• 480 000 sex crimes against women in Sweden - in a year
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[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;51307344]Hard to find a *reliable* one where the perpetrators race is mentioned because das raycis[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=!LORD M!;51307350]Would you care to look at my sources above? Or are statistics racist to you?[/QUOTE] if you're angry at people assuming everyone who disagrees with them is malicious, why are you assuming anyone here is going to brush off statistics as racist? seems kinda contradictory
I do have some insight in to why this is. As has been stated anything sexually related is considered a sexual crime, see the 6th chapter in the "brottsbalk". But the main reason statistics like these seem to indicate sex crimes are increasing is not really that they are. It's rather that it's not taboo to report crimes like these. Before the mindset has sort of been that "there's no evidence for the crime, so there is no reason to report it" but it has shifted so that even though people feel the reports might not lead anywhere they can themselves "move on" when they report it, wether it leads to someone found responsible for it or not. It used to be embarrasing to report someone for a sexual crime, but now the public view have shifted to that it's important crimes like these are reported. I myself think that immigration play a very small part in this, and my opinion is shared by Katarina Wennstam in her book "A true rapist" (en äkta våldtäktsman), where the media are more likely to cover stories regarding sexual crimes when an immigrant have committed them. Note that I am not saying there is no problem at all, but rather that it is exaggurated by the media. I think that these statistics are good, not because that there are this many sexual crimes committed, but because instead of there being five unreported sexual crimes for every reported crime, they all get reported and show that there is an important issue in our society we need to deal with.
[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;51308267]When did I ever say anything about genocide? Eradication =/= killing. I simply suggested we start to make a world-wide effort to get people away from religion since it's a major contributor to some of the things wrong in the world (i.e. jihad, the treating of women like dirt, the fanatical opposition of LGBT rights, women's rights to do what they want to their bodies, etc.) Religion is and always has been a way of controlling people under the guise of doing good and humans are at least somewhat inherently good without the aid of some bearded guy in the sky. I love the assumption of extremism from anyone with an opinion different from your own here.[/QUOTE] Ok, so not genocide. But explain to me how we are to do away with religion in this world? Targeting extremists is fine, since they ate few in number and actually are a detriment, but why rip huge populations away from their beliefs if they do nothing wrong? How will one even force such a change? Its not realistic to do that
[QUOTE=Robman8908;51307446]Wow... Are you guys really being this ignorant and naive? Anybody can see that a sharp rise in people can cause a sharp rise in crime, especially sex crimes when the main religion of the majority being brought in is so lax on the treatment of women... Furreh made a good point, and he's met with unnecessary hostility...[/QUOTE] n-no immigration perfect people are sweet babies why dont people even think that more people could mean more crime
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51308363]Id love to hear your action plan about that[/QUOTE] Better education would be a start but the question is how that would come about
[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;51308267]When did I ever say anything about genocide? Eradication =/= killing. I simply suggested we start to make a world-wide effort to get people away from religion since it's a major contributor to some of the things wrong in the world (i.e. jihad, the treating of women like dirt, the fanatical opposition of LGBT rights, women's rights to do what they want to their bodies, etc.) Religion is and always has been a way of controlling people under the guise of doing good and humans are at least somewhat inherently good without the aid of some bearded guy in the sky. I love the assumption of extremism from anyone with an opinion different from your own here.[/QUOTE] Every major effort by an administration to force secularism upon their people has been unsuccessful and catastrophic. It just doesnt work. Let it happen organically (like you know, it already is).
[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;51308928]n-no immigration perfect people are sweet babies why dont people even think that more people could mean more crime[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone argues that taking in more people, especially people who are far from home and have had their lives uprooted means no more crime. What is argued is that it isn't a justification for refusing to take whole populations based on indivuals actions.
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51307219]It really pains me to see how my country is being ravaged in multiple ways by these criminals, worse and worse each year...[/QUOTE] Let's say that you're right and that 1 in every 10 refugee has committed at least 1 serious sexual offense. What would you have the government do?
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51309553]Let's say that you're right and that 1 in every 10 refugee has committed at least 1 serious sexual offense. What would you have the government do?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=!LORD M!;51307535]How about, don't take in more then your social system can handle, deport all who commit crimes while saying they need asylum, secure the borders, make background checks, establish a gender quota for asylum seekers (more then 80% are men), deport those lying about their age to get better asylum privileges, help them educate themselves in Swedish so they have a chance to integrate into the society. I think those are good starters.[/QUOTE] I guess?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51309636]I guess?[/QUOTE] Sounds reasonable but I don't know what his definition of "don't take more than your social system can handle" is.
