• Religious circumcision of kids now a crime says Germany
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[QUOTE=Funcoot;36514461]Please go look at the definition of damage. [B][I]damage[/I][/B] [TABLE="class: ts"] [TR] [TD]Noun:[/TD] [TD][TABLE="class: ts"] [TR] [TD]Physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Circumcision does not impair the value, usefulness, or [B]normal function[/B] of your penis.[/QUOTE] Are you functionally retarded or do you just pretend to be for fun? You are, again, defining "normal function" with your own subjective assessment of value. Normally the penis has a flap which moves during various activities and covers something. That stops happening after circumcision. I am not sure how you're failing to comprehend this. "Normal function" does not mean "function I give a shit about". Again, I give zero fucks about your ability to think, since you quite clearly aren't at present, yet you would have an issue with having your head bashed in. [QUOTE=milkandcooki;36515525]However, the differences between someone having a mushroom dick or a meat sock are insignificant.[/QUOTE] The differences are [I]unknown,[/I] according to the WHO, as there isn't a medical consensus on its impact on sexual function due to methodological variances between tests; similarly, the role it plays in protecting the glans hasn't been studied well.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;36520468]Are you functionally retarded or do you just pretend to be for fun? You are, again, defining "normal function" with your own subjective assessment of value. Normally the penis has a flap which moves during various activities and covers something. That stops happening after circumcision. I am not sure how you're failing to comprehend this. "Normal function" does not mean "function I give a shit about". Again, I give zero fucks about your ability to think, since you quite clearly aren't at present, yet you would have an issue with having your head bashed in.[/QUOTE] You argue with such tact. It's funny how at the end of the day we are on the same side, but because I do not agree with you about circumcision being mutilation (many medical experts would argue otherwise as well), I am functionally retarded. Get over yourself.
The main reason these arguments begin (and last this long) is because people get butthurt when you call their dicks mutilated.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;36521027]The main reason these arguments begin (and last this long) is because people get butthurt when you call their dicks mutilated.[/QUOTE] I'm circumcised, and I don't care if someone on the internet thinks it is "mutilated." It works fine. It's just silly that people make such an invalid statement. Refer to Merriam Webster. I will link relevant definitions. [URL="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mutilate"]Mutilate[/URL] 1: to cut up or alter radically so as to make imperfect <the child mutilated the book with his scissors> 2: to cut off or permanently destroy a limb or essential part of : cripple By Merriam definition, your foreskin is not a [URL="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/limb"]limb[/URL] or an essential part of your body. Circumcision does not cripple you in anyway, not is it a radical alteration. By Merriam definition, medical circumcision does not cause your penis to become [URL="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imperfect"]imperfect.[/URL] I am using Merriam for this debate as it is the standard to settle arguments such as these. This should be enough to settle this stupid assumption, but it probably wont be. By definition and intent, circumcision is not mutilation. That being said, I still don't think it should be done unless it is voluntary or medically necessary.
If you don't care then why the hell did you go and link me the definition and write out that stuff? I really don't care, and neither should you. You should just stop posting and move on (and the arguing will die with it).
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;36521320]If you don't care then why the hell did you go and link me the definition and write out that stuff? I really don't care, and neither should you. You should just stop posting and move on (and the arguing will die with it).[/QUOTE] Why do you care that I disagree? I'm just showing that the statement is in fact wrong. It doesn't take much effort to link a few definitions. "Why come in here, disagree, and defend your argument?" What?
What about the babies circumcised just because it's standard procedure, not based on religion?
[QUOTE=Sr.;36521389]What about the babies circumcised just because it's standard procedure, not based on religion?[/QUOTE] The way the article sounds, it isn't going to stop that, which is unfortunate.
