• Religious circumcision of kids now a crime says Germany
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[QUOTE=nerdster409;36503360]I wouldn't call it mutilation. You aren't grotesquely disfiguring someone or taking away an essential body part.[/QUOTE] The problem with circumcisions isn't the mutilation of a child's body alone. Rather, people are more pissed that ritual mutilations are done to children who have no idea nor an opinion to voice on what is being done to their bodies. Circumcision for reasons other than medical complications should be a choice made by a mature person who knows what he is doing.
[QUOTE=valkery;36500613]No, but it destroys sensitivity and is a useless procedure unless you have a medical condition that requires it.[/QUOTE] There is no consensus on whether or not it actually reduces sensitivity. There are significant findings that say it does reduce sensitivity, does not reduce sensitivity, and even some peer reviewed cases actually show an increase in sensitivity. Turns out sensitivity is a lot more complicated than whether or not you have a foreskin. Though I do like the ruling. Religious circumcision isn't right. It should only be done if a medical expert recommends it. [editline]26th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=TonyP;36503643][B]mu·ti·late[/B] (mytl-t) 1. To deprive of a limb or an essential part; cripple. [I][B]2. To disfigure by damaging irreparably: mutilate a statue.[/B][/I] 3. To make imperfect by excising or altering parts. [B]disfigure[/B] [dɪsˈfɪgə] 1. to spoil the appearance or shape of; deface 2. to mar the effect or quality of[/QUOTE] I don't see how any of that applies to circumcision, and I don't get why you bold definition 2. Circumcision isn't irreparable damage. Circumcision is no more damage to your body than having an appendix removed. That being said, there are far better reasons to have your appendix removed than getting circumcision, but circumcision isn't "mutilation." It's a medical procedure that just usually isn't necessary.
[QUOTE=just-a-boy;36503839]The problem with circumcisions isn't the mutilation of a child's body alone. Rather, people are more pissed that ritual mutilations are done to children who have no idea nor an opinion to voice on what is being done to their bodies. Circumcision for reasons other than medical complications should be a choice made by a mature person who knows what he is doing.[/QUOTE] I expect my parents were mature enough to choose for me.
[QUOTE=just-a-boy;36503839]The problem with circumcisions isn't the mutilation of a child's body alone. Rather, people are more pissed that ritual mutilations are done to children who have no idea nor an opinion to voice on what is being done to their bodies. Circumcision for reasons other than medical complications should be a choice made by a mature person who knows what he is doing.[/QUOTE] Stop calling circumcision mutilation, mutilation is a buzz word for circumcision. And I agree that it should be a choice. But stop saying mutilation because it doesnt damage/disfigure the dick unless it has complications. Its rude to say that cut people's dicks are an abomination when half the time they didn't choose to be like that. I could easily Uncut looks and sounds disgusting, but that is rude and stupid.
Are Jews allowed to get it removed later in their lives or does it have to be a child birth?
[QUOTE=codemaster85;36503994]Stop calling circumcision mutilation, mutilation is a buzz word for circumcision. And I agree that it should be a choice. But stop saying mutilation because it doesnt damage/disfigure the dick unless it has complications. Its rude to say that cut people's dicks are an abomination when half the time they didn't choose to be like that. I could easily Uncut looks and sounds disgusting, but that is rude and stupid.[/QUOTE] When people use circumcision, mutilation, and religion all in the same sentence, it is pretty obvious they have no idea why much of the world is circumcised. Circumcision became popular because people thought that benefits of circumcision were far greater than they actually were, and it simply became tradition. A great deal of the U.S. population is circumcised, but not because of religion. "Christians circumcise their children because the bible... yada yada yada." That's not really true. Christians dropped the circumcision and dietary laws because people did NOT want to be circumcised back then. The reason it got so popular was because people thought it was far more beneficial than it actually is. It still is very beneficial in certain developing nations too.
Oh hey look it's that thread again where people who had no choice dismiss the problem as nonexistent and people who never were circumcised defend the option for voluntary or medically needed circumcision only. I wonder how it will go this time
[QUOTE=Murkrow;36504099]Oh hey look it's that thread again where people who had no choice dismiss the problem as nonexistent and people who never were circumcised defend the option for voluntary or medically needed circumcision only. I wonder how it will go this time[/QUOTE] I'm circumcised and I'm on the voluntary or medically needed circumcision. What are you saying? [editline]26th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;36504007]Are Jews allowed to get it removed later in their lives or does it have to be a child birth?[/QUOTE] They can get circumcised whenever. It's just safer to get circumcised as a child, less chances of complications. That is why a lot of people have it done at birth.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;36504153]I'm circumcised and I'm on the voluntary or medically needed circumcision. [/QUOTE] When you say "medically needed," do you mean "It needs to be done or his dick will fall off!" or "It doesn't [I]need[/I] to be done, but it wouldn't hurt"?
