Ohio will allow guns in facilities that serve Alcohol
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[QUOTE=Falchion;30559927]The problem with removing guns from american culture is that american culture is entirely composed of war, fastfood and guns. Their HISTORY is war, fastfood and guns :v: This sheds light to the gun positive views of america.[/QUOTE]
Why would we want to remove guns from the culture?
[QUOTE='[sluggo];30577437']Why would we want to remove guns from the culture?[/QUOTE]
'cause guns r evil! :arghfist::saddowns:
[QUOTE=.50 Cal;30561550]A war axe is many times less effective than a handgun, and is not concealable in any capacity. :colbert:
If you carry one, you're trying to intimidate people. CCP holders have a CCP for that exact reason- it's [I]concealed.[/I][/QUOTE]
fine I'll bring a hatchet then, I can conceal that pretty easily
Like all other "sensationalist" stories like these, nothing will change.
There's a local gunclub in my area that serves alcohol. At first, I was hesitant to go to the place, but it seemed to work fine. It was a lot more convenient than the older place I went to, which was in the next state over.
Speaking of guns, I'm going to go coyote hunting with an AR-15 this weekend. [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-faggot.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;30551644]"Cleetus! I betcha can't shoot that there beer can off of Jebediah's head!"
And then the death rates in Kentucky increase 30%[/QUOTE]
How does Ohio get confused with Kentucky?
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;30577906]There's a local gunclub in my area that serves alcohol. At first, I was hesitant to go to the place, but it seemed to work fine. It was a lot more convenient than the older place I went to, which was in the next state over.
Speaking of guns, I'm going to go coyote hunting with an AR-15 this weekend. [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-faggot.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Animal murderer! :argh:
[QUOTE=DrMortician;30556119]The issue is quite simple, opinions and emotions have no place in law. Nor do "what ifs" or any other non-sense. Ever heard of civil rights? Racists opinions don't matter, the law demands equality.
If you have a permit, you have that right entrusted to you by the government. It can't be desiccated by the likes of peoples' phobias. People act as if laws like this have any impact on homicidal maniacs, it's pretty sad really. It only prevents good natured people from being able to protect YOU from this nut-case. You want to argue about it being the wild west? How are police any better when it's been proven time and time again they don't have a clue what they're doing with a gun most of the time?
Permitted CCW holders are a fact of life, and we're here to help YOU stay alive should something bad happen.
[b]If the CCW holder is planning on drinking while carrying, that's fine, depending on some factors. Just like driving a car, it's legal to have a drink and drive, just not be drunk and drive. Same with carrying a gun, the individual should already be responsible enough to not be getting wasted while carrying a gun, and if he demonstrates such recklessness, he should have his permit taken away.[/b][/QUOTE]
As reasonable as this suggestion would seem, the scenario would have every single gun holder having an average intelligence to see the logic, which unfortunately, a lot of people don't have. You can say that people should have their permits taken from then if they are drunk with a gun, much like if you were stopped driving drunk. However there is a difference, being the gun can actually kill instantly, but you would have to move the car in the direction of the person trying to stop you. Some people are senselessly drunk and can remember a thing when they wake up the next morning, what do you think happens if a police officer tries to disarm a guy while he is drunk, and the officer fails to in the first attempt?
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;30577987]Animal murderer! :argh:[/QUOTE]
I bet Iraq was right and bush is a good president.
Edit: And obama is a muslim.
[QUOTE=Beafman;30583366]As reasonable as this suggestion would seem, the scenario would have every single gun holder having an average intelligence to see the logic, which unfortunately, a lot of people don't have. You can say that people should have their permits taken from then if they are drunk with a gun, much like if you were stopped driving drunk. However there is a difference, being the gun can actually kill instantly, but you would have to move the car in the direction of the person trying to stop you. Some people are senselessly drunk and can remember a thing when they wake up the next morning, what do you think happens if a police officer tries to disarm a guy while he is drunk, and the officer fails to in the first attempt?[/QUOTE]
A car can kill instantly, so what's your point?
