• Cologne Police Chief Condemns Sex Assaults on New Year's Eve
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[QUOTE=Antlerp;49460810]Harder and harder? Well, focus on being honest rather than PC. Some situations where you're honest might also be PC too, but don't aim to be PC first.[/QUOTE] I worded that badly; I meant the people who are constantly trying to see everything in a different light to support their own views, its getting harder for them to spin stuff like this. But yes you're right.
[QUOTE=Jordax;49460836]I find it rather telling how the most overly PC news outlets haven't let out a single word about this yet. Seriously, normally they go all listen and believe mode whenever some overly PC person claims about the West having a ''rape culture problem'' (just look at those alleged rape cases on US University Campuses, mattress girl, anyone?), but when shit like this happens, it's all complete silence from them, the dirty hypocrites.[/QUOTE] Fwiw I find all societies influenced by an abrahamic religion to be basically anti-woman. We are talking the same values, after all. Most feminists and leftists are the same way. But if you find a bunch of young men from the middle east to be a recipe for sexual assault, not sure why you don't see the same in a bunch of young men drinking on a coed campus. Besides that, we are only a few decades from the times most people stop disputing we have messed up ideas of sex and women. Also from local.de [QUOTE] In its details, the case is reminiscent of the mass sexual assaults which took place in north Africa during the huge Arab Spring protests of 2011-2013, Schunke points out, writing of her concern that so many people are moving to Germany from “patriarchal, Muslim societies.[/quote]
When its 1000 people doing this at 1 place. Can people really who continue to spout "There are no problems, this isnt going to cause serious issues, its minority!" continue to do so? In the span of like 3 months we had a bombing, 100 hostages taken and a lot killed execution style, and a shooting spree in California. All done by radical muslims. It blows my mind that people dont realize it doesnt matter if a minority are radicalized Muslims coming over, they easily sway the Muslims here, and the ONES THEY ARE TRAVELING WITH TO A NEW UNKNOWN COUNTRY WITH WHO KNOW NOTHING. Why do people think refugees are going to be open arms and hang out with EU citizens instead of people of their own they are familiar with? I feel so bad for all you EU guys, this is seriously a fucked up situation and it really sucks you generally get labeled racist/bigot/hateful for being outspoken.
Have fun with them, Western Europe. You brought this on yourselves. Eastern Europe wanted to stop the wave, but nope, we are bad guys for doing it.
[QUOTE=Scot;49460793]It's getting harder and harder to be PC when it comes to stuff like this.[/QUOTE] I'll criticize them just as much as I do anyone else. I don't get why people need to protect and defend these types of people when they clearly hate our country and society so the point they want to change it into what they consider the norm. All these facts but yet people wish to ignore them and people are afraid to speak out against it due to being labeled racist. They want to act like animals, send them back to their country.
[QUOTE=Lurr;49460727]I can only hope the people of Europe come to their senses.[/QUOTE] A very large portion of Europe have or already had there senses. However there is still a huge support for these migrants and the politicians are renowned for not listing to their populace.
[QUOTE=Fantastical;49460988]Have fun with them, Western Europe. You brought this on yourselves. Eastern Europe wanted to stop the wave, but nope, we are bad guys for doing it.[/QUOTE] Again, there's nothing clear yet and some sources even say they are here for 2 years now. Nothing to do with the current refugee crisis if that's the case. Stopping the wave most likely wouldn't have prevented this. Okay okay, but now the best part. What do you do when something like this happens? That's right, you indirectly blame the victims Fast google translation of a part because I'm too lazy to do it manually now [QUOTE]Here they wanted to initially focus on preventive measures that should be implemented already for the upcoming festivities for Carnival. For this purpose, there should be about "codes of conduct" for young women and girls, "so that such things do not happen to them," says Reker with respect to the sexual assaults in New Year's Eve. There were already a code catalog, which would now be updated and will soon be available online. Among the rules is to maintain an arm's length distance to strangers, to stay within their own group and can not be separated from this to ask in an emergency concretely bystanders for help and intervene as a witness or to inform the police belong.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/panorama/koeln-frauen-sollen-zu-fremden-eine-armlaenge-distanz-halten-aid-1.5669639[/URL]
[QUOTE=Firewarrior;49461311]Again, there's nothing clear yet and some sources even say they are here for 2 years now. Nothing to do with the current refugee crisis if that's the case. Stopping the wave most likely wouldn't have prevented this.[/QUOTE] If anything it proves that they have failed to assimilate into German society.
