[BREAKING] Its happening. Grand jury has made a decision about Ferguson.
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[QUOTE=Hulgi;46572059]So if someone attacks you and you defend yourself, you are guilty of murder, if it has to come to that?[/QUOTE]
That's how self-defense works. You're committing a crime to prevent a crime upon your person, property, or another's person/property.
[QUOTE=Deng;46572087]Have any bookshops been looted? I recall in instances like these that bookshops generally tend to remain unscatched while shops next to them are looted.[/QUOTE]
are we supposed to be keeping tabs? seems like the nerds who were doing nothing but listening to the police scanner got bored of it
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46572034]he did get shot but non-fatally. The fatal shots occurred after the struggle after he started to run and turned around, when the officer feared he was about to charge at him. Whether or not he actually was we'll never know but I don't think most people would choose to charge at the dude with the gun trained on them.[/QUOTE]
I think this is pretty much the point, if the only evidence we have is there was indeed a struggle and he got shot purely because he attacked the officer, is there really any right for people to just [I]assume[/I] he got killed while he tried to run away? Didn't the autopsies prove there were no back shots?
Either way, I understand people are very upset over it, but creating situations out of thin air and assuming the worst to make a situation even more terrible doesn't help. It's a tragic loss that was caused by him attacking a policeman. Those are the only facts. It's over.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46572099]are we supposed to be keeping tabs? seems like the nerds who were doing nothing but listening to the police scanner got bored of it[/QUOTE]
168 reading this thread right now. They aren't bored they're just waiting to see if tonight is going to be entertaining as well.
Why don't all 167 of you read my threads on the Chinese economy? Or Vietnamese witch doctors?
I bet it's because you all have no class. Dumb me if you have no class.
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[QUOTE=Deng;46572043]Technically yes, but the connotation you used is obvious.[/QUOTE]
My connotation is that this wasn't just some unfortunate accident. My connotation was that he shot an unarmed teenager. Maybe Michael Brown did try and steal the gun from the car which means that Darren Wilson would have already needed to pull a gun on him. Maybe after running 35 feet from the vehicle Michael Brown did turn around and decide to charge Darren Wilson. Are you seriously telling me there's no other way to take down an unarmed kid than just gunning him down. And for all of you who seem to think he wasn't shot from behind "An entrance perforation through the back of the right forearm about seven inches from the elbow that proceeds horizontally through the ulna bone and
exits through the front of the forearm;"
[QUOTE=UzumakaiPatch;46572146]My connotation is that this wasn't just some unfortunate accident. My connotation was that he shot an unarmed teenager. Maybe Michael Brown did try and steal the gun from the car which means that Darren Wilson would have already needed to pull a gun on him. Maybe after running 35 feet from the vehicle Michael Brown did turn around and decide to charge Darren Wilson. Are you seriously telling me there's no other way to take down an unarmed kid than just gunning him down. And for all of you who seem to think he wasn't shot from behind "An entrance perforation through the back of the right forearm about seven inches from the elbow that proceeds horizontally through the ulna bone and
exits through the front of the forearm;"[/QUOTE]
He was shot through the back of his arm because, as the evidence shows, he had his hands up either to surrender, or was charging the officer. Either way, that explains the arm shot.
So I take it the riots are over now, did the National Guard ever deploy then?
Zimmerman was an embarrassment for the Left, and Ferguson is shaping up to be too, but somehow the Narrative of Evil WASPS Gunning Down Defenseless Black Youths is stronger than ever.
I wonder when it'll be one Cry-Wolf race-bait story too many.
None of this would've been an issue if police all wore body cameras.
[QUOTE=Hellreaver;46572127]Oh, come on man. I didn't accuse them of playing the race card. The only time I mentioned race was an issue in my second reply where I was referring to the ignorance of the local community for deciding to start burning the place to the ground. Admittedly using Eric Dunn style ebonics was insensitive of me, but my point still stands:
I am not accusing them of playing the race card. Once again, [B]I am not accusing them of playing the race card.[/B] I am simply calling out how ridiculous it is that they are pretending that their son did nothing wrong while simultaneously insisting that the police officer should be criminally charged. Race has NO PART in what I'm trying to convey.[/QUOTE]
I know, but you should watch how you frame your argument. I agree with you the evidence really didn't stack up in the kid's favour, according to the jury. Still, you can't expect the parents to not call for a trial when it isn't crystal clear what happened. The justice system is there for a reason, and I think it served its purpose perfectly.
[QUOTE=Hellreaver;46572195]How would that work, if he was surrendering? If he was facing an officer with his hands up, then the bullet would have either one into the side or the front of his arm, wouldn't it?[/QUOTE]
Hold your arms up, either to "surrender" or to "charge", the back of your arm is now in the front.
:downs:
Losing the child you raised for 18 years isn't an easy fucking task anyways. I mean, first of all it's your child. No matter what the case, trying to look past their own children's guilt and blaming someone else isn't an uncommon scenario. You don't want your precious child to be painted as a thug.