I hope you guys realize that circumcision of babies in europe is in 99% of the cases religious, there is no standard procedure circumcision here and yes, it covers that too "The court in Cologne decided that a legal guardian’s authority over a child does not allow them to subject them to the procedure, which the court called minor bodily harm, reports The Financial Times Deutschland." [editline]27th June 2012[/editline] and I don't know how it became so standard in the US, it baffles me really
[QUOTE=Chrille;36521449]I hope you guys realize that circumcision of babies in europe is in 99% of the cases religious, there is no standard procedure circumcision here and yes, it covers that too "The court in Cologne decided that a legal guardian’s authority over a child does not allow them to subject them to the procedure, which the court called minor bodily harm, reports The Financial Times Deutschland."[/QUOTE] Good then.
[QUOTE=CheeserCrice;36501246]Why? This just seems really anti-semitic and unfair for jews. [editline]26th June 2012[/editline] ...not like jews dont have enough reasons to dislike germany[/QUOTE] So just because some religions believe in female circumcision should we allow that to? Admittedly it's considerably worse than male circumcision but neither serve a medical purpose when it comes to religion. [video=youtube;y0NuCMKaRpY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0NuCMKaRpY[/video]
[QUOTE=Chrille;36521449]and I don't know how it became so standard in the US, it baffles me really[/QUOTE] People believed it to be far more beneficial than it actually was, and since it is a relatively minor and quick procedure, it quickly became tradition. Circumcision in America is not a religious affair most of the time.
[QUOTE=valkery;36500613]No, but it destroys sensitivity and is a useless procedure unless you have a medical condition that requires it.[/QUOTE] Um, what? I'm circumcised and I haven't had issues with sensitivity or really anything. The funniest part is that I'm not Jewish.
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;36522797]Um, what? I'm circumcised and I haven't had issues with sensitivity or really anything. The funniest part is that I'm not Jewish.[/QUOTE]You can't really say whether or not you have issues with sensitivity if you don't have a comparison point. Its like saying "My vision is perfect" without having any form of comparison, which is instead why we've come up with examinations that can compare one person's vision to a medical standard.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;36522888]You can't really say whether or not you have issues with sensitivity if you don't have a comparison point. Its like saying "My vision is perfect" without having any form of comparison, which is instead why we've come up with examinations that can compare one person's vision to a medical standard.[/QUOTE] Bad comparison, but yeah, you can't exactly say your sensitivity is fine if you've been circumcised from birth.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;36509847][B]That you don't value that portion of the body doesn't stop it from being damage. I don't particularly value your head, yet I'm not going to argue decapitating you doesn't damage [/B][I]you.[/I] Whether or not the person with the knife thinks something is worth keeping is irrelevant barring medical recommendation. How about instead of compromising our language to fit you not knowing what words mean, you learn what words mean? Mutilation has been a term for both a maiming (your disfigurement connotation) and the removal of a noteworthy part via cutting [URL="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=mutilate"]for a few[/URL] [URL="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=mutilation"]centuries.[/URL] Circumcision removes an anatomically significant component of the body via cutting. It's mutilation. It can be worthwhile mutilation in your mind, [I]but that's what it is.[/I] Whether or not it's an "abomination" comes from a subjective feeling of disgust at the results of the mutilation. Though I'm not sure what your issue there is, either. If people are worried about the existence of a group with a negative stereotype because of an involuntary procedure maybe their effort should be focused on stopping further procedures, not pretending they don't occur. Fascinating hypothesis. Citations needed. [editline]26th June 2012[/editline] Your brain doesn't have any bone or muscle either, wiseass. It also doesn't appear to have much in the way of mass.[/QUOTE] Dude, can you at least make an attempt to argue without making the most retarded analogies ever? I'm pretty sure removing a, debatably, useless sleeve of skin is not as significant as removing the single most vital part of the entire human body. [editline]27th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Kendra;36522958]Bad comparison, but yeah, you can't exactly say your sensitivity is fine if you've been circumcised from birth.[/QUOTE] Do you know exactly how much pleasure you feel from touching your shlong with and without a foreskin? Even if you did know for some odd reason, the sensitivity is insignificant. It's not like you're going to last an extra 10 minutes if you didn't have your meatsock ripped off after birth.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;36522888]You can't really say whether or not you have issues with sensitivity if you don't have a comparison point. Its like saying "My vision is perfect" without having any form of comparison, which is instead why we've come up with examinations that can compare one person's vision to a medical standard.[/QUOTE] Well, I'm not sure how the non-circumcised people feel, but it feels fine to me. Still pleasurable, still has as much feeling as any other nerve, e.t.c But now I'm talking to much and it's getting weird.