[QUOTE=Firewarrior;49461311]Okay okay, but now the best part. What do you do when something like this happens? That's right, you indirectly blame the victims Fast google translation of a part because I'm too lazy to do it manually now [URL]http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/panorama/koeln-frauen-sollen-zu-fremden-eine-armlaenge-distanz-halten-aid-1.5669639[/URL][/QUOTE] Welcome to German society, if you're attacked by a refugee or immigrant you have nobody but yourself to blame.
[QUOTE=Tarver;49461387]If anything it proves that they have failed to assimilate into German society.[/QUOTE] That's correct and I really don't think the new wave of refugees will integrate/assimilate any better (at least many of them won't), it could even be worse since there are so many of them now. But to post things like he did is just unnecessary without any proper information
Europe desperately needs a law for free access to personal gun. Seems like the Police insitution can't provide safety. And I'm sure lots of girls would love to carry some direct justice tool in their handbag. Of course no left-winged government will ever allow for so much freedom for citizen.
[QUOTE=Knurr;49461722]Europe desperately needs a law for free access to personal gun. Seems like the Police insitution can't provide safety. And I'm sure lots of girls would love to carry some direct justice tool in their handbag. Of course no left-winged government will ever allow for so much freedom for citizen.[/QUOTE] is this a real post
[QUOTE=Scot;49461744]is this a real post[/QUOTE] And Your point is?
[QUOTE=Knurr;49461752]And Your point is?[/QUOTE] Come on bro,you gotta do better trolling than that lol
[QUOTE=Knurr;49461722]Europe desperately needs a law for free access to personal gun. Seems like the Police insitution can't provide safety. And I'm sure lots of girls would love to carry some direct justice tool in their handbag. Of course no left-winged government will ever allow for so much freedom for citizen.[/QUOTE] $10 bucks there will be at least a good bunch of "I thought he was gonna rape me, sorry lol" cases if that were to happen.
[QUOTE=kweh;49461908]$10 bucks there will be at least a good bunch of "I thought he was gonna rape me, sorry lol" cases if that were to happen.[/QUOTE] does that happen in any other country with lax gun laws because that sounds like it doesn't happen
[QUOTE=Scot;49460793]It's getting harder and harder to be PC when it comes to stuff like this.[/QUOTE] aren't the ones who push for PC tend to live in areas where they don't have to deal with the bullshit them self's
So have any decisions been taken yet? By the government of Germany? Official statement, claims on enhancing public security, or whatever? This information can't just pass away.
[QUOTE=Knurr;49464366]So have any decisions been taken yet? By the government of Germany? Official statement, claims on enhancing public security, or whatever? This information can't just pass away.[/QUOTE] It is pretty much the main news topic, lots of hate, blaming the police, blaming the state for letting in refugees, blaming the state for cutting police funds. This story won't go away for a couple month. Would suprise me if this didn't end in a major right wing/anti-refugee shift.
[QUOTE=Niklas;49464467]Would suprise me if this didn't end in a major right wing/anti-refugee shift.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's what happens when people are forced to face the reality that delusional leftist ideals don't work out in the real world.
[QUOTE=Tarver;49461758]Come on bro,you gotta do better trolling than that lol[/QUOTE] He's putting forth his argument and two people respond to it with troll posts; and aren't arguments whatsoever. Most of us know who the real trolls are here.
[QUOTE=Niklas;49464467]Would suprise me if this didn't end in a major right wing/anti-refugee shift.[/QUOTE] Oh please, there's already plenty of right wing lunacy and anti-refugee sentiment in the world over this crisis as is. All I hear day in, day out is "ughh the fucking muzzies comin here takin our money and jobs!!!!", despite it being a supermajority of actual troublemakers causing issues. The ludicrous amount of stereotyping and cute right-wing memes of "aww look at the trouble economic migrants :~~~)" and "our future doctors lmao fucking leftist scum" is frankly absurd. Let alone the ridiculous fearmongering. [editline]6th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=soulharvester;49464527]Yeah that's what happens when people are forced to face the reality that delusional leftist ideals don't work out in the real world.[/QUOTE] Exhibit A: a known right-wing poster calling basic human compassion and actually trying to help others "delusional" and claiming it incompatible with reality.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49464596] Exhibit A: a known right-wing poster calling basic human compassion and actually trying to help others "delusional" and claiming it incompatible with reality.[/QUOTE] What fucking planet do you come from where mass rape is filled under "basic human compassion"?
