[QUOTE=The Combine;44299986]Just ignoring them is not going anywhere as well. Why should we tolerate their hate speech? A funeral is one of the most tragic experiences a human experiences in his whole life and these people take a giant shit on that and protest there against the person that died. That's the lowest of the low and if they don't care about that why should I? I hate them they don't deserve any respect because they don't have even a spark of it left. These people are scum and I also don't care what drove them to do this, they are missing basic human abilities like empathy. Any empathic being knows what they are doing is wrong.[/quote]
We don't tolerate it. There are laws that keep them away from funerals.
Why would I hate someone who has no empathy? That seems pretty tragic. Why even waste time on hate? I can hate them or I can ignore them. I certainly gain nothing by hating them. I don't tolerate what they do any more than I have to, I believe they are completely and totally wrong, but they have a right to their ridiculous opinions. That said, I understand the argument that they prey on emotionally unstable people, and that's why I support laws keeping them a certain distance from the funerals they protest.
[QUOTE=The Combine;44299986]I just can't picture people that have respect for these scientology people still respecting them after they joined a funeral of a relative of yours, spreading their hate. What kind of person do you have to be to just ignore that? I sure as hell couldn't deal with that. That's just too much.[/quote]
No one said anything about respecting the guy (at least, I didn't). But there's a difference between respecting someone and not celebrating their death.
[QUOTE=The Combine;44299986]Sorry if this is worded a bit aggressively but it drives me nuts how these scumbags are still treated like everybody else. They are defenitely not like normal people they are insane, not better than the schizo guy running around the street preaching "The End is nigh" but atleast he isn't hurting anybody be it physically or psychologically.[/quote]
Yes, I actually believe that and that is part of why I pity them. I believe they are not sane people. They are possibly mentally ill.
[QUOTE=The Combine;44299986]Phelps just started it all but what makes you think that people that do worse things then Phelps don't get the same amount of hate? I'm all for valuing other humans, I'm against capital punishment but I if somebody who makes the world a worse place to live in why not be happy when he is gone? That's the main thing I don't understand.[/QUOTE]
Do they make the world a worse place? If people ignored them, they would have no effect. They could tell us all the things their god hates and we don't have to care one iota. I don't even believe in their god, what does it affect me? All I see is people vehemently hating and cursing them. That seems to me to be what's making the world a worse place.
They can spread their message of hate all they want. I don't hate they things they do, and I don't hate the members of their church. Their hate has no effect on me, all it does is keep them from having any sort of peace.
I think it's best if we forget about him and move on. I can see why people would be happy, but imo that sort of feeds that attention the WBC has wanted and will always want.
RIP sweet prince you will be in our hearts
Some people on facebook are saying they want to organize a bunch of people to attend the funeral with "We forgive you" signs. That would be great, just to see how the WBC reacts.
[QUOTE=Mitchel.;44299893]Since when Facepunch members have been so low that they laught & have fun because somebody is dead?[/QUOTE]
Why is it bad to celebrate an individuals death?
[QUOTE=imptastick;44300210]Some people on facebook are saying they want to organize a bunch of people to attend the funeral with "We forgive you" signs. That would be great, just to see how the WBC reacts.[/QUOTE]
It'd be far more Christ-like than anything the WBC has ever done. Unless, of course, they did it just to piss WBC off.
[QUOTE=zerothefallen;44300223]Why is it bad to celebrate an individuals death?[/QUOTE]
do you not have anything better to do?
[editline]20th March 2014[/editline]
i mean i hated this guy with all of my guts but i still won't 'celebrate' his birth. that would bring me a little closer to his level if anything.
[QUOTE=Explosions;44299693]If at any point you thought that his protesting should have been banned because if "hate speech," and you would support picketing his funeral in a similar manner, then you're just a shithead who was using "hate speech" as an excuse to silence an ideological opponent.
Seriously, can someone explain how picketing his funeral would not be "hate speech" under the same definition? You would be picketing his funeral and demeaning him and his church because if their religious beliefs. How is it different?[/QUOTE]
I think many of them still want the action to be illegal, but while it's not they might as well let it happen. If it somehow became illegal between now and funeral I'd certainly respect it and back off.
[QUOTE=imptastick;44300210]Some people on facebook are saying they want to organize a bunch of people to attend the funeral with "We forgive you" signs. That would be great, just to see how the WBC reacts.[/QUOTE]
Then the rest of the WBC would think they were referring to everything they do, not just Phelps, and keep going.
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;44299404]But yeah when I saw this headline I literally had a flashback in my head to a vision of the sniper from TF2 doing that wave animation and "GAWD SAVE THE QUEEN"[/QUOTE]
what now
Anyway, good fucking riddance. Yeah yeah, a human life and all, but a particularly nasty one.
I'm not happy that he had to die, but I hope that the WBC is done after this, probably not considering he was excommunicated months ago and it's still going.
[QUOTE=Mitchel.;44299893]Since when Facepunch members have been so low that they laught & have fun because somebody is dead?[/QUOTE]
Well, considering that this guy was a major asshole who tried to shove his idiotic ideas down everybody's throats by obnoxiously screaming and being a major twat... I say a [I]little [/I]laughter and fun is ok, it would be more impressive if everyone just forgot about him and his shitty little group all together though.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44299488]If the river styx exists I hope he's drowning in it.[/QUOTE]
Charon's gonna kick this motherfucker out of the boat and flip him the bird with bony hands.