I was circumcised because religion, but I don't get why it matters so much whether you are or not?
you people seem to think that circumcision is cutting off the entire dick. Also muslims also have it and the cristians are also pissed about this as this is violating the freedom of religion.
Amazing how a largely vestigial part of the body causes such a shitstorm.
[QUOTE=demoguy08;36500492]Deal with it or get out :)[/QUOTE] I'm all for the banning of circumcision, but I do think that the jews have a right to be angry, Having an ancient religious practice banned all of a sudden.
[QUOTE=Dah-thla;36511742]I don't see why this is that big of deal. Nobody is defined by the hood of their warrior. Maybe I just don't understand it completely. I wouldn't outlaw it that seems a bit extreme. If people want a less sensitive membrum virile, so be it. It's not like a life-altering decision. [editline]27th June 2012[/editline] "screwed up?" "can't go back?" Has the decision of you parents to circumcise you just devastated your life? I'm no hooded warrior and I can still perform all the functions of a hooded one. In the end, hooded or not, they are all penises and they all perform the same function. Big, small, black or white I think we can all appreciate the penis we have.[/QUOTE] I love your terms, 'hooded warrior', 'unhooded warrior'. Where do you get them? I am a cutmen, and I approve of this. The bill, that is.
I'm circumcised and I really don't care that much, as long as it's still there in my book :v: But yeah, good on you Germany. This is definitely a step in the right direction.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;36502924]more like having an extra pocket with you at all times i usually keep my phone and my wallet in my foreskin.[/QUOTE] Holy shit bro what model do you have? I thought only vaginas could do that.
Yeah I didn't enjoy being circumcised without my opinion, although I would have had it done anyways I still want my choice in the matter as I'm sure some kids are not just carbon copies of their religious parents.
[QUOTE=Impact1986;36502862]Really, just shut up. Shut. Up.[/QUOTE] 'you disagree with what i think, stop talking!' calm down man.
[QUOTE=Dah-thla;36511742]"screwed up?" "can't go back?" Has the decision of you parents to circumcise you just devastated your life? I'm no hooded warrior and I can still perform all the functions of a hooded one. In the end, hooded or not, they are all penises and they all perform the same function. Big, small, black or white I think we can all appreciate the penis we have.[/QUOTE] And why should circumcision be the norm? If you get circumcised you can't truly go back without surgery (you can promote the growth of the foreskin again, but the frenulum isn't gonna come back on its own). It should be illegal (unless its for medical reasons) to force circumcision on somebody; the decision should be left to them when they're at an age where they can decide on their own. If they then decide TO be circumcised at like 18+ years of age, so be it. But if you DID circumcise them at birth, all of a sudden, the only way they can 'go back' to having a truly uncircumcised penis is with surgery. It's far easier TO circumcise than it is to UNcircumcise, so not circumcising should be the societal norm until the individual in question is mature enough to make the call on their own.
I don't think people who haven't been circumcised have a right to say if it's right or wrong. I being circumcised think it should be a choice, not banned.
[QUOTE=desertdog11;36532411]I don't think people who haven't been circumcised have a right to say if it's right or wrong.[/QUOTE] Why? [QUOTE]I being circumcised think it should be a choice, not banned.[/QUOTE] Nobody said it should be banned.
[QUOTE=desertdog11;36532411]I being circumcised think it should be a choice, not banned.[/QUOTE] well guess what :downs:
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