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49464596]Exhibit A: a known right-wing poster calling basic human compassion and actually trying to help others "delusional" and claiming it incompatible with reality.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't call treating immigrants as citizens a class above your own "basic human compassion", You can't tell me with a straight face that the left's tactics of "If only we treat them better / love them more they'll be perfect little angels" isn't delusional. Immigration on this scale is a huge issue and the Left brands anyone critical of any facet of their strategy of "Come in, come in, here's a bunch of money and some free houses for everyone, yes, you too! everyone welcome!" racist. I wouldn't call them delusional ideals if they weren't literally going out of their way to ignore the problems with what they're doing because they don't want to admit there's any problems with it. They refuse to allow critical discussion of it because that might put some doubt into the people who still listen to everything they say as if it literally can't be flawed. Europe has gone crazy in their attempts to be politically correct and if you can't see that then I don't know how to help explain it to you. But I wouldn't worry about it because the majority of people are completely apathetic to these kinds of policies until if affects them. It's that exact apathy that has allowed these kinds of politicians to hold sway and when they affect their citizens lives in this way they remove the apathy that allows them to remain in power. So yeah, expect the rise of right wing nationalism in Europe when this kind of shit goes down. I mean hell, look at France, it doesn't take very many people causing a ruckus to make people want the groups they came from gone. Edit: Also I'm a moderate, I despise both parties to be perfectly honest because they both play the system in ways I simply can't agree with, There's policies on both sides that I like, and policies on both sides that I dislike. I'm sorry if you think someone being critical of leftist policy automatically makes them a "Right-wing lunatic", but that fault is with you, not with me. If the right wing was actually in charge and doing retarded things, guess what, I'd be right there criticizing that too, but as long as it's the left in charge making awful decisions, you're going to have to listen to people criticize it, that's how it works.
[QUOTE=Latex;49464690]What fucking planet do you come from where mass rape is filled under "basic human compassion"?[/QUOTE] What post are you reading where I said mass rape is basic human compassion? I'm talking about actually helping people fleeing warzones and murderous dictators, not helping people rape people.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49464596]Oh please, there's already plenty of right wing lunacy and anti-refugee sentiment in the world over this crisis as is. All I hear day in, day out is "ughh the fucking muzzies comin here takin our money and jobs!!!!", despite it being a supermajority of actual troublemakers causing issues. The ludicrous amount of stereotyping and cute right-wing memes of "aww look at the trouble economic migrants :~~~)" and "our future doctors lmao fucking leftist scum" is frankly absurd. Let alone the ridiculous fearmongering. [editline]6th January 2016[/editline] Exhibit A: a known right-wing poster calling basic human compassion and actually trying to help others "delusional" and claiming it incompatible with reality.[/QUOTE] There is basic human compassion, and then there is irresponsibly opening the border and letting every one in and letting shit fly because "they don't know any better". You ARE delusional.
