• Trump, Merkel agree NATO members must pay fair share
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[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51744264]But, why bring it up in the first place if you didn't want people discussing it?[/QUOTE] I actually was asked the question?
I know it's easy to just say that shit but if you were actually say a green card holder and you couldn't come back in, I'd bet you'd be at least a little pissed. It's so easy to say that shit when it doesn't directly effect you.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51744266]That's great and all but he hasn't actually really made an impact yet yall dudes are speaking way too soon, you're acting impressed despite not even seeing the impact it's actually had yet. You don't even know if the dude is going to be terrible or great and you're already acting as if he's done more than anyone else.[/QUOTE] Well actually, I would rather people do wait to make their judgement. I would just tell you on the Trump side, it's pretty optimistic and not at all the reaction yall are experiencing here.
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;51744267]Your spin on recent events is honestly pathetic People are just "stunned" at his speed? Really? Maybe everyone is aware stopping the understaffed VA from hiring staff, de-funding planned parenthood, ruining international relations with china and mexico, attempting to remove federal funding from sanctuary cities, and clearly targeting muslims with a ban on travel from muslim majority countries are horrible things to do. And then you throw shade at Obama, who was never this destructive. This narrative that Trump is "efficient" is a load of bull, he has yet to build as good of a legacy as Obama has as president. Trump would kill to be as popular and respected as Obama is. Even members of Trump's own party don't like him. Your recent takes on what's going on are pretty much delusional. Everything is not going great at all, it's going PRETTY bad.[/QUOTE] Not to mention, Trump is getting most of this done through executive orders of his own accord instead of actually getting feedback from other branches of the government. Like, yeah, no shit he is going fast if he is cutting out the middle man.
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;51744267]Your spin on recent events is honestly pathetic People are just "stunned" at his speed? Really? Maybe everyone is aware stopping the understaffed VA from hiring staff, de-funding planned parenthood, ruining international relations with china and mexico, attempting to remove federal funding from sanctuary cities, and clearly targeting muslims with a ban on travel from muslim majority countries are horrible things to do. And then you throw shade at Obama, who was never this destructive. This narrative that Trump is "efficient" is a load of bull, he has yet to build as good of a legacy as Obama has as president. Trump would kill to be as popular and respected as Obama is. Even members of Trump's own party don't like him. Your recent takes on what's going on are pretty much delusional. Everything is not going great at all, it's going PRETTY bad.[/QUOTE] It's essentially "look I stacked my tower of blocks even faster and taller than the other kid. I mean my structure is totally shit and collapse, but at least I'm building more!" You're sadly not gonna convince more of the top focused supporters because they think he can hardly do wrong. He could fucking shoot someone for no reason and you'd bet there'd be defenses.
I admire Trump's ambition and all that and his ability to step into action but he's the kind of guy who can very easily get ahead of himself, very very quickly Being that ready to act is very dangerous, and actually kind of explosive if you have the wrong mindset I'm not completely sure I would support Trump if he was a social libertarian
[QUOTE=Tudd;51744280]it's pretty optimistic and not at all the reaction yall are experiencing here.[/QUOTE] Good to know you're a bunch of xenophobes incapable of forward thinking.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51744280]Well actually, I would rather people do wait to make their judgement. I would just tell you on the Trump side, it's pretty optimistic and not at all the reaction yall are experiencing here.[/QUOTE] LOOKS WHAT'S NOW HAPPENING IN THE MUSLIM BAN FORUM!
[QUOTE=WhichStrider;51744272]I know it's easy to just say that shit but if you were actually say a green card holder and you couldn't come back in, I'd bet you'd be at least a little pissed. It's so easy to say that shit when it doesn't directly effect you.[/QUOTE] Considering that a green card is literally called a "United States Permanent Resident Card", I'd say that if Donald Trump is capable of blocking them based off immigration from certain 'undesirable' countries, we're not too far off from adding more restrictions. I also have no idea why Trump is literally just tossing more fuel onto the fire, but maybe he wants a war.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51744268]I actually was asked the question?[/QUOTE] My bad, I was too vague at first so I later updated my post to clarify: But, why bring it up in the first place [U]with comments like "So much in one week"[/U] if you didn't want people discussing it? [The underlined bit that I edited into my first post was what I was focusing on.]
