• Religious circumcision of kids now a crime says Germany
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While I completely agree with that religious circumsision should not be made on kids, this will not stop it. In fact, it will only make it worse as it will still happen, just in secrecy without the standard medical safety procedures.
Seeing as this is now illegal, I wonder how many kids are going to have ruined penises due to the procedure happening somewhere that isn't a hospital.
I'm circumcised. Please don't call me a mutilated freak for something I never asked for.
If the family and the kid all decide they want a circumcision later on when he is old enough to decide, so bet it. I don't think it should be forced on the kid, for any reason except medical necessity. The child doesn't have the ability to make the choice, and then he has to live with it. Whether it makes any significant difference in his life or not, it's his penis, let him figure it out when he gets older.
germans will now go from the stereotype of being unfunny to all having hotpocket dicks
[QUOTE=Bentham;36508555]If the family and the kid all decide they want a circumcision later on when he is old enough to decide, so bet it. I don't think it should be forced on the kid, for any reason except medical necessity. [B]The child doesn't have the ability to make the choice, and then he has to live with it.[/B] Whether it makes any significant difference in his life or not, it's his penis, let him figure it out when he gets older.[/QUOTE] When a child doesn't have the ability to make a choice due to their age, shouldn't the choice be given to the parents?
A step in the right direction Germany
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;36509329]When a child doesn't have the ability to make a choice due to their age, shouldn't the choice be given to the parents?[/QUOTE] If professional medical opinion suggests circumcision to avoid complications for the child, the choice has been made already. If there's nothing at all wrong with the kid, it simply isn't the parent's place to decide for him.
Can't wait to see the headlines "German boy dies from infection after circumcision completed by untrained parents."
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;36509534]Can't wait to see the headlines "German boy dies from infection after circumcision completed by untrained parents."[/QUOTE]The only ones who would bear any blame in that situation would be the parents.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;36509559]The only ones who would bear any blame in that situation would be the parents.[/QUOTE] I never meant to imply anything different. It's just a shame that this is going to happen anyway, that's all.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;36509329]When a child doesn't have the ability to make a choice due to their age, shouldn't the choice be given to the parents?[/QUOTE] Not always. If it's in regards to religious beliefs, as is the case with these circumcisions, I believe it should be delayed until the child can make the choice. It's not a medical necessity, so it should be up to the kid. If it were something important, like a surgery to prevent health complications, it should definitely be up to the parents, as they must act to ensure the health of their child. But in an instance where they are imposing their religious values by cutting flesh off an infant, no, I don't think that should be okay.
[QUOTE=Kendra;36500671]Lets cut off the little toes, we don't need those, we can still walk fine without those![/QUOTE] Wow, you know you're right! Removing an entire [b]appendage[/b] like this... [img]http://www.climb.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/broken-pinkie-toe-xray.jpg[/img] ...is just like removing a piece of skin with no bone or muscle at all! Both procedures are equally as safe!
Guys, this will also include Islamic circumcision of girls and boys, as well as Jewish boys. Glad they made the decision though, if the procedure is decided on medical grounds I'm 100% for it, but to perform it for any such belief is negligence. This also raises an ethical dilemma from an informed consent perspective, given that the child won't have the cognitive functions to make the decision and relies on the unbiased and honest decision of the parents -- which is so frequently not afforded.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;36503913]I don't see how any of that applies to circumcision, and I don't get why you bold definition 2. Circumcision isn't irreparable damage. Circumcision is no more damage to your body than having an appendix removed.[/QUOTE] That you don't value that portion of the body doesn't stop it from being damage. I don't particularly value your head, yet I'm not going to argue decapitating you doesn't damage [I]you.[/I] Whether or not the person with the knife thinks something is worth keeping is irrelevant barring medical recommendation. [QUOTE=codemaster85;36503994]Stop calling circumcision mutilation, mutilation is a buzz word for circumcision. And I agree that it should be a choice. But stop saying mutilation because it doesnt damage/disfigure the dick unless it has complications. Its rude to say that cut people's dicks are an abomination when half the time they didn't choose to be like that. I could easily Uncut looks and sounds disgusting, but that is rude and stupid.[/QUOTE] How about instead of compromising our language to fit you not knowing what words mean, you learn what words mean? Mutilation has been a term for both a maiming (your disfigurement connotation) and the removal of a noteworthy part via cutting [URL="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=mutilate"]for a few[/URL] [URL="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=mutilation"]centuries.[/URL] Circumcision removes an anatomically significant component of the body via cutting. It's mutilation. It can be worthwhile mutilation in your mind, [I]but that's what it is.[/I] Whether or not it's an "abomination" comes from a subjective feeling of disgust at the results of the mutilation. Though I'm not sure what your issue there is, either. If people are worried about the existence of a group with a negative stereotype because of an involuntary procedure maybe their effort should be focused on stopping further procedures, not pretending they don't occur. [QUOTE=Funcoot;36504049]Circumcision became popular because people thought that benefits of circumcision were far greater than they actually were, and it simply became tradition. A great deal of the U.S. population is circumcised, but not because of religion. "Christians circumcise their children because the bible... yada yada yada." That's not really true. Christians dropped the circumcision and dietary laws because people did NOT want to be circumcised back then. The reason it got so popular was because people thought it was far more beneficial than it actually is.[/QUOTE] Fascinating hypothesis. Citations needed. [editline]26th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=milkandcooki;36509762]Wow, you know you're right! Removing an entire [b]appendage[/b] like this... [img]http://www.climb.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/broken-pinkie-toe-xray.jpg[/img] ...is just like removing a piece of skin with no bone or muscle at all! Both procedures are equally as safe![/QUOTE] Your brain doesn't have any bone or muscle either, wiseass. It also doesn't appear to have much in the way of mass.
