Ohio will allow guns in facilities that serve Alcohol
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I know a guy who gets wasted and shoots guns at stuff, it isn't in a bar setting, but I don't think the argument that guns + alcohol = murderers is a very strong one.
That aside, if it's illegal to operate a firearm while intoxicated but not illegal to have them in bars, it's obvious this was intended to be for those people who aren't drinking in bars. There's lots of them, they're called designated drivers.
[QUOTE=s0beit;30554041]I know a guy who gets wasted and shoots guns at stuff, it isn't in a bar setting, but I don't think the argument that guns + alcohol = murderers is a very strong one.[/QUOTE]
I know like 10 people who frequently drive drunk and have never had an accident, but I'll still make the argument that cars + alcohol = accidents
"And in other news: Illinois still has asshat gun laws"
Of course the typical run of morons who do not read the article or even read the law before making a comment.
1. It's not just getting drunk that you can not carry. If you even consume a drop of alcohol you will be in violation.
2. You people are so worried about people carrying guns in bars when plenty of people already do. Illegally - and they are NOT the kind you want carrying one, either.
3. This bill was pushed forward not because of bars, but rather restaurants that serve alcohol - which are off limits for carry. The media likes to state "Bars" primarily because the media loves scare tactics.
4. The businesses still have the right to post signage stating no carrying weapons inside of their business (Although this stops no one but legally carrying people.)
5. Numerous states already have restaurant carry and have had it for a long time. These 'wild west' scenarios you gun control idiots like to use in an effort to push scare tactics have not happened.
If you are a law abiding citizen you should not be restricted on where you may carry instruments to defend yourself and your family.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30551796]It applies to Switzerland but the amount of gun control there is crazy. Tons of people have guns but they all know how to use it, store it, and maintain it properly.
In America any jackass with no clue about guns can go buy one, which is dangerous[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with higher crime rates in general and various socio-economic factors though. Nope.
[editline]19th June 2011[/editline]
Still lmao this is a bad idea
[editline]19th June 2011[/editline]
Drunk dude A gets into an argument/altercation with Drunk dude B, drunk dude B punches A over, A decides in a fit of drunken stupidity to get drawn down on B and shoot him.
The only difference between ^ this scene and what you see at any typical bar/club altercation is the only weapon a drunk dude normally has in reach is a bottle or an ashtray.
[editline]19th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=HkSniper;30554574]Of course the typical run of morons who do not read the article or even read the law before making a comment.
1. It's not just getting drunk that you can not carry. If you even consume a drop of alcohol you will be in violation.
2. You people are so worried about people carrying guns in bars when plenty of people already do. Illegally - and they are NOT the kind you want carrying one, either.
3. This bill was pushed forward not because of bars, but rather restaurants that serve alcohol - which are off limits for carry. The media likes to state "Bars" primarily because the media loves scare tactics.
4. The businesses still have the right to post signage stating no carrying weapons inside of their business (Although this stops no one but legally carrying people.)
5. Numerous states already have restaurant carry and have had it for a long time. These 'wild west' scenarios you gun control idiots like to use in an effort to push scare tactics have not happened.
If you are a law abiding citizen you should not be restricted on where you may carry instruments to defend yourself and your family.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;30553749]I live in kentucky. If I want to poke fun at my own state, who cares?[/QUOTE]
i live in arizona, i'm not going to make fun of the many undereducated mexicans just because i live here
living in the target state of your stupidity doesnt make your attacks any less moronic
[editline]19th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;30553265]This doesn't just apply to bars, this applies to any restaurant or establishment that serves alcohol (IE: a fuckton).
Applebees serves alcohol. Most people don't go to Applebees to get shitfaced.[/QUOTE]
i suppose, but i think its a good idea to still prevent people from mixing guns and alcohol
Sounds like an RL idiot cull to me.
