUOTE] he did get shot but non-fatally. The fatal shots occurred after the struggle after he started to run and turned around, when the officer feared he was about to charge at him. Whether or not he actually was we'll never know but I don't think most people would choose to charge at the dude with the gun trained on them.
[QUOTE=Hulgi;46572028]I thought it was self defense.[/QUOTE] Homicide is a human killing a human.
[QUOTE=UzumakaiPatch;46572036]Homicide is a human killing a human.[/QUOTE] Technically yes, but the connotation you used is obvious.
[QUOTE=Hellreaver;46571902]I'm not saying they're ignorant of the matter - I'm saying they're denying it. Like, if you genuinely believe I'm trolling for the sake of being racist then go ahead and ban me, no hard feelings. I'd be making the same argument whatever ethnicity they were.[/QUOTE] I don't think you're trolling, I just think you made a poor choice trying to imply that the parents, who I think have been great despite all of the stress they are going through, are just some black people speaking ebonics and denying logic and reason so they can play the race card. These people lost their child, and instead of calling for blood in the streets they are calling for body cams on officers. Now imagine that you went and reduced all of that into, [QUOTE=Hellreaver;46571557]"muh baby din dun nuffin"[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=UzumakaiPatch;46572036]Homicide is a human killing a human.[/QUOTE] So if someone attacks you and you defend yourself, you are guilty of murder, if it has to come to that?
[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;46572050]I don't think you're trolling, I just think you made a poor choice trying to imply that the parents, who I think have been great despite all of the stress they are going through, are just some black people speaking ebonics and denying logic and reason so they can play the race card. These people lost their child, and instead of calling for blood in the streets they are calling for body cams on officers. Now imagine that you went and reduced all of that into,[/QUOTE] He's got a point, as much as I hate the racism both whites and blacks are showing towards each other now, this ain't fucking helping. I'm supporting you Eko, not Hellreaver in case there's confusion there.
Have any bookshops been looted? I recall in instances like these that bookshops generally tend to remain unscatched while shops next to them are looted.
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