[QUOTE=zerothefallen;44300223]Why is it bad to celebrate an individuals death?[/QUOTE]
I'll take "questions that make me look like a psychopath" for $500 Alex
[QUOTE=.Lain;44300245]do you not have anything better to do?
[editline]20th March 2014[/editline]
i mean i hated this guy with all of my guts but i still won't 'celebrate' his birth. that would bring me a little closer to his level if anything.[/QUOTE]
Why though
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;44300505]I'll take "questions that make me look like a psychopath" for $500 Alex[/QUOTE]
Im not celebrating, im simply asking why. Dont assume so far.
[QUOTE=.Lain;44300245]do you not have anything better to do?
[editline]20th March 2014[/editline]
i mean i hated this guy with all of my guts but i still won't 'celebrate' his birth. that would bring me a little closer to his level if anything.[/QUOTE]
Instinctive morals aside there's nothing objectively bad about it
The world is literally a better place without this guy
that's ok you can be glad you won't have to deal with his utter hatred of everything but it's still very creepy to see people literally celebrate the death of any human being regardless of views
[editline]20th March 2014[/editline]
also it's not like you can just put 'instinctive morals' aside in modern society, so why are we even talking about this
I am relieved. I hope one day I'll get to see the WBC dying out aswell.
Wait. . .I just had a thought.
. . .what if they excommunicated him so that when he died, they could picket HIS funeral?
It's just batshit crazy enough to be something Fred would have considered.
[QUOTE=Altimor;44300607]Instinctive morals aside there's nothing objectively bad about it[/QUOTE]
Instinctive morals aside there's nothing wrong with believing god hates fags
taking morals out of it completely destroys any semblance of a sensible argument here
[QUOTE=.Lain;44300245]do you not have anything better to do?
[editline]20th March 2014[/editline]
i mean i hated this guy with all of my guts but i still won't 'celebrate' his birth. that would bring me a little closer to his level if anything.[/QUOTE]
did i really say birth instead of death how did i even
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44300835]Instinctive morals aside there's nothing wrong with believing god hates fags
taking morals out of it completely destroys any semblance of a sensible argument here[/QUOTE]
Picketing funerals is disruptive, that's objectively harmful to society. When I say instinctive morals I mean what you're born with and has no logical backing. If they just had their own little group where they talked with each other about how much god hates gays noone would care.
I could literally jerk it to the thought of this guy's death, it wouldn't matter and noone would care.
[QUOTE=Altimor;44301092]Picketing funerals is disruptive, that's objectively harmful to society. When I say instinctive morals I mean what you're born with and has no logical backing.
If they just had their own little group where they talked with each other about how much god hates gays noone would care[/QUOTE]
"Such and such is disruptive," is a paper thin justification. Protests are disruptive in general, that's the point, but they're not harmful in general. Attempts to "objectively" determine how society should work are a joke.
No one [I]should[/I] care. People are choosing to care. Except in the case of the people at funerals, but that is why they have laws so that the protesters are generally kept far away from the actual service.
[editline]20th March 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Altimor;44301092]When I say instinctive morals I mean what you're born with and has no logical backing.[/QUOTE]
Such as?
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44301196]"Such and such is disruptive," is a paper thin justification. Protests are disruptive in general, that's the point, but they're not harmful in general. Attempts to "objectively" determine how society should work are a joke.
No one [I]should[/I] care. People are choosing to care. Except in the case of the people at funerals, but that is why they have laws so that the protesters are generally kept far away from the actual service.[/QUOTE]
Protests can work out to improve society though. Protesting a funeral with "god hates fags" signs can never do any good.
[editline]20th March 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44301196]
Such as?[/QUOTE]
Thinking privately celebrating someone's death is a bad thing. It doesn't actually matter, it's just something your brain is designed to dislike.
[QUOTE=Altimor;44301217]Protests can work out to improve society though. Protesting a funeral with "god hates fags" signs can never do any good.[/QUOTE]
Except that picking and choosing the causes that can be protested for is oppressive.
[editline]20th March 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Altimor;44301217]Thinking privately celebrating someone's death is a bad thing. It doesn't actually matter, it's just something your brain is designed to dislike.[/QUOTE]
You sound ridiculous, not gonna lie. Having empathy for human beings whether or not they are bad people and you disagree with them doesn't matter? News to me.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44301230]You sound ridiculous, not gonna lie. Having empathy for human beings whether or not they are bad people and you disagree with them doesn't matter? News to me.[/QUOTE]
Someone who takes time out of their day to celebrate a death is someone who's probably going to make bad decisions, sure, but that's not what I'm talking about. In what way does doing that hurt anyone else, provided you aren't publicly hosting a party for it?
[QUOTE=Altimor;44301317]Someone who takes time out of their day to celebrate a death is someone who's probably going to make bad decisions, sure, but that's not what I'm talking about.[/QUOTE]
In what way does failing to discourage vengeful hatred harm people who would like to live in a society of mature people?
[editline]20th March 2014[/editline]
I should further qualify it as vengeful, pointless, and counterproductive.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44301333]In what way does failing to discourage vengeful hatred harm people who would like to live in a society of mature people?
[editline]20th March 2014[/editline]
I should further qualify it as vengeful, pointless, and counterproductive.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it's pointless, but there's nothing truly harmful about it. It doesn't matter if people should be discouraged or not, the guy asked what's bad about doing it, not what's bad about people who'd do it.
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