[QUOTE=HkSniper;30554574]
If you are a law abiding citizen you should not be restricted on where you may carry instruments to defend yourself and your family.[/QUOTE]
Then how come even in America I can't enter a bar with my war axe
that's how I choose to defend myself :colbert:
oh right gun lobbyists heh
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;30554309]"And in other news: Illinois still has asshat gun laws"[/QUOTE]
I live in Illinois, and I approve this message.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];30551736']Guns are great, and in places with more guns the murdur rate tends to go down. If you mic them with alcohol though, you have a horrible situation.[/QUOTE]
murdur
oh this should end well...
[editline]19th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;30554309]"And in other news: Illinois still has asshat gun laws"[/QUOTE]
I doubt you could top New York in that category
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;30554638]It has nothing to do with higher crime rates in general and various socio-economic factors though. Nope.
[editline]19th June 2011[/editline]
Still lmao this is a bad idea
[editline]19th June 2011[/editline]
Drunk dude A gets into an argument/altercation with Drunk dude B, drunk dude B punches A over, A decides in a fit of drunken stupidity to get drawn down on B and shoot him.
The only difference between ^ this scene and what you see at any typical bar/club altercation is the only weapon a drunk dude normally has in reach is a bottle or an ashtray.
[editline]19th June 2011[/editline]
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Drunk A pulls out his gun irregardless of the gun ban and shoots Drunk B anyway.
Drunk A pulls out his gun and is stopped by having a gun pulled on him by Undrunk A, or, worst case scenario, gets shot by Undrunk A.
I personally leave my concealed carry weapon at home when I intend on going to airports, bars, or pawnshops, but unless it's an obvious carry, a little sign on the wall isn't going to stop anybody but a law abiding citizen. :v:
It's legal in Arizona, and we've been doing fine.
The issue is quite simple, opinions and emotions have no place in law. Nor do "what ifs" or any other non-sense. Ever heard of civil rights? Racists opinions don't matter, the law demands equality.
If you have a permit, you have that right entrusted to you by the government. It can't be desiccated by the likes of peoples' phobias. People act as if laws like this have any impact on homicidal maniacs, it's pretty sad really. It only prevents good natured people from being able to protect YOU from this nut-case. You want to argue about it being the wild west? How are police any better when it's been proven time and time again they don't have a clue what they're doing with a gun most of the time?
Permitted CCW holders are a fact of life, and we're here to help YOU stay alive should something bad happen.
If the CCW holder is planning on drinking while carrying, that's fine, depending on some factors. Just like driving a car, it's legal to have a drink and drive, just not be drunk and drive. Same with carrying a gun, the individual should already be responsible enough to not be getting wasted while carrying a gun, and if he demonstrates such recklessness, he should have his permit taken away.
[QUOTE=HkSniper;30554574]Of course the typical run of morons who do not read the article or even read the law before making a comment.
1. It's not just getting drunk that you can not carry. If you even consume a drop of alcohol you will be in violation.
2. You people are so worried about people carrying guns in bars when plenty of people already do. Illegally - and they are NOT the kind you want carrying one, either.
3. This bill was pushed forward not because of bars, but rather restaurants that serve alcohol - which are off limits for carry. The media likes to state "Bars" primarily because the media loves scare tactics.
4. The businesses still have the right to post signage stating no carrying weapons inside of their business (Although this stops no one but legally carrying people.)
5. Numerous states already have restaurant carry and have had it for a long time. These 'wild west' scenarios you gun control idiots like to use in an effort to push scare tactics have not happened.
If you are a law abiding citizen you should not be restricted on where you may carry instruments to defend yourself and your family.[/QUOTE]
I agree they shouldn't, but I still think that it's not a good idea for guns and alcohol to mix.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];30556378']I agree they shouldn't, but I still think that it's not a good idea for guns and alcohol to mix.[/QUOTE]
How many times do you need to be told that they can not drink while armed? Are you able to read and understand the English language?
[QUOTE='[sluggo];30556378']I agree they shouldn't, but I still think that it's not a good idea for guns and alcohol to mix.[/QUOTE]
which is probably why that will still be illegal
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;30555823]It's legal in Arizona, and we've been doing fine.[/QUOTE]
i hate arizona so much
because now we can have a concealed gun with out license.
