• Royal Mail to be privatised, floated on the stock market
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[QUOTE=The mouse;41395946]You mean it can get worse?[/QUOTE] Yes? Current Royal Mail service is extremely good.
[QUOTE=The mouse;41395946]You mean it can get worse?[/QUOTE] Yes. No matter how bad it seems, it can get shittier.
[QUOTE=The mouse;41395946]You mean it can get worse?[/QUOTE] I've never had any problems with the Royal Mail, not sure what you're expecting out of them exactly.
[QUOTE=The mouse;41395867]Oh and the organisations like the NHS work so well in the Public Sector. The reason for Privatisation is to relieve the Taxpayers and the Government of having to pay for it, therefore raising revenue and lowering expenses. It makes perfect sense to Privatise in a recession. The Private sector ensures that organisations are run well because they have to be otherwise they wouldn't make money.[/QUOTE] All the private sector ensures is that they can fleece as much money from the taxpayer and the government as possible. The railways and the bus network are both heavily subsidised by the government despite rising ticket prices and the fact both rail and bus companies are happy to give each other monopolies on certain local areas so they both make more profit. The private sector loves it when the government sells off key industries the country needs to keep running, because they know that they can skim as much money off it as they like and the government will be forced to subsidise them to keep the business running. Not only that, but if the private sector is so great at running stuff at a profit and is so much more efficient, then why they haven't already started their own national mail service to compete against Royal Mail? Surely, by your logic, they'd be guaranteed to succeed?
[QUOTE=The mouse;41395635]Green Deal Av Referendum Even this was done by Vince Cable, The Liberal Business secretary. Proposed House of Lords Reform All Liberal policies.[/QUOTE] Green Deal is hopeless, I work in the energy industry, and there have been less then 250 Green Deal loans carried out. Since January. In the whole of the UK. Causes more problems than it's worth.44 Also means I have to read out more terms and conditions which can piss right off haha.
[QUOTE=The mouse;41395635]Green Deal Av Referendum Even this was done by Vince Cable, The Liberal Business secretary. Proposed House of Lords Reform All Liberal policies.[/QUOTE] That was a bunch of stuff proposed to keep the Lib Dems happy but done in a way that they would never get through, particularly in the case of AV (which should have been PR but the Tories would only allow AV) and the house of lords reforms.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;41395991]I've never had any problems with the Royal Mail, not sure what you're expecting out of them exactly.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SataniX;41395964]Yes? Current Royal Mail service is extremely good.[/QUOTE] Well I don't know about you but I've frequently had mail lost and late and sometimes not even collected.
Wonder how they will fuck everyone make big national monopoly ala BT or regional monopolies like the water companies
[QUOTE=Camundongo;41396009]All the private sector ensures is that they can fleece as much money from the taxpayer and the government as possible. The railways and the bus network are both heavily subsidised by the government despite rising ticket prices and the fact both rail and bus companies are happy to give each other monopolies on certain local areas so they both make more profit. The private sector loves it when the government sells off key industries the country needs to keep running, because they know that they can skim as much money off it as they like and the government will be forced to subsidise them to keep the business running. Not only that, but if the private sector is so great at running stuff at a profit and is so much more efficient, then why they haven't already started their own national mail service to compete against Royal Mail? Surely, by your logic, they'd be guaranteed to succeed?[/QUOTE] The fact that it costs more is negated by the fact that it's a better sevice because of the reasons I listed earlier. Just because these services are privatised doesn't mean that they aren't open to scruitiny and regulation. The government can and has forced energy companies to be more favourable to the consumer (by this government) and more regulation needs to be added. There are Private postal services and they are mostly just as if not more successful.
