• #Calexit Californians want to exit the U.S. after Trump’s presidential win
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[QUOTE=space1;51356932]Good, we never needed you anyway. It's not like that would screw up the global economy or anything. I think it's this divisive attitude that is the root cause for a lot of our problems in America, and it's causing us to take more radical stances on issues.[/QUOTE] You're forgetting that this "divisive attitude" is what got America founded in the first place. Also it's hardly limited to us. Brexit? Scottish Independence? North/Republic of Ireland? Arab Spring? I doubt you could name a country in the world that hasn't had some form of divisiveness in it at some point in its history.
[QUOTE=italics560;51351593]Think what you want, but it really doesn't matter. Marines win battles, and you don't do that by being nice. That's why people who are soft don't and shouldn't join the military. Because the putting somebody without a spine into a combat zone will only get themselves and their comrades killed. Especially somewhere like the Marine Corps, which is our premier fighting force. All I'm saying is that if there was an [B]armed conflict[/B] between seceded California and us, it wouldn't last very long and they would suffer heavy losses. And most people that join the Marines are tough as hell who tend to be a little more on the conservative side. They don't buy into the bullshit "safe space" and PC stuff. They don't care about your feelings, and will not hesitate to tell you. You may not like them, me, or the military, but they're the ones who fight and die while you sit at your desk and talk shit. I've been all around the world and have seen and done things you couldn't imagine. I've done humanitarian operations in East Asia after super typhoons ripped it apart, I've done search and rescue after helicopter crashes, I've seen combat, and I've trained other nations militaries. What have you done with your life lately?[/QUOTE] I dunno, I'm studying to become a doctor. Guess I'll never be shooting dudes and not caring like you, and I won't be anywhere near as cool either. You're basically superior version of me in every way. Mad respect bro. School isn't for everybody.
[url]https://twitter.com/shervin/status/796504228948824065[/url] This can't be real.
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[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;51355501]Great. Leave, and take your bullshit never-split 55 electoral votes with you. Getting tired of y'all swinging that around. But before you go, be fair to all the red counties and split the state up. It's high time you stop dictating the entire state's course on thin majority.[/QUOTE] Clinton getting 62% of the popular vote isn't a thin majority lol.
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I'm not saying this will happen, because I don't think it will, but if California and some other states like Washington did and they had nuclear weapons; wouldn't invading them if they seceded be a risk of a MAD scenario? Granted it's probably under federal control, and like I said I don't think this would happen.
[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;51419099]I'm not saying this will happen, because I don't think it will, but if California and some other states like Washington did and they had nuclear weapons; wouldn't invading them if they seceded be a risk of a MAD scenario? Granted it's probably under federal control, and like I said I don't think this would happen.[/QUOTE] Military is federal, seceding properly would require giving up those assets, and the military isn't about to attack itself because a bunch of civilians told them to defend their states right to violently separate themselves from federal control. Seriously just because nukes are located in a state doesn't mean that the state itself is in control of them. If Turkey left NATO they don't get to keep our nukes.
Run from your problems! Run. Instead of sticking around and trying to make the country better and keeping certain rights in check run away! Stomp your feet and take the ball home after you lost.
If Californians want to leave then what right do the rest of us have to stop them? Everybody should have the right to run their own lands however they wish.
I really hope these people aren't being serious. They realize there is literally no way California would be able to succeed nearly every citizen became apart of some militia group and considering Cali's stance on guns, I highly doubt that.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51419258]If Californians want to leave then what right do the rest of us have to stop them? Everybody should have the right to run their own lands however they wish.[/QUOTE] This is called the right to self-determination.