[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;51308267]I simply suggested we start to make a world-wide effort to get people away from religion since it's a major contributor to some of the things wrong in the world (i.e. jihad, the treating of women like dirt, the fanatical opposition of LGBT rights, women's rights to do what they want to their bodies, etc.)[/QUOTE] you're forgetting the good that religion has done for the world as well we'd probably still be tilling in the fields if christianity fizzled out before the Roman Empire collapsed
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;51309447]I don't think anyone argues that taking in more people, especially people who are far from home and have had their lives uprooted means no more crime. What is argued is that it isn't a justification for refusing to take whole populations based on indivuals actions.[/QUOTE] i don't think anyone said they did either but tha n k
[QUOTE=CroGamer002;51307861][IMG]http://www.internal-displacement.org/assets/Uploads/_resampled/ResizedImage600420-201411-infographic-eu-bosnia-idp-figures-events-en.png[/IMG] [URL="http://www.refworld.org/docid/3d04c1470.html"]In June 2002[/URL], 388,000 of Bosnian refugees returned to their homes from foreign countries. Which is 90% of overall Bosnian refugees that fled Bosnia during the war. [URL="http://www.unhcr.org/news/briefing/2004/9/414ffeb44/returns-bosnia-herzegovina-reach-1-million.html"]By September 2004[/URL], number of of Bosnian refugees thatt returned to their homes from foreign country had reached 440,000. Bosnia had suffered economic and political stagnation since the Dayton Accord in 1995, and yet overwhelming majority of people still choose to return to their home over staying in countries like Germany and Sweden. And Bosnians had a lot more easier time to integrate then do Syrians, Iraqis, Afghanis and others, due to Bosnia being a melting pot of Western, Eastern and Middle Eastern cultures.[/QUOTE] You're forgetting that back then, the refugees were merely seen as temporary guests and many were forced to return after the peace agreement was signed. That will not happen this time. All the refugees that are coming now are here to stay.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;51310080]You're forgetting that back then, the refugees were merely seen as temporary guests and many were forced to return after the peace agreement was signed.[/QUOTE] It was often remarked, after the border crisis had begun in earnest, that more than half of asylum seekers in Germany were still from the Yugoslav Wars...
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51309702]Sounds reasonable but I don't know what his definition of "don't take more than your social system can handle" is.[/QUOTE] I guess when the benefits for citizens goes down in order to pay for refugees. Right now, if I remember correctly, money that's supposed to go to foreign aid, instead gets diverted to pay for refugees. Other things really do suffer because of this.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;51310080]You're forgetting that back then, the refugees were merely seen as temporary guests and many were forced to return after the peace agreement was signed. That will not happen this time. All the refugees that are coming now are here to stay.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but what you just said a complete and utter nonsense.
[QUOTE=CroGamer002;51307669]But you people seem to forget that the overwhelming majority of refugees return to their home country in the span of a decade after a war ends in their home country.[/QUOTE] This will not happen with Syria. I bet you was one of the posters on here that posted bollocks like how the refugees would be doctors and lawyers too eh? [editline]5th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=RB33;51310241]if I remember correctly, money that's supposed to go to foreign aid, instead gets diverted to pay for refugees. Other things really do suffer because of this.[/QUOTE] I'd like to share a story relating to this in my area, a friend of mine is working with a charity that helps the migrant families that have come from Syria to the UK. Just recently he helped settle in a family into a brand new home for free in my region of the UK, so you'd expect them to be thankful and all right? Wrong, according to him all they've done and is complain and whine saying they'd rather be in London with their own kind. I just can't understand how you've escaped from a war torn country, been given free accommodation in the UK and you're still bitching about not getting everything you want. It's absolutely disgraceful.
[QUOTE=Achilles11;51310426]I'd like to share a story relating to this in my area, a friend of mine is working with a charity that helps the migrant families that have come from Syria to the UK. Just recently he helped settle in a family into a brand new home for free in my region of the UK, so you'd expect them to be thankful and all right? Wrong, according to him all they've done and is complain and whine saying they'd rather be in London with their own kind. I just can't understand how you've escaped from a war torn country, been given free accommodation in the UK and you're still bitching about not getting everything you want. It's absolutely disgraceful.[/QUOTE] That has happened here as well but they get used to it. Might even start to like it after a while, they come here with the highest expectations. But they won't get everything they want, just what they need.
