#Calexit Californians want to exit the U.S. after Trump’s presidential win
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You see the way you get around this is by letting Canada annex all of the Western states without any civil resistance.
As a gun owner, looking at it selfishly I'm A-OK and enthusiastic for all of those anti-gun Democrats testing how to enact widespread gun control to be in an entirely different country.
Actually the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and (kind of) the 5th Amendments seem to be unpopular with the people who live out there who loves authoritarianism. Every time I've ever heard the phrase, "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear," it's been said by a Californian or somebody who spends [I]a lot[/I] of their time in California. I mean if that's a sample of the mentality out there then holy shit I'd feel bad for the population living under [I]that[/I] government. :v:
[QUOTE=Destroyox;51345937]You see the way you get around this is by letting Canada annex all of the Western states without any civil resistance.[/QUOTE]
i'd bet a hot dollar this would be more likely to work than secession
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;51345452]I don't think so. The east takes most of our funding. we could do it and we could also become socialized and have our own healthcare, nuclear, and other sectors reborn.[/QUOTE]
What. You fuck heads with your fucking green lawns and golf courses takes in way mod funding.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51345872]In a few years anyway? What fortune teller do you go to?[/QUOTE]
What, have you been living under a rock? Even I, so far away, in Russia, heard that Trump will soon start ethnic and religious cleansing and just generally start killing people for fun. Or something like that, I'm not sure; I think I'll just keep on reading overreacting people on the Internet, then I'll be able to tell you more, hang on.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51345444]Okay![/QUOTE]
No, not ok. This is how the civil war happened.
Are you really so against trump war and destruction is preferrable to having some guy you disagree with in office?
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51346098]No, not ok. This is how the civil war happened.
Are you really so against trump war and destruction is preferrable to having some guy you disagree with in office?[/QUOTE]
The difference here is that americans will have worse than "disagree", let's remember who is a real estate ownerhas, his secretaries be of the 1% of the rich and has as a Vice president a moron who believes in conversions of gays.
Never going to happen, too many people are satisfied with their living conditions even if the worst nightmares of a Trump presidency come true.
Not to mention the military personnel ensuring curfew in the few counties if things did get hectic, which would put a pretty quick stop to things.
In some fantasy world if some parts of Cali did secede I'd imagine their large businesses would get poached and an embargo/tariffs would probably be put in place. All trade ports would probably be blockaded or occupied by the Navy as they're U.S. property
You'd get Ukraine'd, which would be funny because of the whole Putin/Trump thing.
The only way any state in America could secede is if at-least maybe what, 10, 15, did at the same time in the same geographical area. That isn't going to happen.
I think people should PEACEFULLY (note the word PEACEFULLY) protest if they want but calling for secession is silly.
[url=http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-separatists-snap-story.html]Moscow welcomes the would-be sovereign nation of California. [/url]
:v:
You Could say there going to make a [I]New[/I] California Republic?
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Fuck, someone already make that joke, move along
[QUOTE=Redcoat893;51346426]You Could say there going to make a [I]New[/I] California Republic?[/QUOTE]
Does that mean that Trump and his supporters are Caesar's Legion in this analogy?
Could Elon Musk be Mr. House? I wonder who Yes Man would be then...
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51346430]Does that mean that Trump and his supporters are Caesar's Legion in this analogy?
Could Elon Musk be Mr. House? I wonder who Yes Man would be then...[/QUOTE]
Trump's already got all the Yes Men
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51345934]I wonder...
What few California National Guardsmen that would actually stick to the state
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The [I]entire[/I] US military, plus all those loyal Cali Guardsmen that won't run away.
Also for that one poster saying California will continue trading with China and other Asian nations - your shipping will be gone when you lose the protection of the US navy. Unless you plan to patrol the world's shipping lines with your little coast gua- oh wait that's federal too.[/QUOTE]
You do know what they want A Caexit, a referendum, not a war. It is one state, not a 1/3 of the landmass of the country, and a New Power on the North American subcontinent would not be left wanting for allies, Mexico, Canada, Maybe even Russia or Japan. California could theoretically Nationalize Some ships until they are able to build others, and Piracy is not that common, nd until you get a Navy of your own you could request that your trading partners ensure the protection of the shipping, hundreds of thousands of Commercial Vessels do trading on the seas every day, and you don't often hear of them getting raided by pirates do you?
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Look at the Scottish plan for if they left the Union, they could take guidelines from that, just look at all the resources a theoretical California could have, and think if Oregon and Washington Decided to do the same, and make a Greater Cascadia esque nation, that means border access to land trade from Canada and Mexico, as well as Sea trade to Asia. That's 3 states out of 50, and already they would be in a strong position.
[quote]But, assuming we don't blow ourselves up, us Californians just have to worry about California breaking off from the United States, to go hang with Hawaii, Alaska can come too... THE END![/quote]
Personally, I say wait until the amount of damage Trump does overtakes the amount of damage a secession would do. The only bad thing is that if Cali goes we lose pretty much any chance we have at ever having another Democrat president.
I can't see this happening at all.
We're much too dependent on other states for resources like water and power. Not to mention the federal funding we get and trying to drum up support for this kind of thing.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;51345883]all that needs to be said is this:
if any state actually manages to gain real momentum to leave the union, the rest of the union would definitely crush it early by quickly strategizing a roadmap of incentive vs punishment tradeoffs the further the attempt goes. each step of the way they will fight tooth and nail because the insoluble union is a core tenant of our governments founding/persisting ideology. so good luck getting any other state to ratify your secession.
at this point no state would be collectively willing to keep choosing the beatdown option because even if they succeeded the only accomplishment would be making themselves a small, frail country that alienated almost everyone they rely on (who are also geographical neighbors). this could only ever work if the US itself was very weak.[/QUOTE]
Well hey we got Trump as a president, so the US is just going to get weaker.
