• Plot Twist: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brow
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[QUOTE=Subby;45745238]Why aren't there more black cops in ferguson? It would definitely help purge the racism out. Also why are black people looting their own town? I don't understand how people are defending the protesters, there not protesting for anything in particular except "oh a black kid got shot dead after robbing a store and punching on with a cop" Guys, the cops in ferguson need to let anyone of different skin colour commit crimes so it's not racist. thats what these protesters want.[/QUOTE] A lot of the looters came from different towns when the news picked up on the protests, apparently.
[QUOTE=sgman91;45745283]I've been thinking about this as well. Why are all the elected positions filled with white people? If the town has a majority black population, then they should be able to elect whoever they want for those spots (esp. mayor and police chief). If white people are currently in charge it's because black people either voted them in or didn't vote.[/QUOTE] I feel it's mostly because "Fuck the police"
[QUOTE=Subby;45745238]Why aren't there more black cops in ferguson? It would definitely help purge the racism out. [/QUOTE] Cant hire black people if they dont apply
[QUOTE=sgman91;45745283]I've been thinking about this as well. Why are all the elected positions filled with white people? If the town has a majority black population, then they should be able to elect whoever they want for those spots (esp. mayor and police chief). If white people are currently in charge it's because black people either voted them in or didn't vote.[/QUOTE] Black people are disproportionately affected by policies that disenfranchise voters so I can only assume that this plays a part. Even when there isn't disenfranchisement there are still issues with accessibility of voting - poor neighbourhoods have worse access to polling stations. I'm not sure if this state has policies like this or not so don't take this to be any kind of conclusive statement.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45745341]Black people are disproportionately affected by policies that disenfranchise voters so I can only assume that this plays a part. Even when there isn't disenfranchisement there are still issues with accessibility of voting - poor neighbourhoods have worse access to polling stations. I'm not sure if this state has policies like this or not so don't take this to be any kind of conclusive statement.[/QUOTE] I thought polling stations can be setup by members of the public? Also, what about cars, busses and walking?
[QUOTE=Subby;45745238] I don't understand how people are defending the protesters, there not protesting for anything in particular except "oh a black kid got shot dead after robbing a store and punching on with a cop" [/QUOTE] This is probably the most one-dimensional reading of a situation I have seen. Have you ever considered that they could have motives beyond the immediate cause?
[QUOTE=Subby;45745361]I thought polling stations can be setup by members of the public?[/QUOTE] I'm not sure of the specifics but I know in the end you need staff to run the polling station and that staff needs to be paid. If the state government neglects education, social services, and infrastructure in a certain region it sort of stands to reason that they're going to keep the budget for running elections in that area as low as possible as well. [QUOTE=Subby;45745361] Also, what about cars, busses and walking?[/QUOTE] Public transit in poor neighbourhoods has the same problem - it simply doesn't exist. I'm not sure the stats on car ownership amongst these demographics but we're still talking about a diversion that people working 2+ menial jobs probably can't afford to take.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45745341]Black people are disproportionately affected by policies that disenfranchise voters so I can only assume that this plays a part. Even when there isn't disenfranchisement there are still issues with accessibility of voting - poor neighbourhoods have worse access to polling stations. I'm not sure if this state has policies like this or not so don't take this to be any kind of conclusive statement.[/QUOTE] I would think that that would be extremely unlikely. To do that they would need to disallow a full third of the town's population from voting. Even half the black people in the town would beat out every single white person's vote.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;45745367]This is probably the most one-dimensional reading of a situation I have seen. Have you ever considered that they could have motives beyond the immediate cause?[/QUOTE] Yes Well, lets address the issues: Black kid got shot, instantly claimed innocent, later found to be guilty of robbing a store and brawling with an officer. Small black majority town with mostly white cops, all justice upheld will be deemed to be an act of racism.
Courtesy of [url=https://twitter.com/leyawn/status/501963216579489792]twitter[/url] [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3797350/hosting/2014-08/2014-08-20_08-38-58.png[/img] Apparently the article didn't originally claim that the x-ray they posted was a "file image", that was an addition today.