[QUOTE=Achilles11;51310426]I just can't understand how you've escaped from a war torn country, been given free accommodation in the UK and you're still bitching about not getting everything you want. It's absolutely disgraceful.[/QUOTE] Even worse these refugees get a place pretty much right away, meanwhile there are many homeless people in the UK struggling to get a shitty old apartment, apparently these uneducated refugees from a third world country are of more value than our own citizens, but then this isn't anything new the government have been doing this for years for reasons I can't even begin to guess.
[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;51308267] I love the assumption of extremism from anyone with an opinion different from your own here.[/QUOTE] You're the worst kind of extremist out there. You 100% absolutely gives no fucks about what the other side has to say or why the other side acts the way they do. You don't care that people maybe are religious because they just have a different opinion than you, you just care that religious is instantly a bad thing because these bad things happened by religious people. I know you don't care about what religious people think either because you think this all is a good idea to even begin with. If you cared about what other people thought you'd never want to attack entire ways of life like this either. You can be an Atheist and still be a huge asshole. Infact [t]https://causticsodapodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/stalin.jpg[/t] See this guy? Atheist also, he's one of the biggest assholes ever born in history Religion isn't the reason people suck. People suck because people suck. Your right that it can be used for evil, but you'd have to be unbelievably stupid to think 'eradicating it' will make sexism and homophobia magically vanish, or even slightly go away. Religious people will naturally adapt and accept new ideals no matter what, but people who won't are going to hate gays regardless of what religion they follow because they're hateful people by nature, just like you.
[QUOTE=Chryseus;51310658]Even worse these refugees get a place pretty much right away, meanwhile there are many homeless people in the UK struggling to get a shitty old apartment, apparently these uneducated refugees from a third world country are of more value than our own citizens, but then this isn't anything new the government have been doing this for years for reasons I can't even begin to guess.[/QUOTE] They're fleeing from a war in their country which has displaced them from their homes and destroyed their country - It's not that they're valued over native citizens, it's that the circumstances surrounding their situation is extraordinary and most are expected to return to Syria following the war, a war which by the way has not yet even started to conclude itself. Legit refugees from Syria will, by-and-far, return to Syria. Anyone who denies that is making claims against statistical precedent, and we don't really know what's gonna happen yet because the conflict is still going. Is it a travesty that the homeless aren't getting any help? Sure, but I doubt anyone would just let it slide if we started putting the homeless in camps and housing units. There's implications regarding the smallest things.
[QUOTE=phaedon;51307578]And why exactly are men's lives intrinsically less important? When the alternative is the possibility to be forcibly conscripted, depending on where you are, by Assad, ISIS or the rebels, with the result being that you can't support your family and you will probably be implicated in war crimes, why is running away so bad? [/QUOTE] I'm sorry if I am bumping this, but I had an overnight shift, so I never got to reply to you. Anyways, no where did I say that men are less then women or children. No where in my comment did I make that statement, so for you to go on a little rant about what happens to males, while informative, had nothing to do with what I was saying. Men have just as much a right to run from war if they want. I personally believe in staying and fighting, even when it doesn't seem like their much hope. I wish there was a way to help these men that do want to fight for the right reasons, so that they don't have to worry about the shit you mentioned. I have said it before though, and I stand by what I say, women and children should be the main concern for us as far as refugees. I'm not gonna say "hey lets destroy families by separating them" but the males should be given the chance to do something for their country. If there was a way for us to help them find something that would benefit both them and their country that'd be great. I'm not against these people, I would never want to see a father separated from his kids. Hell, going through a miscarriage right now and I feel like a part of me is floating somewhere deep in space and I will never find it, so I would hate to feel how those fathers feel.
