[BREAKING] Its happening. Grand jury has made a decision about Ferguson.
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[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;46584254]I keep seeing this post online, regarding self-defense.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/eDgWOwZ.png[/t]
Any thoughts on this? I don't know enough law myself to know either way.[/QUOTE]
The in your own house thing is bullshit. In some states you must be threatened in others as long as its clearly marked no tresspassing you could shoot them simply for being there. No force than necessary is also bullshit. You can use as much force as you need to eliminate a threat, and discretion will probably be given to you because its hard to prove excessive force when someone has adrenaline pumping.
Also iffy on the provoking a fight thing. It depends on the circumstances. A lot of the stuff here changes based on what state you live in or what he actual situation is. In most states though you do not have to retreat before using force though.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;46584254]
Any thoughts on this? I don't know enough law myself to know either way.[/QUOTE]
Incredibly vague, differs depending on jurisdiction, doesn't even apply to law enforcement. Ignore.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;46584254]I keep seeing this post online, regarding self-defense.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/eDgWOwZ.png[/t]
Any thoughts on this? I don't know enough law myself to know either way.[/QUOTE]
Well, According to Wilson he was backpedaling as he shot. All of Brown's entry wounds are in his front. Brown knocked over a convenience store a minute beforehand, and then battered Wilson while Wilson was in his car when all he did at first was ask them to get out of the middle of the street (Photos show Wilson obviously took some shots to his face) And a 300lb nearly 7ft tall guy can absolutely kill a guy with blows to the head...
Besides, Depending on the state, you don't have to retreat at all, and the police are there to enforce the law, they sure as shit don't have to retreat
Also there's a couple little details I don't think people would make up that Wilson talked about while wrestling over the gun, such as how it failed to go off a couple of times when the trigger was pulled. Well if the slide is pulled back just a little bit, the hammer on a Sig isn't going to hit the firing pin. And the slide is probably going to be pulled back some if Brown's hand is grabbing the pistol from the top as was described
I think that in missouri, the police can shoot even if the suspect is fleeing.
Imagine if law enforcement offers had the duty to retreat before falling back on using force.
Like a cop sees a guy robbing a liquor store with the cash in one bag and a gun in the other and instead of pursuing him and taking him down or calling for backup or whatever he calls 911.
I don't think the person who made that Tumblr post was thinking too clearly when they wrote it. Hopefully their business degree pans out because I ain't seeing a future for them in law.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;46584254]I keep seeing this post online, regarding self-defense.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/eDgWOwZ.png[/t]
Any thoughts on this? I don't know enough law myself to know either way.[/QUOTE]
You better reply to that with Missouri law:
[quote][URL="http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stathtml/56300000461.html"]563.046[/URL]. 1. A law enforcement officer need not retreat or desist from efforts to effect the arrest, or from efforts to prevent the escape from custody, of a person he reasonably believes to have committed an offense because of resistance or threatened resistance of the arrestee. In addition to the use of physical force authorized under other sections of this chapter, he is, subject to the provisions of subsections 2 and 3, justified in the use of such physical force as he reasonably believes is immediately necessary to effect the arrest or to prevent the escape from custody.
2. The use of any physical force in making an arrest is not justified under this section unless the arrest is lawful or the law enforcement officer reasonably believes the arrest is lawful.
[B]3. A law enforcement officer in effecting an arrest or in preventing an escape from custody is justified in using deadly force only
(1) When such is authorized under other sections of this chapter; or
(2) When he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest and also reasonably believes that the person to be arrested
(a) Has committed or attempted to commit a felony; or
(b) Is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon; or
(c) May otherwise endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay.[/B]
4. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section.[/quote]
Particularly 563.046 Sub 3(2)(c)
or, kinda related to what they were posting about: [URL="http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stathtml/56300000311.html"]563.0031[/URL]. Which does not apply here under 563.0031 Sub 1(b) which exempts police officers from being the initial aggressor.