If California had a referendum and a significant portion of the population gave a significant majority in favour of independence, the idea that it would be alright for the us military to force them to stay is ludicrous and horrifying. The reason it won't happen is that you're unlikely to get that many people voting for it.
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;51346563]If California had a referendum and a significant portion of the population gave a significant majority in favour of independence, the idea that it would be alright for the us military to force them to stay is ludicrous and horrifying. The reason it won't happen is that you're unlikely to get that many people voting for it.[/QUOTE]
a referendum would be shut down before it started
even so using the military would be retarded and only exacerbate things. why use force when you can coerce?
I don't think California should secede, but it does raise the question about the US becoming too big to fail. The entire population of the US during its foundation could fit into California today, with room to spare. There were thirteen states on the east coast then, now there's forty-eight across an entire continent, plus Hawaii and Alaska.
And power has become too-centralised (especially since the 30's), beyond the intentions of the founders. People living in California are subject to the same laws as people who live a thousand miles away. You can't possibly have a government that can adequately serve >300 million people. That's probably one of the reasons why America is so polarised today.
Decentralisation to the states would be a step too far, but I wonder if it would work if a fourth level of government was inserted in-between state and federal (call it regional) governments and have most domestic issues devolved down from the federal level to the regional level. New England states can make their own laws, separate from southern states, separate from western states etc. But everyone is still an American.
[QUOTE=Redcoat893;51346441]You do know what they want A Caexit, a referendum, not a war. It is one state, not a 1/3 of the landmass of the country, and a New Power on the North American subcontinent would not be left wanting for allies, Mexico, Canada, Maybe even Russia or Japan. California could theoretically Nationalize Some ships until they are able to build others, and Piracy is not that common, nd until you get a Navy of your own you could request that your trading partners ensure the protection of the shipping, hundreds of thousands of Commercial Vessels do trading on the seas every day, and you don't often hear of them getting raided by pirates do you?
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Look at the Scottish plan for if they left the Union, they could take guidelines from that, just look at all the resources a theoretical California could have, and think if Oregon and Washington Decided to do the same, and make a Greater Cascadia esque nation, that means border access to land trade from Canada and Mexico, as well as Sea trade to Asia. That's 3 states out of 50, and already they would be in a strong position.[/QUOTE]
The US would not allow California to take everything they can, the less the better for the US. On top of that, it won't matter if a referendum happens, it'll only be non-binding. It is [I]illegal[/I] for a state to leave the union. Period.
It's amazing people actually think, should California have a successful leave referendum, the US federal government would authorize military force to stop them. This is the modern world in a 1st world country, issues like this are not solved with state sanctioned bloodshed because it isn't effective; if a population want's freedom from some rule, murdering their friends doesn't convince them of the error of their ways. It may suppress their movement for a time, but it will only inflame their desire for freedom.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;51347844]It's amazing people actually think, should California have a successful leave referendum, the US federal government would authorize military force to stop them. This is the modern world in a 1st world country, issues like this are not solved with state sanctioned bloodshed because it isn't effective; if a population want's freedom from some rule, murdering their friends doesn't convince them of the error of their ways. It may suppress their movement for a time, but it will only inflame their desire for freedom.[/QUOTE]
The to-be commander in chief believes in order to stop the Islamic State we need to "bomb the shit out of them" so really who knows right now? Not that we'd get fucking nuked but I doubt a Trump presidency is going to be as pacifist.
[QUOTE=Phycosymo;51347920]The to-be commander in chief believes in order to stop the Islamic State we need to "bomb the shit out of them" so really who knows right now? Not that we'd get fucking nuked but I doubt a Trump presidency is going to be as pacifist.[/QUOTE]
Can't wait for the draft to be reinstated.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;51347844]It's amazing people actually think, should California have a successful leave referendum, the US federal government would authorize military force to stop them. This is the modern world in a 1st world country, issues like this are not solved with state sanctioned bloodshed because it isn't effective; if a population want's freedom from some rule, murdering their friends doesn't convince them of the error of their ways. It may suppress their movement for a time, but it will only inflame their desire for freedom.[/QUOTE]
your thinking of World War 3 with bombs being dropped all over california or something, pretty sure they mean that they will go into martial law and secure it. that or they get sanctioned to hell and the 'country' crumbles
[QUOTE=Phycosymo;51347920]The to-be commander in chief believes in order to stop the Islamic State we need to "bomb the shit out of them" so really who knows right now? Not that we'd get fucking nuked but I doubt a Trump presidency is going to be as pacifist.[/QUOTE]
Its been the current plan for the past few years. How long have we been doing it?
Ahahahahaha why not instead of trying to leave to country make efforts to build better relations and fix the damn thing. There's a reason that the majority of the land mass is painted red.
It's inconceivable for California to leave the union. They're as much Americans as anyone else in the country. You guys want to leave for what, money? Because you have the biggest economy? Guess what, that's only built because you're connected to the rest of the nation.
On top of that, Trump won 33% of the vote in California. That's a sizable minority. Not every Californian wants to leave because you're whining about your lack of a democratic president. A good number of you [I]wanted[/I] this.
Why do people think secession is the answer to their problems?
I would think that would cause more problems than its worth.
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