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;51311138]They're fleeing from a war in their country which has displaced them from their homes and destroyed their country - It's not that they're valued over native citizens, it's that the circumstances surrounding their situation is extraordinary and most are expected to return to Syria following the war, a war which by the way has not yet even started to conclude itself. Legit refugees from Syria will, by-and-far, return to Syria. Anyone who denies that is making claims against statistical precedent, and we don't really know what's gonna happen yet because the conflict is still going. Is it a travesty that the homeless aren't getting any help? Sure, but I doubt anyone would just let it slide if we started putting the homeless in camps and housing units. There's implications regarding the smallest things.[/QUOTE] But people still cannot understand why this causes unrest. I can relate to their plight and I don't know the answer but whenever there is a surge in mass migration, the indigenous population (not because they are stupid or bigoted) become unhappy. It doesn't directly effect me as I am reasonably comfortable and live in a decent enough area but many working class people are concerned. They see families housed in new houses who have never contributed a penny to the system whilst their own children who possibly have their own children struggle to get housing, they see lot's of culturally different people who won't ever integrate into western culture because it goes against their beliefs. They see lots of children at their schools who cannot speak the language, they worry how this will effect their own children's education, they see a rise in crime, they see a change in the community, their children might be struggling to find employment whilst they see migrants with jobs, they see large areas that they grew up in change into areas that are only inhabited by migrants, they see more conflict that's not going to end anytime soon so think more will come, they see a big shift in the dynamic of their lives, they are told that austerity measures are necessary by Politicians that live in areas that are not directly affected, they see terrorism perpetrated by migrants on the rise. What they can't see is how or when it will end or how their lives or the lives of their children are going to improve because of it. Most people are reasonably decent by nature and would not want to see others struggle but at the same time they have genuine concerns about their own future and that of their children. For these and probably quite a few other reasons they will find it hard to accept. Now couple this with the fact that most of the refugees because of their culture simply won't integrate into a western culture and you basically have a situation that is not conducive to harmony.
[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;51312026]I'm sorry if I am bumping this, but I had an overnight shift, so I never got to reply to you. Anyways, no where did I say that men are less then women or children. No where in my comment did I make that statement, so for you to go on a little rant about what happens to males, while informative, had nothing to do with what I was saying.[/quote] Rant? I apologize if I came off as confrontational, that wasn't my intent. You described refugees as women, children, lowlifes and cowards, thus why I assumed you didn't include male asylum seekers as legitimate refugees. [quote]Men have just as much a right to run from war if they want. I personally believe in staying and fighting, even when it doesn't seem like their much hope. I wish there was a way to help these men that do want to fight for the right reasons, so that they don't have to worry about the shit you mentioned.[/quote] I also believe in staying and fighting, unless my family isn't self-reliant enough for me to stay back. The issue here is that there isn't really a half-decent faction to get behind, and even if it is, they don't necessarily control your region. If someone like the nazis tried to occupy our countries, there's no doubt that many of us would have no ethical issues with joining some kind of resistance. But if we found out that all of the partisan factions are basically also involved in war crimes, we would probably have second thoughts. [quote]I have said it before though, and I stand by what I say, women and children should be the main concern for us as far as refugees. I'm not gonna say "hey lets destroy families by separating them" but the males should be given the chance to do something for their country. If there was a way for us to help them find something that would benefit both them and their country that'd be great. I'm not against these people, I would never want to see a father separated from his kids. Hell, going through a miscarriage right now and I feel like a part of me is floating somewhere deep in space and I will never find it, so I would hate to feel how those fathers feel.[/QUOTE] How would we give this chance to someone who is already in Europe? We already support some of the rebels in Syria, even though they also have some unsavory characters among them.
It's not every refugee who are rapist and sexual assaulters. Stop accusing "The refugee" in general, this is a very vague word to describe it and it's implying that it's all of them.
[QUOTE=Jackald;51312568]A butt pinch and a brutal gang rape should probably not be defined with the same level of severity.[/QUOTE] They are not though. Sex crime or in this case, literally 'sexual crime' is only the name of the type of crime. Similar to 'economic' or 'violent' crime. Nothing about it determines severity, just the type.
[QUOTE=phaedon;51312630]Rant? I apologize if I came off as confrontational, that wasn't my intent. You described refugees as women, children, lowlifes and cowards, thus why I assumed you didn't include male asylum seekers as legitimate refugees. I also believe in staying and fighting, unless my family isn't self-reliant enough for me to stay back. The issue here is that there isn't really a half-decent faction to get behind, and even if it is, they don't necessarily control your region. If someone like the nazis tried to occupy our countries, there's no doubt that many of us would have no ethical issues with joining some kind of resistance. But if we found out that all of the partisan factions are basically also involved in war crimes, we would probably have second thoughts. How would we give this chance to someone who is already in Europe? We already support some of the rebels in Syria, even though they also have some unsavory characters among them.[/QUOTE] Ah, I get ya. I shouldn't have jumped on you either, my apologies. I agree, I can see why they don't want to stay and fight. And nah, I understand the need to be with the family, especially if the family isn't so well off, more so than just being a refugee. I'd never take that from them, unless those men were actually really horrible people. As for your last question, honestly, I don't think there is a way. I don't believe this war will be over for a long time coming. I know I sound like I'm being all "world gonna end urgh emo", but I don't think the world is gonna "end", just shit gonna hit the fan for awhile, we'll overcome it, and come out, hopefully better for it. (sorry I just ranted a little, haha.)
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