Also, in 563.0031 Sub 2(1) explains that a person can use deadly force to protect themselves against a forcible felony, death, or serious physical injury.
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Disclaimer: I am no expert in Missouri law. I have doubts that I interpreted these two statutes correctly, but I believe I did.
[QUOTE=>VLN<;46584374]I think that in missouri, the police can shoot even if the suspect is fleeing.[/QUOTE]
If you're talking about the Fleeing Felon law, that was struck down in the 80's in a lot of places. Before then, if you were a felon and you fled the police, they could shoot you in the back. It was legal. And it all got struck down because a lazy cop shot a kid in the back because he didn't want to jump the fence to chase him. At least that's why it was struck down in Tennessee
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46584378]Imagine if law enforcement offers had the duty to retreat before falling back on using force.
Like a cop sees a guy robbing a liquor store with the cash in one bag and a gun in the other and instead of pursuing him and taking him down or calling for backup or whatever he calls 911.
I don't think the person who made that Tumblr post was thinking too clearly when they wrote it. Hopefully their business degree pans out because I ain't seeing a future for them in law.[/QUOTE]
It says former student. So yeah I dont think it panned out for them.
The Oakland Ferguson riots are out of control, but in a different way
They have crowds of people in the street with cars in the middle doing donuts and shit
[QUOTE=TheTalon;46584407]The Oakland Ferguson riots are out of control, but in a different way
They have crowds of people in the street with cars in the middle doing donuts and shit[/QUOTE]
That sounds like normal Oakland.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;46584416]That sounds like normal Oakland.[/QUOTE]
I suppose you're right. But they had cops half a mile down the street not doing anyt... Also sounds like Oakland, nevermind
I would also want to fight that tumblr person 1v1 irl.
> Darren Wilson was not in danger of SERIOUS INJURY or DEATH
I would say several strikes to the head and a gun pressed against my hip would qualify for serious injury at the least. Surprise: You can get killed by being punched in the head
> Darren Wilson unloaded AT LEAST SIX BULLETS INTO MICHAEL BROWN
Four rounds hit his right arm. 2 rounds in the chest, and 2 in the head. When you're full of adrenaline, those 4 rounds to the arm arent stopping you. Those two to the chest may not even stop you. Officer Wilson kept firing his weapon as trained until the threat stopped. Its impossible to know which order the rounds hit mr. Brown other than the first and last ones.
It's just a huge cluster fuck of cars going every which way on the highways to get away from the police now. It's like Need for Speed 2
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And they're all cornered and fucked. Gg.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;46584254]I keep seeing this post online, regarding self-defense.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/eDgWOwZ.png[/t]
Any thoughts on this? I don't know enough law myself to know either way.[/QUOTE]
Essentially he took a class one time that crossed over into criminal law and thinks he knows everything about it.
In other words, college freshman syndrome.
Brilliant. Anyone watching the Oakland live stream? About 80 cars running around like a Crew, donuts in the streets... police showed up so they all took off... Nope had that direction blocked, so they all hopped on the wrong side of the road and went the other way. Nope, police are there too. So now it's just a cluster fuck of cars and police having a laugh at their dumb asses
I've made so many enemies on twitter and even lost a couple of friends for thinking that Darren Wilson acted in self defense and that the shooting of Michael Brown was justified. However I do agree that Wilson could have tried a better method of solving the situation, such as using a taser instead of a firearm.