[QUOTE=Funcoot;36504153] They can get circumcised whenever. It's just safer to get circumcised as a child, less chances of complications. That is why a lot of people have it done at birth.[/QUOTE] Well at least it's not totally buggering them then, I'd hate for them to feel they're damned by god or something because they didn't get it as a baby.
[QUOTE=nerdster409;36504242]When you say "medically needed," do you mean "It needs to be done or his dick will fall off!" or "It doesn't [I]need[/I] to be done, but it wouldn't hurt"?[/QUOTE] If the doctor recommends it. A reproductive specialist knows more about the reasons than we do. I'm sure circumcision is more beneficial to some people than others. [editline]26th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;36504258]Well at least it's not totally buggering them then, I'd hate for them to feel they're damned by god or something because they didn't get it as a baby.[/QUOTE] Circumcision for religion is silly. I think it's just done to further indoctrinate children into the belief. But that being said, most of the people that are circumcised in America aren't Jewish, so people are getting circumcised for religion, not in America anyways.
Great, now do this in Canada 19 fucking years ago and I'd be happy :(
So is this meant to stop circumcision entirely, or simply move it from the hospital to areas where complications are more likely to arise?
[QUOTE=Karmah;36504431]Great, now do this in Canada 19 fucking years ago and I'd be happy :([/QUOTE] Why are you so sad that you're circumcised? [editline]26th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Canuhearme?;36504443]So is this meant to stop circumcision entirely, or simply move it from the hospital to areas where complications are more likely to arise?[/QUOTE] Circumcisions shouldn't be allowed to be performed by anyone that isn't a doctor. Period.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;36504468] Circumcisions shouldn't be allowed to be performed by anyone that isn't a doctor. Period.[/QUOTE] So if some parents are dead set on this regardless of the verdict, who exactly are they going to have circumcise their child?
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;36504561]So if some parents are dead set on this regardless of the verdict, who exactly are they going to have circumcise their child?[/QUOTE] Then you hit the negative side of something like this. If parents are going to illegally circumcise their child, they're going to do it, and you increase the risk of a botched circumcision. You have to take the good with the bad when you ban something.
Who'd of thought it be the Germans
and now there will be a 16000% rise in the amount of 'medical' circumcisions in Germany.
Eww, remind me not to hook up with any Europeans. Uncircumcised dicks are scary looking!!!
[QUOTE=jesse1412;36506400]and now there will be a 16000% rise in the amount of 'medical' circumcisions in Germany.[/QUOTE] Not for kids there won't. Some kids being circumcised illegally however, there will most definitely be cases of that.
You guys just seem to be talking about sex, but i'm pretty sure this is banned because the procedure can be dangerous and even an amazingly painful experience for an infant. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLGcqPE7xu0[/media] [b]9:25[/b]
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[QUOTE=plokoon9619;36506608]Eww, remind me not to hook up with any Europeans. Uncircumcised dicks are scary looking!!![/QUOTE] I think it'd be a better idea to inform all Europeans not to hook up with you. That level of stupidity is scary.
[QUOTE=plokoon9619;36506608]Eww, remind me not to hook up with any Europeans. Uncircumcised dicks are scary looking!!![/QUOTE]What? I love uncut dicks. They're the best.
[QUOTE=nerdster409;36504242]When you say "medically needed," do you mean "It needs to be done or his dick will fall off!" or "It doesn't [I]need[/I] to be done, but it wouldn't hurt"?[/QUOTE] The most common issue (and one that affected my firend at birth) is that the dick inside the skin is too large for the foreskin, which would have resulted in painful stretching or even a split.
Surely you guys know that girls prefer a guy that has been circumcise- oh right, I'm on facepunch. Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about this. On one hand it's better to get it done by a professional(a doctor), and on the other hand people should be allowed their religious rights.
[QUOTE=Zet;36508103]Surely you guys know that girls prefer a guy that has been circumcise- oh right, I'm on facepunch. Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about this. On one hand it's better to get it done by a professional(a doctor), and on the other hand people should be allowed their religious rights.[/QUOTE]I've never known any civilized nation that gives religions the freedom to cut up other humans, especially humans who don't get a choice in the matter. Also, I've known some who prefer circumcised dicks, and some who prefer uncircumsized dicks. As I said, my preference is for uncut.
Never going to happen in "cut ALL the dicks" America.
[QUOTE=Metalcastr;36508149]Never going to happen in "cut ALL the dicks" America.[/QUOTE]This post makes me laugh a lot more than it probably should.
[QUOTE=Zet;36508103]Surely you guys know that girls prefer a guy that has been circumcise- oh right, I'm on facepunch. Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about this. On one hand it's better to get it done by a professional(a doctor), and on the other hand people should be allowed their religious rights.[/QUOTE] No religious rights are being threatened here. From what I understand the child is perfectly free to have the procedure done when he's of the age where he can make his own decision(That's a pretty debatable question though). The parents are still free to practice their religion, they just can't consent to having their child circumcised before he knows what he's doing. If all this law means is that people wait longer and get it done by a professional I think that's enough.
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