[QUOTE=The mouse;41396149] There are Private postal services and they are mostly just as if not more successful.[/QUOTE] No they don't, they don't have the massive outlaying costs RM do. TNT may process business mail, but it's RM who deliver it. Outside of London there is limited courier to door service for the majority of parcels and documents. Even if you forget all that, rural business WILL suffer. Nobody, and I mean nobody will deliver business work to small outlaying areas at a price that's competitive with inner city businesses. [editline]10th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=The mouse;41395448]Am I the only one who thinks this is a good idea? The Royal Mail is a massive money sink for the government and gets very little out of it. Postal Workers are lazy as fuck and strike all the time and someone needs to reign them in because the government won't. Visiting the north is pricy, and going any further than the midlands costs the same as a holiday in Spain. Besides the private sector almost always does things better than the public sector, yeah it usually costs money but it's run far more effectivly by businessmen than bureaucrats. Assuming it's properly regulated then hopefully the mail system will become much better than the disorganised mess it currently is.[/QUOTE] It's a money sink because it was poorly streamlined with modern technology. That's changed. Machines have taken over a good bulk of the non-profitable work (Letters, small parcels), while only the highly profitable stuff (Junk mail) is staff intensive. The strikes were mostly justified, as the Union didn't want to have thousands of workers lose their jobs in rural communities. That's kind of what the Unions are for, protecting workers. It's the only form of legal protest. The private sector is not always an improvement. I can't speak completely for each service, but trains especially have become incredibly expensive for casual use in the south west. Companies aren't evil, but I'd prefer a mixed economy to a fully capitalist one.
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[QUOTE=The mouse;41395448] The Royal Mail is a massive money sink for the government and gets very little out of it. Postal Workers are lazy as fuck and strike all the time and someone needs to reign them in because the government won't. [/QUOTE] The hell is it with you people? If there's one thing I've noted with consistency in conservative mindsets, it's that the blame for failure will always fall on the workers, following orders, and their unions, for demanding - heavens forbid - that they are treated fairly by their employers. Clearly the postal workers making barely enough to pay the bills are the true villains, not the fat, rich executives and upper echelon who make the business decisions that determine the fate of the company. No - such august personages couldn't possibly be responsible. They're hostages to their impoverished workforce, clearly!
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The only good thing our government has done is make sure they never get elected again. Each and every choice made is for nothing but greater profit. Why ruin one of the only public sector companies that provides good service and isn't loosing money.
Oh, just fuck off Conservative Party will you?
[QUOTE=Harnbrand;41401290]The hell is it with you people? If there's one thing I've noted with consistency in conservative mindsets, it's that the blame for failure will always fall on the workers, following orders, and their unions, for demanding - heavens forbid - that they are treated fairly by their employers. Clearly the postal workers making barely enough to pay the bills are the true villains, not the fat, rich executives and upper echelon who make the business decisions that determine the fate of the company. No - such august personages couldn't possibly be responsible. They're hostages to their impoverished workforce, clearly![/QUOTE] Wait, we're talking about a public postal service right? The "upper echelon" are still government employees. The entire system of public unions is a sham because the top level people doing the bargaining have no incentive to reign in the unions. I don't blame the unions. They have every right to try and get as much as they can. I blame the entire system. Unions need someone to push back against them for them to work. It's a giant revolving door. The politicians give the public unions amazing contracts and the unions vote for the politicians.
No no no no NO NO NO! Fuck! The thoughts of pretty much all of Britain when they hear this. We all know how the railways have gone. In 10 years' time: 'Sign here please... thanks. That'll be a fiver mate.'
Royal Mail is actually profit making.
Lately I've found the Royal Mail service to be shit anyway.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;41407611]Lately I've found the Royal Mail service to be shit anyway.[/QUOTE] this is because of a cost cutting idea, to make royal mail turn a profit and be more attractive to investors. they have hiked the prices of anything above a large letter, which makes shipping something quite small very expensive (£3.60 for a 7x7cm cube, 2nd iirc) to discourage to use of royal mail to ship parcels as they are what cost the most, not letters. they have also started to take the piss with 2nd class, which used to take 2 days at most now takes 5 days to push people into using 1st class.
I got sacked from Nexus Management 2 years ago because of exactly this. I was hired due to a contract with a sister company of the Royal Mail called RED but 6 months into the job RED told us it was going into administration as Royal Mail is being privatized. I was told that by law I wasn't allowed to reveal this information so I only told a select few
[QUOTE=The mouse;41396039]Well I don't know about you but I've frequently had mail lost and late and sometimes not even collected.[/QUOTE] Most of the time I post a couple of things a week and I've only ever had one thing lost in years, sending parcels with them has been about as quick or faster as any private company I've used, if a bit more expensive.
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