[QUOTE=Subby;45745393]Yes Well, lets address the issues: Black kid got shot, instantly claimed innocent, later found to be guilty of robbing a store and brawling with an officer. Small black majority town with mostly white cops, all justice upheld will be deemed to be an act of racism.[/QUOTE] Even now you're being black/white. The fact he robbed a store doesn't immediately invalidate his claims to innocence. I mean, do we even know that excessive force was not used in the situation? If not, how can we assume that there isn't a legitimate grievance with the way the police operate.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45745395]Courtesy of [url=https://twitter.com/leyawn/status/501963216579489792]twitter[/url] [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3797350/hosting/2014-08/2014-08-20_08-38-58.png[/img] Apparently the article didn't originally claim that the x-ray they posted was a "file image", that was an addition today.[/QUOTE] They never claimed it was of the officer. People are stupid.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;45745459]They never claimed it was of the officer. People are stupid.[/QUOTE] Ahaha okay I'm sure only idiots would ever intuitively assume that a photo of an x-ray in an article about someone's broken eye-socket is connected to that person. :rolleye:
I mean, it says file right below it
If he was actually punched in the face photos would have been released first thing. All I'm reading here is a bunch of low-key racist bullshit in response to a fake news article. The black protesters ARE protesting peacefully, the guy who threw the water bottle tonight that started another volleying of tear gas was a WHITE guy. The protesters are attempting at stopping the violent protesters and the ones who would aggravate the situation, there are white supremacy groups actively working to make these protesters look like the bad guys. Like, 95% of what I read here was uninformed racist garbage, FP get your shit together.
[QUOTE=MR-X;45740561]I bet protesters are gonna feel dumb after this whole thing is wrapped up.[/QUOTE] Why?
[QUOTE=Subby;45745238]Why aren't there more black cops in ferguson? It would definitely help purge the racism out. Also why are black people looting their own town? I don't understand how people are defending the protesters, there not protesting for anything in particular except "oh a black kid got shot dead after robbing a store and punching on with a cop" Guys, the cops in ferguson need to let anyone of different skin colour commit crimes so it's not racist. thats what these protesters want.[/QUOTE] Why do you think there aren't a lot of black cops in the first place? Cops are part of the system that oppresses their people, and a lot of the black people who become cops are self-hating. They're not looting their own town, there were a few scant looters that were NOT part of the protesters. I don't understand how you think something like "a black kid got shot dead" (it was already proven he didn't rob the store, and he didn't punch the cop either) is such a trivial thing. White People in America have perpetuated a long genocide against Black People These protesters want justice for Mike Brown, and every other [B][I]INNOCENT[/I][/B] OR NOT (because robbing a store, even though he didn't DOES NOT JUSTIFY MURDER) black child who is cut down before their prime. They're not just looking for some free pass to commit crimes you racist asshole. Take your racist australian ass outta here and go fuck around in the outback and fry to death or something. [QUOTE=MR-X;45740561]I bet protesters are gonna feel dumb after this whole thing is wrapped up.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=asteroidrules;45740611]They should, but they won't.[/QUOTE] Yeah man, they should like, totally feel dumb for protesting the fact that police brutality against black people is a huge issue, the fact that there's a huge media blackout, the fact that during these PEACEFUL protests more black people are being left injured in the streets, and the fact that in reality there hasn't been much progress since the 50's for black rights. I bet these posters are gonna feel dumb after they find out this article was fake. You should be fucking ashamed of yourselves. More FP-brand racism. [QUOTE=wraithcat;45742017]to be honest a 9 to 1 arrests among minorities isn't so insane when you consider that minorities made roughly 70% of the population. (mind you that was the 2010 census, so population may have shifted even moe) That would give you a 7:3 arrest count if it followed along racial lines. When you add in other facts, like that US minorities tend to be poorer, a 9:1 arrest count seems fairly in line with the population actually.[/QUOTE] Uhm, a large portion of this being because our system values White People more, and has made a VERY large effort to keep the black community in poorer socioeconomic situations. Minorities make up 70% of the population but the majority of them are poor. This is "in line with" the fact that the US is largely built on a system that is dedicated to oppressing and demonizing People of Color, but even moreso, Black People.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;45744891][URL]http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/43751_Jim_Hofts_Unsourced_Claim_That_Officer_Darren_Wilson_Had_an_Orbital_Blowout_Fracture_of_the_Eye_Socket[/URL] Surprise! Shitty right-wing blogger is completely full of shit. File photo was modified to mislead readers, no ambulance was ever called for Wilson's supposed injury, and Wilson shows no symptoms on video. Also, the crown jewel of this idiot's bullshit assertions: That he, a wingnut blogger, has exclusive access to very relevant information that supports the officer's side, i.e. information that would have been dumped to the mainstream media in a heartbeat. But, no, he would have us believe that he has super-secret exclusive sources that you won't find on the lamestream media like BBC or NPR. If you believe that, I can get you a great price on a bridge in New Jersey. I move that posting anything from thegatewaypundit.com as a source be an immediate bannable offense, because it has the journalistic value of Breitbart, Infowars, Glenn Beck, or [b]randomly generated Twitter posts.[/b][/QUOTE] Can we ban max for that asinine shit in the other thread please?