Yeah that's what I thought, I was just checking. Thanks.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51419258]If Californians want to leave then what right do the rest of us have to stop them? Everybody should have the right to run their own lands however they wish.[/QUOTE]The right as a unified major national entity of interlinked, interdependent components they agreed to join. [editline]23rd November 2016[/editline] We also have a responsibility to not let them because it is skull-fucking braindead. Friends don't let friends secede from major international bodies that basically justify the existence of the friend and keep it safe and functioning.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51419258]If Californians want to leave then what right do the rest of us have to stop them? Everybody should have the right to run their own lands however they wish.[/QUOTE] If I recall correctly, Texas v. White is precedent of the Supreme Court and deemed that a unilateral secession was unconstitutional (in other words, against the Constitution), and due to the supremacy clause, that would mean the Constitution has the right to stop them. In other words, as long as the Supreme Court interprets secession as unconstitutional, it will remain that way.
Out, out, out! No really. California, please leave. We don't want you here, and you don't want to stay, so...
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51419332]Bilaterally, there is still a window for talks. 38 states agreeing, constituional amendment to provide a mechanism yadda yadda... Pretty improbable isnt equal to impossible.[/QUOTE]No, its impossible. Just because the mechanics to allow it are there does not make it any less impossible.
Why are people even discussing this anymore, it's going around in a circle. We establish that no, Cali can't secede. Then someone says "but maybe??" and we reestablish that no, Cali can't secede. It's a pretty shitty cycle where only like two people are for it.
but more than two people are for it???
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51419258]If Californians want to leave then what right do the rest of us have to stop them? Everybody should have the right to run their own lands however they wish.[/QUOTE] Perhaps when they're a separate, distinguished people than the greater country, but they're not. They're as American as I am all the way in New Jersey.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51419599]Perhaps when they're a separate, distinguished people than the greater country, but they're not. They're as American as I am all the way in New Jersey.[/QUOTE] a lot of californians feel like they're not american first, rather that they're californians first; I can name a ton of people who i know who feel like me on this issue as well.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;51419672]a lot of californians feel like they're not american first, rather that they're californians first; I can name a ton of people who i know who feel like me on this issue as well.[/QUOTE] They can feel like it when they lose an election, but that they're not. They're Americans.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;51419672]a lot of californians feel like they're not american first, rather that they're californians first; I can name a ton of people who i know who feel like me on this issue as well.[/QUOTE] Californians were always a different sort, so this isn't surprising at all.
Yeah, this wont happen lol. Especially not the way the people who is for this wants it to. As previously stated. Cutting ties with a sovereign nation, or state in this case, is not a day-by-day thing. Should they go through with it, it would take years to be completely independent. Which gives the rest of the states plenty of time to impede their progress. It's wishfull thinking for some, that will not go anywhere.
oh yeah, seccede with the US and take a big part of the debt YOU gave to the whole US :v: that's something most seceders don't get if you successfully get independant, you also get a whole load of thing in your hand including the debt.
you can come to canada, california [sp]then later down the line we can trade with the US for alaska[/sp]
If it ever happens, I'd shed my citizenry in a heartbeat. I was born in Arizona so I would probably be able to get naturalized citizenship (if the domino effect works to plan). But this will probably take too long and by time it can even be voted on we'll have a democrat president again. Point being though, it's not going to happen. If Texas can't get off it's ass to do it California sure as fuck won't.
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51420931]oh yeah, seccede with the US and take a big part of the debt YOU gave to the whole US :v: that's something most seceders don't get if you successfully get independant, you also get a whole load of thing in your hand including the debt.[/QUOTE] Is California really responsible for a lot of US debt?
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51420931]oh yeah, seccede with the US and take a big part of the debt YOU gave to the whole US :v: that's something most seceders don't get if you successfully get independant, you also get a whole load of thing in your hand including the debt.[/QUOTE] Uh california accounts for a massive amount of the country's wealth. Without CA the US would quickly fall out as a top economy.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;51421849]Uh california accounts for a massive amount of the country's wealth. Without CA the US would quickly fall out as a top economy.[/QUOTE] CA can have fun trying to renegotiate all those free trade deals it currently gets with the US. California would have zero credibility, being a new 'country', and as such would be on the losing end every time. The California economy is a part of the American economy. It is NOT a separate entity that which can easily be removed with political ties to the rest of the US. It's just as integrated as Texas's economy is.
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