[QUOTE=UzumakaiPatch;46571991]He shot an 18 year old boy 6 times. That isn't something unfortunate it's fucking homicide.[/QUOTE]
Apparently, it was out of self-defense. There simply isn't enough evidence to prove otherwise.
Homicide is "the deliberate and [b]unlawful[/b] killing by one person to another". Wilson is an officer, who was allegedly acting out of self-defense. If there were evidence present to prove otherwise, then this whole situation would be different, but that is the opposite of reality.
[QUOTE=UzumakaiPatch;46572146]My connotation is that this wasn't just some unfortunate accident. My connotation was that he shot an unarmed teenager. Maybe Michael Brown did try and steal the gun from the car which means that Darren Wilson would have already needed to pull a gun on him. Maybe after running 35 feet from the vehicle Michael Brown did turn around and decide to charge Darren Wilson. [b]Are you seriously telling me there's no other way to take down an unarmed kid than just gunning him down.[/b] And for all of you who seem to think he wasn't shot from behind "An entrance perforation through the back of the right forearm about seven inches from the elbow that proceeds horizontally through the ulna bone and
exits through the front of the forearm;"[/QUOTE]
Stop calling him an unarmed kid when he was [b]6'5" and 290 pounds.[/b] Of course there are other ways to take him down, but those other ways are incredibly risky when you're dealing with a man that size, especially if he's violent.
[QUOTE=Hellreaver;46572269]I think the parents were fully in there right to request a trial. If I ever were to have a child (which I'm not, but anyway) and he were to be shot, I'd immediately want to find out what happened.
However, in this case, they have all the evidence in front of them, they have a verdict from the Grand Jury themselves, yet they want the officer to be locked away. They had the trial, a verdict was drawn, and they're still insisting their son was innocent. Sorry, but a police officer should not be imprisoned for murder just because you can't accept the fact your son was partaking in criminal activity.[/QUOTE]
It's not clear whether Brown was actually going to retaliate after being shot; it's not even been conclusively proven he actually robbed a store, but those doubts didn't work out in his advantage like they did for Wilson.
The protests aren't just about this one verdict. There are [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman"]numerous[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner"]precedents[/URL] where officers unduly [URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/08/ramarley-graham-nypd_n_5662134.html"]killed[/URL] black civilians and got away scot-free, despite dubious circumstances. American law enforcement is notorious for using [URL="http://rt.com/usa/194372-stlouis-fatal-officer-involved-shooting/"]extreme[/URL] [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cleveland-police-shooting-boy-with-fake-gun-dies-after-being-shot-by-ohio-officer-9878700.html"]prejudice[/URL] against black people, whereas [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Eagan_Holmes"]white serial killers on murdering sprees[/URL] will be caught alive for a fair trial.
This incident is another entry in the long, long list of police brutality. Stop accusing people of using the race card, when race is clearly a factor.
[QUOTE=UzumakaiPatch;46571991]He shot an 18 year old boy 6 times. That isn't something unfortunate it's fucking homicide.[/QUOTE]
Read Wilson's testimony, all 90 pages, and come back.
I wonder if these criminals are planning something big for Thanksgiving and Black Friday. Imagine how many people they could kill or otherwise disturb by going into a mall or a crowded store.
Looking back at some of these posts that have happened in the last hour.
Some of you cant actually think this way, right?
[QUOTE=Ager O'Eggers;46572423]It's not clear whether Brown was actually going to retaliate after being shot; it's not even been conclusively proved he actually robbed a store, but those doubts didn't work out in his advantage like they did for Wilson.
The protests aren't just about this one verdict. There are [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman"]numerous[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner"]precedents[/URL] where officers unduly [URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/08/ramarley-graham-nypd_n_5662134.html"]killed[/URL] black civilians and got away scot-free, despite dubious circumstances. American law enforcement is notorious for using [URL="http://rt.com/usa/194372-stlouis-fatal-officer-involved-shooting/"]extreme[/URL] [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cleveland-police-shooting-boy-with-fake-gun-dies-after-being-shot-by-ohio-officer-9878700.html"]prejudice[/URL] against black people, whereas [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Eagan_Holmes"]white serial killers on murdering sprees[/URL] will be caught alive for a fair trial.
This incident is another entry in the long, long list of police brutality. Stop accusing people of using the race card, when race is clearly a factor.[/QUOTE]
hmm there can't possibly be any reasons other than discrimination why the first two were shot but the third wasn't
first:
[quote]The dead man, an 18-year-old young African American, [B]fired at least three rounds at the officer[/B], St. Louis Metropolitan Police Chief Sam Dotson said at a news conference.[/quote]
then for the second:
[quote]In a recording released by officials, the caller can be heard saying: “There’s a guy with a pistol…you know, it’s probably fake but he’s pointing it at everybody.
When police arrived at the Cudell Recreation Center park, [B]they told Tamir to raise his hands[/B], deputy police chief Ed Tomba said.