[quote]Your brain doesn't have any bone or muscle either, wiseass. It also doesn't appear to have much in the way of mass.[/QUOTE] He was being facetious.
I always wondered how this happens. Especially with orthodox Jews, they keep their hair and beard long and only trim them, because God tells them not to mess with their body. ... So they cut off part of their dick?
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i'm circumcised and i dont disagree with this.
[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;36510804]i'm circumcised and i dont disagree with this.[/QUOTE] double negatives! :eng101:
[QUOTE=C47;36510813]double negatives! :eng101:[/QUOTE] fuck you can't not tell me what to do!!
[QUOTE=demoguy08;36500492]Deal with it or get out :)[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]"serious interference in the right to freedom of religion."[/QUOTE] Better response is that circumcision is a "serious interference in the right to freedom of kids not getting their penises screwed up." [editline]26th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=nerdster409;36503987]I expect my parents were mature enough to choose for me.[/QUOTE] Mine weren't, now I can't go back.
I don't see why this is that big of deal. Nobody is defined by the hood of their warrior. Maybe I just don't understand it completely. I wouldn't outlaw it that seems a bit extreme. If people want a less sensitive membrum virile, so be it. It's not like a life-altering decision. [editline]27th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=cis.joshb;36510911]Better response is that circumcision is a "serious interference in the right to freedom of kids not getting their penises screwed up." [editline]26th June 2012[/editline] Mine weren't, now I can't go back.[/QUOTE] "screwed up?" "can't go back?" Has the decision of you parents to circumcise you just devastated your life? I'm no hooded warrior and I can still perform all the functions of a hooded one. In the end, hooded or not, they are all penises and they all perform the same function. Big, small, black or white I think we can all appreciate the penis we have.
Personally I am circumcised and while I agree it should be a choice and parent's shouldn't be able to force it, people really need to get off their high horse and stop acting like this is the worst thing that could ever happen to a man, it really isn't that bad.
[QUOTE=Dah-thla;36511742]I don't see why this is that big of deal. Nobody is defined by the hood of their warrior. Maybe I just don't understand it completely. I wouldn't outlaw it that seems a bit extreme. If people want a less sensitive membrum virile, so be it. It's not like a life-altering decision.[/QUOTE]Its not outlawed for everyone, it just can't be conducted on a child without a medical reason that necessitates it. [QUOTE=Dah-thla;36511742]"screwed up?" "can't go back?" Has the decision of you parents to circumcise you just devastated your life? I'm no hooded warrior and I can still perform all the functions of a hooded one. In the end, hooded or not, they are all penises and they all perform the same function. Big, small, black or white I think we can all appreciate the penis we have.[/QUOTE]Aside from the fact that its has never really shown any notable medical benefits and potentially has some drawbacks, its the issue that it is disfiguring someone who not only isn't consenting, but can't even consent and ultimately will never get to make that choice on their own.
[QUOTE=Dah-thla;36511742]I don't see why this is that big of deal. Nobody is defined by the hood of their warrior. Maybe I just don't understand it completely. I wouldn't outlaw it that seems a bit extreme. If people want a less sensitive membrum virile, so be it. It's not like a life-altering decision.[/QUOTE] People can still be circumsized. If they want. [editline]27th June 2012[/editline] you just can't do it to your child because your millenia old holy book says so
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;36509847]That you don't value that portion of the body doesn't stop it from being damage. I don't particularly value your head, yet I'm not going to argue decapitating you doesn't damage [I]you.[/I] Whether or not the person with the knife thinks something is worth keeping is irrelevant [B]barring medical recommendation.[/B][/QUOTE] Please go look at the definition of damage. [B][I]damage[/I][/B] [TABLE="class: ts"] [TR] [TD]Noun:[/TD] [TD][TABLE="class: ts"] [TR] [TD]Physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Circumcision does not impair the value, usefulness, or normal function of your penis. It is not mutilation. Get over it. And before you start arguing about all of the negative consequences about circumcision, take a minute to analyze the peer reviewed studies. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_effects_of_circumcision#Summary_of_research_findings[/URL] You will see no difference found a great deal of the time. Also, way to ignore the part where I said it shouldn't be done without medical recommendation. And good job comparing circumcision to decapitation. At this point, you're just trying to be zingy and ignoring what I said.
[quote]Your brain doesn't have any bone or muscle either, wiseass. It also doesn't appear to have much in the way of mass.[/quote] If you really want to split hairs, you have to literally split hairs and cut open bone to remove my brain :V I think circumcision is an absolutely unneeded procedure (to most humans.) However, the differences between someone having a mushroom dick or a meat sock are insignificant.
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