NSA and FBI demands SSL (HTTPS) encryption master keys
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Boy there must be a lot of terrorists in the world
[QUOTE=booster;41582661]What's next[/QUOTE]
"NSA demands spare keys to your house and schedule when you are going to be at work, just in case."
[QUOTE=Joazzz;41581524]this sounds like the kind of stuff that comes out of an NWO conspiracy theorist's mouth
the scary part is that you're probably right[/QUOTE]
I am acutely aware that I'm beginning to sound like a conspiracy theorist.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;41582949]I'm beginning to sound like a conspiracy theorist.[/QUOTE]in this case that might not be a bad thing
[QUOTE=The golden;41580530]Why can't people riot and protest over shit like this instead?[/QUOTE]
Because people who actually care about this do nothing but sit on their ass and play vidya while saying "Why can't other people protest -- OH LOOK, a new GTA V trailer!"
I'm not blaming just you because everyone does it. Hell, I do it too. Lots of people don't know about this shit, and it's our job to get the word out. We should get some topics on twitter and facebook trending, such as #StopNSA and other shit like that.
[QUOTE=Joazzz;41583060]in this case that might not be a bad thing[/QUOTE]
I'd like to see some evidence of the government *purposefully* 'allowing' Trayvon Martin protests to go on before jumping to the conclusion that they are doing so deliberately as a distraction.
yeh well i'm not 100% or even 25% convinced that corrupt rich politicians are trying to enslave us all for whatever reason, but i tbh wouldn't really be all that surprised at this point if that was the case. i'm generally being half serious in these threads, with the other 'half' being Deus Ex jokes
[QUOTE=Megafan;41583174]I'd like to see some evidence of the government *purposefully* 'allowing' Trayvon Martin protests to go on before jumping to the conclusion that they are doing so deliberately as a distraction.[/QUOTE]
They don't need to approve anything, the people riot of their own accord, which the media sensationalizes and obsesses over, which has the convenient side-effect of distracting the public from the real issues. The government doesn't have to do anything or exert any control of the media, they fuck up everything well enough by themselves.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;41580816]That right there. That is the shit you need to get fixed. If your fellow Americans were able to pay attention to actual issues and protest them, you might get shit done. But until you fix your media twisting everything, and hiding things they won't make a bomb from, that isn't going to happen.[/QUOTE]
ok
ill have it done by tomorrow
[QUOTE=Megafan;41583174]I'd like to see some evidence of the government *purposefully* 'allowing' Trayvon Martin protests to go on before jumping to the conclusion that they are doing so deliberately as a distraction.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://theweek.com/article/index/246804/did-the-justice-department-incite-the-2012-trayvon-martin-protests"]http://theweek.com/article/index/246804/did-the-justice-department-incite-the-2012-trayvon-martin-protests[/URL]
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[URL="http://americanglob.com/2013/07/10/did-the-department-of-justice-organize-trayvon-martin-protests/"]http://americanglob.com/2013/07/10/did-the-department-of-justice-organize-trayvon-martin-protests/[/URL]
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Not the best sources, but they are referencing the same FOIA document release.
holy damned apples
[QUOTE=Megafan;41583174]I'd like to see some evidence of the government *purposefully* 'allowing' Trayvon Martin protests to go on before jumping to the conclusion that they are doing so deliberately as a distraction.[/QUOTE]
the protesters are black androids created by the NSA
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;41580359]NSA and FBI can go fuck themselves.[/QUOTE]
Ever since the FBI DID catch all the Organized Criminals that were around in the Prohibition era, their new job is violating Human rights. And that includes both Red Scares.
[QUOTE=Joazzz;41583613]holy damned apples[/QUOTE]
That doesn't really do anything to prove my theory right. It's just a happy coincidence.
I mean that's why I'm calling myself a conspiracy theorist in this thread. It's completely baseless.
[editline]24th July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kuro.;41583406]They don't need to approve anything, the people riot of their own accord, which the media sensationalizes and obsesses over, which has the convenient side-effect of distracting the public from the real issues. The government doesn't have to do anything or exert any control of the media, they fuck up everything well enough by themselves.[/QUOTE]
huxley was right
[QUOTE=Alec W;41580499]Give them Rust Keys instead.[/QUOTE]
Yes.