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51744288]Not to mention, Trump is getting most of this done through executive orders of his own accord instead of actually getting feedback from other branches of the government. Like, yeah, no shit he is going fast if he is cutting out the middle man.[/QUOTE] Well Obama really fucked up doing executive orders too. Not enacting alot of the things he wanted for his administration by enacting laws is why were seeing how easily Trump is undoing his legacy. Now Obama/Hillary/the DNC have handed Trump on the plate a Supreme court, Congress, and Presidency to him.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51744256]Btw, I would like to mention this is getting mighty off topic and just becoming a Tudd pow-wow.[/QUOTE] People really miss you in all the news threads where trump does bad things. [QUOTE=Tudd;51744298]Well Obama really fucked up doing executive orders too. Not enacting alot of the things he wanted for his administration by enacting laws is why were seeing how easily Trump is undoing his legacy. Now Obama/Hillary/the DNC have handed Trump on the plate a Supreme court, Congress, and Presidency to him.[/QUOTE] He had to get around how dysfunctional congress was somehow.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51744142]Quite happy overall. People are extremely stunned by the speed he is going at, but this is what we wanted from Trump and just shows how ineffectual Obama's administration really was.[/QUOTE] ya because taking a sledgehammer to diplomacy always works out... remember how fucking dispised the US was at the end of bush's terms? obama had to spend a solid year just going around patching things up with everybody before he could even start working on productive things, trumps already lit it all on fire in a week
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51744296]My bad, I was too vague at first so I later updated my post to clarify:[/QUOTE] Well I just didn't expect it to turn into a AMA thread even with that comment. I can kind of understand it though, cause who else you are going to directly ask on here as a Trump supporter? Figured someone might be interested to talk about NATO, Trump, and Merkel.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51744256] Btw, I would like to mention this is getting mighty off topic and just becoming a Tudd pow-wow.[/QUOTE] You're a celebrity here these days it seems, in SH you've become one with SH
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51744180]Hi Tudd are you okay with Trump lying to the American people and telling the people that work for him to lie?[/QUOTE] It's crap and I don't like it. I also recognize that it's our political norm. Obama blatantly lied to get Obamacare, the biggest social program in a while, passed (about keeping your doctor) and I don't remember it being made a big deal.
Tudd Explain this crap! [QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51744209][media]https://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/825571747550396416[/media][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51744299]People really miss you in all the news threads where trump does bad things. [/QUOTE] I commented in the ban thread with similar sentiments.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51744298]Well Obama really fucked up doing executive orders too. Not enacting alot of the things he wanted for his administration by enacting laws is why were seeing how easily Trump is undoing his legacy. [/QUOTE] You mean the struggle to Obama had for eight years because the majority of republican politicians were whiny and threw a fit in response to most of the shit he did, and yet people still blamed Obama? Also you can't just always compare to other people for excuses. I don't care what x and y do, Trump is here now and he's held accountable for his actions.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51744256]Well yeah, I am pretty fine there is going to be hassle for people who come out of areas with some of the worse crimes/terrorist acts happening in the world.[/QUOTE] You mean countries like australia Even ignoring that, people with dual citizenship are also banned, they've already been screened and cleared
[QUOTE=Judas;51744243]i'm starting to think you're actually a paid propagandist, no one can have this much tunnel vision on a forum filled with people disproving you at every turn[/QUOTE] Everyone I've talked to like him is so thoroughly entrenched in their own delusion that you could have the entire planet's populace shouting at them and they'd be oblivious. [editline]edit[/editline] To Tudd's credit though he does stay calm.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51744307]It's crap and I don't like it. I also recognize that it's our political norm. Obama blatantly lied to get Obamacare passed (about keeping your doctor) and I don't remember him almost ever getting called out on it.[/QUOTE] Basically this. I don't like it, but to get upset over the crowd size dispute seems like the pettiest of examples.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51744307]It's crap and I don't like it. I also recognize that it's our political norm. Obama blatantly lied to get Obamacare, the biggest social program in a while, passed (about keeping your doctor) and I don't remember it being made a big deal.[/QUOTE] See this is better than saying Clinton would have done the same thing Tudd. [QUOTE=Tudd;51744316]Basically this. I don't like it, but to get upset over the crowd size dispute seems like the pettiest of examples.[/QUOTE] It wasn't a big deal until Trump made it into a big deal.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51744316]Basically this. I don't like it, but to get upset over the crowd size dispute seems like the pettiest of examples.[/QUOTE] People were upset that THEY made it a big deal and lied to the country in the first day man.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51744318]See this is better than saying Clinton would have done the same thing Tudd.[/QUOTE] Well I was about to use that example actually.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51744194]Are we still talking about the crowd thing? I already said both sides are stupid on that issue. But honestly Sean Spicer wasn't really that wrong if by audience he mean't total. It was estimated to be the most viewed inauguration if we take into social media/streaming into account. Otherwise having watched Sean Spicer since, I think he is a great press secretary and has been incredibly fair ever since.[/QUOTE] You seem to have a lot of trouble just outright saying "I'm would not be ok with Trump lying, no"
[QUOTE=Fort83;51744279]Do you think it's a good idea for them to repeal the ACA when they don't have a replacement plan ready?[/QUOTE] I'm sure when they actually repeal it they will have a replacement. Just be asinine not too and immediately would kill his momentum.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51744256]Well yeah, I am pretty fine there is going to be hassle for people who come out of areas with some of the worse crimes/terrorist acts happening in the world. I think Trump will follow up with what he said this being temporary until they implement something new in its place. Btw, I would like to mention this is getting mighty off topic and just becoming a Tudd pow-wow.[/QUOTE] Discussing the immigration ban is off topic? Our NATO allies are also part of the UN. Denying freedom of movement goes directly against the UDHR. How does this executive order look to our allies? How do you expect our allies to pay their share if we continue breaking the rules?
[QUOTE=Tudd;51744354]I'm sure when they actually repeal it they will have a replacement. Just be asinine not too and immediately would kill his momentum.[/QUOTE] Hey don't skip me now, you still haven't said "I would not be ok with Trump lying to the American people" I want you to say it I want you to say it and [I]mean it,[/I] you slut [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting + Flaming" - Bradyns))[/highlight]
Tudd To respond to your question to me: [Media]https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/825552403030241281[/Media] And this is what's going on: [media]https://twitter.com/WangCecillia/status/825554314026373121[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/825571747550396416[/media]
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