[url]http://abc7news.com/live/7704/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46584473]I've made so many enemies on twitter and even lost a couple of friends for thinking that Darren Wilson acted in self defense and that the shooting of Michael Brown was justified. However I do agree there could have been better ways to stop Brown, such as use of a taser instead of his gun.[/QUOTE]
He didn't have a Taser, elected not to carry one because there's little room on his belt, and even if he had one it would've been on his left, where he couldn't get to it without letting control of Brown's arm go to inflict more blows to his face. He also said Mace wouldn't work because of the nature of the fight and it would have just got in his face, too, and he was wearing contacts and it would've fucked him up more than Brown, as well as it being on his left also And there's no room in a patrol car to use an ASP, not that ASPs work worth a shit on anyone anyway. ASPs are just terrible but the public in general are a bit too soft for nightsticks now
[QUOTE=TheTalon;46584475][url]http://abc7news.com/live/7704/[/url]
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He didn't have a Taser, elected not to carry one because there's little room on his belt, and even if he had one it would've been on his left, where he couldn't get to it without letting control of Brown's arm go to inflict more blows to his face[/QUOTE]
Wasn't aware of that, here in sweden cops don't carry tasers at all because some schmuck thinks they are ineffective at taking down a suspect, but pepper spray is.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;46584475][url]http://abc7news.com/live/7704/[/url]
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That's truly like some kind of movie set. Never seen so many cops and so many cars all over the highway like that.
[QUOTE=OvB;46584502]That's truly like some kind of movie set. Never seen so many cops and so many cars all over the highway like that.[/QUOTE]
What you're seeing are police debating on how much paper work they want to do over the next week, heh. There may be a couple stolen cars in that crowd from the dealership that was broken into. I know I saw a black Corvette without plates doing donuts with them half an hour ago
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46584487]Wasn't aware of that, here in sweden cops don't carry tasers at all because some schmuck thinks they are ineffective at taking down a suspect, but pepper spray is.[/QUOTE]
Tasers are great when they work, but there's a lot of things that could go wrong and make it completely useless. You're basically relying on a hefty dose of luck when firing a taser.
i think i've effectively broken one of the facebook people that spreads misinformation and runs on the "eye for an eye" mentality.
after exchanging quotes and reasons for why or why not wilson should be tried, we eventually got to the pictures of the bruises wilson got and he responded with "you call those bruises? i've gotten bigger swelling from bumping into a wall" and i told him these pictures were taken in mere hours after the incident occurred and bruises do not turn black and blue at least for a few days.
Well they got a Van trying to tear down the fence so all those cars can escape now. Of course all those low rider cars aren't going to make it since, that's not a road, it's a fucking railway
Van got stuck on the tracks, crowd had to rock it off. Whoever built that fence did one hell of a job
[QUOTE=TheTalon;46584475][url]http://abc7news.com/live/7704/[/url][/QUOTE]A van is trying to escape by going over a fence. It is now stuck on said fence and train tracks. They are trying to push it free.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;46584534]i think i've effectively broken one of the facebook people that spreads misinformation and runs on the "eye for an eye" mentality.
after exchanging quotes and reasons for why or why not wilson should be tried, we eventually got to the pictures of the bruises wilson got and he responded with "you call those bruises? i've gotten bigger swelling from bumping into a wall" and i told him these pictures were taken in mere hours after the incident occurred and bruises do not turn black and blue at least for a few days.[/QUOTE]
If that person is bumping into walls that hard, no wonder they are braindead enough to use that kind of argument.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;46584545]A van is trying to escape by going over a fence. It is now stuck on said fence and train tracks. They are trying to push it free.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't it be kind of funny if Tear Gas was just shot into that clusterfuck
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;46584545]A van is trying to escape by going over a fence. It is now stuck on said fence and train tracks. They are trying to push it free.[/QUOTE]
Stream music:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbsuAbTTsV8[/media]
Welp someone put a rag in someone's gas cap and set it on fire. This ain't the movies idiot
Oh they set fire to the interior, too. That works
My IRL best friend found out that I supported the cop, so he raged and called me racist and deleted me off Facebook, Steam, etc.
Kinda funny because he popped into chat with me like normal but he was talking about the whole Ferguson deal and he started ranting. The best part about his rant was him saying "i'm not racist" but then he read someone elses post about them supporting the cop and he said "wow, they're fucking retarded. I bet he's white!"
Ok, looks like someone crashed in to another fence, then hopped out and someone then set the intake for the fuel on fire, and the car is burning.
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