Our form of weaponry would be rabid 9 year olds told by garry "There's rust keys in the NSA place, ask them to get one."
There are legal channels the FBI and NSA can go through. They don't need encryption keys.
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;41583846]There are legal channels the FBI and NSA can go through. They don't need encryption keys.[/QUOTE]
And those legal channels are slow and annoying and have all this oversight and bureaucratic bullshit and stuff. It's so much easier to just get access to the skeleton keys, especially if you're collecting everything important that's encrypted as it is.
[QUOTE=booster;41582661]What's next
"FBI and NSA demands nuclear launch codes"[/QUOTE]
Tangentially fun fact: from about 1970 to the Clinton administration (see: a long fucking time), the launch codes for Minuteman missiles were 00000000. And the RAF used a bike lock's key to arm their nukes.
[QUOTE=Keyblockor;41583799]Yes.
Our form of weaponry would be rabid 9 year olds told by garry "There's rust keys in the NSA place, ask them to get one."[/QUOTE]
We should make an NSA subforum where everyone yells "SSL KEYS PLZ" and spams giant pictures of Osama Bin Laden, AKA "That Terrorist".
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;41580576]Shut uuuuuuuuup, I'm trying to watch this American Idol rerun!
More serious, a disturbing number of people today fail to understand the incredible danger behind the phrase "if you don't have anything to hide, you have nothing to fear." They literally do not understand the giant abusive potential for such a policy.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand how you can freak out so badly about abusive potential when literally every part of government can be abused to fuck you over
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;41583846]There are legal channels the FBI and NSA can go through. They don't need encryption keys.[/QUOTE]
That means broadcasting your intent to flagrantly disregard everyone's right to privacy, which is bad because massive PR clusterfuck, lawsuits, and the fact that you are coming out and saying 'HEY EVERYONE, YOUR ENCRYPTION MEANS JACK SHIT NOW BECAUSE WE'VE COMPROMISED THE SECURITY KEYS FOR OUR OWN USE' means the people you intend to catch will move to something the fed doesn't have VIP access to (deepweb/TOR).
It's almost always better to covertly assert control of the infrastructure because you avoid the PR mess (unless some whistleblower leaks it) and the public/your intended targets aren't aware their supposedly 'secure' connection has been compromised.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;41580517]The joy of the current network model means we could relatively easily just drop a new encryption protocol in place of SSL if they do manage to get the keys. Though getting it adopted and used effectively is a different matter thanks to almost everything big using SSL now.[/QUOTE]
There's no need for a new protocol (Well, there is, TLS 1.1/1.2 is really needed), there aren't "master encryption keys" for TLS or something, it's on a per site basis.
If the NSA gets the encryption keys for site1.com, they can't decrypt the traffic for site2.com, etc.
well since the FISA Court agrees that the NSA and FBI haven't done anything wrong by reading and storing everyone's everything, i'm pretty sure they'll just say this is legal too
They haven't agreed yet according to the article though.
[QUOTE=Dacheet;41584111]Tangentially fun fact: from about 1970 to the Clinton administration (see: a long fucking time), the launch codes for Minuteman missiles were 00000000. And the RAF used a bike lock's key to arm their nukes.[/QUOTE]
I think the consoles were just set to 0 by default to make inputting the codes faster.
The American media sucks. If any of those douchebags really cared the general public would be all kinds of informed about the NSA and their shit. But no, we've got some Brave New World level shit instead.
I keep forgetting how the Internet is US-specific, and that they should have control over it.
How about no.
And if they do, self signed keys here we come!
[QUOTE=Epiclulz762;41581418]Yea see it this way; because of one or two users a site must give up the key to it's entire encryption, possibly compromising every other law-abiding user of said site.
This is a ridiculous approach to a solution, like unwrapping [b]every[/b] piece of USPS/Fedex/UPS then looking at it and then wrapping it back up again.
Everything can go wrong.
[editline]24th July 2013[/editline]
It's as if they are pushing people towards inconvenient ways of communicating, soon they'll be catching the carrier pigeons right outside your window.[/QUOTE]
IP over Avian Carrier [url]http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt[/url]
shut off all the media television shows and you get your riot, just tell them while placing very good fake evidence that the government did it because of "prevention of terrorism" or something crazy that they believe in.
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