basic human compassion is compassion for your tribe and for alike. any more than that is culturally conditioned compassion.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;49464754]I wouldn't call treating immigrants as citizens a class above your own "basic human compassion", You can't tell me with a straight face that the left's tactics of "If only we treat them better / love them more they'll be perfect little angels" isn't delusional. Immigration on this scale is a huge issue and the Left brands anyone critical of any facet of their strategy of "Come in, come in, here's a bunch of money and some free houses for everyone, yes, you too! everyone welcome!" racist. I wouldn't call them delusional ideals if they weren't literally going out of their way to ignore the problems with what they're doing because they don't want to admit there's any problems with it. They refuse to allow critical discussion of it because that might put some doubt into the people who still listen to everything they say as if it literally can't be flawed. Europe has gone crazy in their attempts to be politically correct and if you can't see that then I don't know how to help explain it to you. But I wouldn't worry about it because the majority of people are completely apathetic to these kinds of things. It's that exact apathy that has allowed these kinds of politicians to hold sway and when they affect their citizens lives in this way they remove the apathy that allows them to remain in power. So yeah, expect the rise of right wing nationalism in Europe when this kind of shit goes down.vI mean hell, look at France, it doesn't take very many people causing a ruckus to make people want the groups they came from gone.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't really call being packed into either camps or somewhat maintained housing, being provided with some form of food and electricity and basic services as "being treated better than citizens" tbh, I'd call it being given basic shit to survive in a country where you have nothing at all to fall back on. It's not like these guys could pack up an entire house worth of shit when they hopped in the bus or dinghy that got them here. Should we be looking after our homeless too? Of course, and we do try to in a lot of countries. But this has been a weakness of every government I can think of forever, homeless people are seen as lesser by a lot of society because "ughh they put themselves there", getting public opinion on that to change is hard (well, until refugees appear that is, suddenly the homeless actually need help despite the sane of us saying that for the last...forever!) People are largely "shutting down" discussion because the discussion has been nothing but hotheaded morons shouting about closing the borders entirely and how nothing but terrorists and rapists are coming over, but so far every terror attack we've had since has been perpetrated by citizens of the country (radicalised, sure. but citizens) and I would hardly say we're seeing "nothing but rapists" coming over. I mean, shit, look at the absolutely ludicrous support shitlords like Trump have based on little but fearmongering over "the muzzies and wetbacks". When the idea of deporting and blocking entry of people based entirely on their faith is something actually being discussed, it's fair to say the discussion is fucking trash and needs to be rapidly put back on the rails or just walked away from, the opposition is clearly mad. This has very little to do with "PC gone mad" (seriously? this shit again? every other decade the "PC POLICE!!!" come up), and more to do with trying to help those in need. If you're getting called out as a racist, have you considered that perhaps, maybe, you're actually stereotyping the refugees so hard and negatively that you are in fact perpetuating racist ideals? Are there going to be integration problems? Of course, but we can deal with them as we have done when accepting refugees from other places in the past. Is there a concern we can't afford it? Maybe if you're in one of the poorer border states sure, but the refugees seem to know these countries can't afford to actually look after any reasonable number and to migrate inward to the more stable economies so shit isn't just pulled out from under their feet. Yes, the sheer number of people coming over makes these processes a bit harder than normal, the state of affairs in the ME right now isn't exactly going to ease up though for a while so we can work on that. (it'd also be nice if stable ME states would take some fucking refugees too, look at you Saudi Arabia you shits) [editline]6th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49464853]basic human compassion is compassion for your tribe and for alike. any more than that is culturally conditioned compassion.[/QUOTE] uh huh, nice, but do you actually have any kind of reason to believe that other than xenophobia? cultures are different, but we are all humans, and we all experience the same bullshit as each other when shit goes south. it's not hard to emphasise with people from another country at all.
[QUOTE=Firewarrior;49461420]That's correct and I really don't think the new wave of refugees will integrate/assimilate any better (at least many of them won't), it could even be worse since there are so many of them now. [/QUOTE] I don't even know how you can say that with a straight face. Assimilation is a years, perhaps even decades long process. Claiming they won't integrate any better based off information now is just plain stupid. They're people, it's not like they all have an inherent inability to take on a new culture. Give it time. And while the process goes on provide cultural education and enforce the law. Barring the spectacular rise of Fascism, no-one will bat an eyelid at them in 10, 20, 30 years time since they'll just be normal citizens. [editline]6th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49464853]basic human compassion is compassion for your tribe and for alike. any more than that is culturally conditioned compassion.[/QUOTE] complete nonsense
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49464869]uh huh, nice, but do you actually have any kind of reason to believe that other than xenophobia? cultures are different, but we are all humans, and we all experience the same bullshit as each other when shit goes south. it's not hard to emphasise with people from another country at all.[/QUOTE] i personally believe in the tribe of humanity. we're all citizens of earth and we're all in this together. however, it seems fairly obvious to me that this idea is not one held by the majority of people on this planet. in fact, i would go as far to say that it is an extremely recent idea that has only really come about because of mass communication, which has shown that we are a lot more similar than we used to think for the past, say, 30,000 years of human history and more. i know that the reason i think this is because i was raised in a culture which has both given me access to this mass communication and at least paid lip service to the idea we are all one and the same. if we were biologically tuned to the idea that we are all one and the same, the concepts of war and conflict would never have existed. killing other people for the benefit of your own has been a far more basic facet of humanity than having love for all people has and probably will ever be.
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