We just had a fatal this weekend where a drunk driver skipped the median and struck a van head on. His car erupted in flames and he was ejected. The person he hit was killed instantly.
I, however, do agree. If you can have one or two beers and drive you should be able to have one or two beers and still be able to carry. One beer does not effect me at all, nor would it to the majority of the populace. If you are still able to make sound and rational decisions and are under the legal limit - honestly, you should be fine.
If we really want to compare statistics on what kills people more often - oh, we can. The amount of deaths involving a vehicle dominate the statistics involving guns.
So, I have no idea why your argument is. It makes no sense. Cars can kill just as quickly as a gun can.
I am also so sick of these "What if" scenarios. This is the sole reason why this crap is never common sense.
What if a bear walks in wearing a ballerina outfit and I am carrying at Applebees and I have a gun?!
[QUOTE=HkSniper;30584915]A car can kill instantly, so what's your point?
We just had a fatal this weekend where a drunk driver skipped the median and struck a van head on. His car erupted in flames and he was ejected. The person he hit was killed instantly.
I, however, do agree. If you can have one or two beers and drive you should be able to have one or two beers and still be able to carry. One beer does not effect me at all, nor would it to the majority of the populace. If you are still able to make sound and rational decisions and are under the legal limit - honestly, you should be fine.
If we really want to compare statistics on what kills people more often - oh, we can. The amount of deaths involving a vehicle dominate the statistics involving guns.
So, I have no idea why your argument is. It makes no sense. Cars can kill just as quickly as a gun can.
I am also so sick of these "What if" scenarios. This is the sole reason why this crap is never common sense.
What if a bear walks in wearing a ballerina outfit and I am carrying at Applebees and I have a gun?![/QUOTE]
I see your point, but I disagree with it in almost every respect. Carrying a gun into a public place and getting loaded with alcohol is never a good idea. Ever.
Sounds good in that they aren't forcing private entities to accept people with guns. It is my opinion that the bar or whatever entity should decide what they allow. This is a principal and is also why I'm against a ban on smoking in bars. I certainly think bars and restaurants should have the right to do not allow smoking, but I do not at all agree with forcing bars and restaurants to ban it regardless of what they would allow.
[QUOTE=Beafman;30583366]As reasonable as this suggestion would seem, the scenario would have every single gun holder having an average intelligence to see the logic, which unfortunately, a lot of people don't have. You can say that people should have their permits taken from then if they are drunk with a gun, much like if you were stopped driving drunk. However there is a difference, being the gun can actually kill instantly, but you would have to move the car in the direction of the person trying to stop you. Some people are senselessly drunk and can remember a thing when they wake up the next morning, what do you think happens if a police officer tries to disarm a guy while he is drunk, and the officer fails to in the first attempt?[/QUOTE]
I'm not getting your comparison. A gun you have to point in an unsafe direction and pull the trigger, a car you have to point in an unsafe direction and floor the accelerator.
Ban cars in the parking lots of alcohol-selling outlets! :v:
[editline]20th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=s0beit;30559541]I'd hate to point this out to you, but your retard scenario accepts that people shoot people to death in bars for whatever reason but they follow the law to the letter in regards to actually carrying firearms.
I hope you realize how ridiculous that is.[/QUOTE]
Which is why I'm saying that a law stating that you can't carry guns into bars won't do anything, except stop the people who actually follow the law to the letter.
I'm not really sure I understand why people feel the need to carry guns around with them in the first place.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30577867]fine I'll bring a hatchet then, I can conceal that pretty easily[/QUOTE]
Feel free, then. CCP's don't apply only to firearms. Knives and other weaponry are just as valid, though not necessarily as effective.
[QUOTE=Sh33p;30588718]I'm not really sure I understand why people feel the need to carry guns around with them in the first place.[/QUOTE]
I'm willing to bet you live in a relatively safe neighborhood.
Would you walk, alone, through Southwark in the middle of the night? or Peckham? Hackney?
I foresee many Darwin Awards in the future.
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