When he allegedly [B]took the replica gun from his waistband,[/B] an officer fired twice despite the fact the suspected weapon was not pointed at them and no threats were made.[/quote]
(the weapon looked like [url=http://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_908w/2010-2019/Wires/Images/2014-11-23/AP/Cleveland_Police_Shoot_Boy-0da49.jpg]this[/url]; if a police officer tells you to raise your hands but instead you pull a gun out, what the fuck do you expect but to get shot?)
as for holmes:
[quote]On July 20, 2012, police arrested an [B]unresisting Holmes[/B] next to his car behind the Century 16 theater[/quote]
oh wait, turns out they were completely different circumstances after all :downs:
sucks how i supposedly can't think that wilson is innocent and still think that the protests can be a good thing and also think that institutionalized racism is alive and well
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;46572208]None of this would've been an issue if police all wore body cameras.[/QUOTE]
from what I've heard of cities where they make the change, it definitely changes some statistics around. Could be coincidence, could be the police limiting their own actions for fear of looking bad, could be the people police interact with understanding they're being recorded and know if they start shit there's tangible evidence against them. Unfortunately even in some areas with bodycams, you can't stop it all cold turkey. [url=http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/officer-in-police-shooting-didn-t-turn-on-body-cam/article_6e143bad-2895-5ff1-9f2f-dcf47712da19.html]just this weekend[/url] a man was fatally shot in Salt Lake City by an officer who 'forgot' to turn his camera on. Was the situation justified? Maybe, maybe not, but we can't look the situation through a rather objective light and that's a rough spot, and it puts more focus on the officer now that this evidence is essentially missing due to accidental or purposeful inaction in ensuring the device was recording during a situation.
According to that article, police in that area use those cameras 'sparingly' during their shifts due to low memory and low battery life, but I've also heard that cops in places where cams are required can face repercussions for turning their devices off intentionally. Get a better camera if you're serious about scrutinizing your police force's activity
Looting, riots, arson and weapons.
All I'm reminded of whenever I read about/see whats going on in Ferguson is this track (even though its based on the 1994 riots, similar context):
[video=youtube;BPbdWuBHIEw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPbdWuBHIEw[/video]
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46572583]Looking back at some of these posts that have happened in the last hour.
Some of you cant actually think this way, right?[/QUOTE]
Looking on social media at the moment, it's very easy to see why people think that way.
Hell, most of my tumblr is taken up with "Avenge Michael Brown" or "Down with the police" or hilariously "This is a revolution."
Link to ALL the evidence presented (theres a lot)
[url]http://apps.stlpublicradio.org/ferguson-project/evidence.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Ager O'Eggers;46572423]It's not clear whether Brown was actually going to retaliate after being shot; it's not even been conclusively proven he actually robbed a store, but those doubts didn't work out in his advantage like they did for Wilson.[/quote]
[url]http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/raw-video-surveillance-video-believed-to-show-michael-brown-robbing-convenience-store/[/url]
Video is Michael Brown committing Strong-Arm Robbery.
[QUOTE=Hellreaver;46571772]What? I literally didn't mention their race throughout my whole post. Dig your head out of your arse before you shitpost.[/QUOTE]
I love it when racists try and use some ~sicknasty~ reflection to make people calling them out look like the racist. It never fucking works.
"Well maybe if [B]you[/B] weren't so [B]prejudiced[/B] you wouldn't have assumed that was a racially based derogatory stereotype (heheheh go 'im now, he can't beat that *strokes dick furiously*)"
[QUOTE=hexpunK;46572776]I love it when racists try and use some ~sicknasty~ reflection to make people calling them out look like the racist. It never fucking works.
"Well maybe if [B]you[/B] weren't so [B]prejudiced[/B] you wouldn't have assumed that was a racially based derogatory stereotype (heheheh go 'im now, he can't beat that *strokes dick furiously*)"[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection[/url]
the evidence backs up Officer Wilson
conjecture and opinion are not evidence and people who don't know better should shut up
the family can always file an appeal
until then this case is closed everyone go home and stop rioting
the law is the law
if you don't like it write a letter to your congressperson, don't burn a building to the ground
[QUOTE=Primigenes;46572340]How the fuck are the Black Panthers worse than the KKK?
The Black Panthers are literally the reason Kids even get free breakfast in schools to this day. What the fuck has the KKK even done in recent history that's benefited every one in the U.S.A.[/QUOTE]
I think you really need to read up on the black panthers, for every step of good they have done they do like 15 back. They are/were pretty fucking violent but more modern than KKK. They started off with far better intentions back when it was first formed and had better people but over time it has turned into pretty fucking awful group. I mean its been pretty shit for like 30 years now.
The KKK doesnt do shit anymore, the Black Panthers still do. KKK is way worse considering history but in 2014 BP are more threatening. I think two were just arrested the other day by the FBI for having a pipebomb.
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