Why does everyone have to have guns, it's not the wild west anymore, guns are cool and all but let it go.
[QUOTE=lorden;30555576]Drunk A pulls out his gun irregardless of the gun ban and shoots Drunk B anyway.
Drunk A pulls out his gun and is stopped by having a gun pulled on him by Undrunk A, or, worst case scenario, gets shot by Undrunk A.
I personally leave my concealed carry weapon at home when I intend on going to airports, bars, or pawnshops, but unless it's an obvious carry, a little sign on the wall isn't going to stop anybody but a law abiding citizen. :v:[/QUOTE]
I'd hate to point this out to you, but your retard scenario accepts that people shoot people to death in bars for whatever reason but they follow the law to the letter in regards to actually carrying firearms.
I hope you realize how ridiculous that is.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30551796]It applies to Switzerland but the amount of gun control there is crazy. Tons of people have guns but they all know how to use it, store it, and maintain it properly.
In America any jackass with no clue about guns can go buy one, which is dangerous[/QUOTE]
I think it might be because everyone in Switzerland is fairly rich.
The problem with removing guns from american culture is that american culture is entirely composed of war, fastfood and guns. Their HISTORY is war, fastfood and guns :v: This sheds light to the gun positive views of america.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30555283]Then how come even in America I can't enter a bar with my war axe
that's how I choose to defend myself :colbert:
oh right gun lobbyists heh[/QUOTE]
At least in Pennsylvania, if your knife either has a common lawful purpose, or is not an offensive weapon, you can.
And no, a war axe is not a defensive weapon.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30555283]Then how come even in America I can't enter a bar with my war axe
that's how I choose to defend myself :colbert:
oh right gun lobbyists heh[/QUOTE]
A war axe is many times less effective than a handgun, and is not concealable in any capacity. :colbert:
If you carry one, you're trying to intimidate people. CCP holders have a CCP for that exact reason- it's [I]concealed.[/I]
So yeah, guns are just pulled out and then you kill someone.
Atleast a big fucking axe acts as an intimidator before you have to start killing.
Edit: The most intimidating weapon is a weapon you can't see. What will you rather have? Some guy with a small thing in his pocket which he can pull out and kill you instantly or a guy with a visible weapon who you can beware?
[QUOTE=Falchion;30562088]So yeah, guns are just pulled out and then you kill someone.
Atleast a big fucking axe acts as an intimidator before you have to start killing.
Edit: The most intimidating weapon is a weapon you can't see. What will you rather have? Some guy with a small thing in his pocket which he can pull out and kill you instantly or a guy with a visible weapon who you can beware?[/QUOTE]
I would rather have the element of surprise than having the bad guy know everything I have brought to the plate prior to him making his move.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30555283]Then how come even in America I can't enter a bar with my war axe
that's how I choose to defend myself :colbert:
oh right gun lobbyists heh[/QUOTE]
Ban closed carry, legalize medival weapons carry
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[QUOTE=Kopimi;30552075]ahuhuhuh making fun of southerners
[i]how current[/i]
southern stupidity is a product of their environment, just like any undereducated and poverty stricken community
making fun of stupid southerners is no better than making fun of uneducated minorities in a ghetto[/QUOTE]
You know there's just as many hicks in the north as there are in the south. Location has nothing to do with it, well it does but not in terms of what side of the country you're on. More so how far away are you from a major metropolitan area.
[QUOTE=Falchion;30562088]So yeah, guns are just pulled out and then you kill someone.
Atleast a big fucking axe acts as an intimidator before you have to start killing.
Edit: The most intimidating weapon is a weapon you can't see. What will you rather have? Some guy with a small thing in his pocket which he can pull out and kill you instantly or a guy with a visible weapon who you can beware?[/QUOTE]
Many people carry pieces on a side holster as a warning. I'm not kidding... I remember watching a young kid trying to start shit with a small pocket gun, and an old man whipped out his long barreled revolver, and kept it at his side, and all arguements pretty much faded out after that.
Sounds like a good idea...
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