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;45744891][URL]http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/43751_Jim_Hofts_Unsourced_Claim_That_Officer_Darren_Wilson_Had_an_Orbital_Blowout_Fracture_of_the_Eye_Socket[/URL] Surprise! Shitty right-wing blogger is completely full of shit. File photo was modified to mislead readers, no ambulance was ever called for Wilson's supposed injury, and Wilson shows no symptoms on video. Also, the crown jewel of this idiot's bullshit assertions: That he, a wingnut blogger, has exclusive access to very relevant information that supports the officer's side, i.e. information that would have been dumped to the mainstream media in a heartbeat. But, no, he would have us believe that he has super-secret exclusive sources that you won't find on the lamestream media like BBC or NPR. If you believe that, I can get you a great price on a bridge in New Jersey. I move that posting anything from thegatewaypundit.com as a source be an immediate bannable offense, because it has the journalistic value of Breitbart, Infowars, Glenn Beck, or randomly generated Twitter posts.[/QUOTE] And yet, plenty of people will continue to trust this article and the rest of his blog. Little Green Footballs' post will just be decried as liberal media LIES AND SLANDER, and the rumor will live on in various right-wing "news" blogs.
no one trusts the gateway pundit except people who think the tea party is too liberal
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;45744891]I move that posting anything from thegatewaypundit.com as a source be an immediate bannable offense, because it has the journalistic value of Breitbart, Infowars, Glenn Beck, or randomly generated Twitter posts.[/QUOTE] If we could nominate sources for an immediate ban, SH would be dead as fuck
[QUOTE=Code3Response;45752224]If we could nominate sources for an immediate ban, SH would be dead as fuck[/QUOTE] Or, it would have actual reputable sources and stories.
The word now: -Brown and his friend walking in the middle of the street -Officer happens to drive by, coming off another call, tells them from inside his car to get out of the middle of the street because they're blocking traffic -They ignored him, so the officer started getting out of the car -Brown pushed him back in his car and started hitting him in the face, fracturing his eye socket, and began struggling for the gun -The gun went off inside the car once, unclear who's finger actually pulled the trigger in the struggle, Brown stood back up and started backing up -Officer drew his gun -Brown said 'What are you gonna do, shoot me?' (Ha) and then charged at the officer again -Officer shot him 6 times -Police chief took officer to the hospital with a completely swollen face So now we have the officer's side of the story, and apparently there's actual proof of it all to come, as well. This info was posted on Fox News, at that
How did the chief take him to the hospital himself unless he was on scene? and if he was on scene, why didn't he have a fucking clue how many times brown was shot when he was asked about that in a press conference?
[QUOTE=TheTalon;45752634]The word now: -Brown and his friend walking in the middle of the street -Officer happens to drive by, coming off another call, tells them from inside his car to get out of the middle of the street because they're blocking traffic -They ignored him, so the officer started getting out of the car -Brown pushed him back in his car and started hitting him in the face, fracturing his eye socket, and began struggling for the gun -The gun went off inside the car once, Brown stood back up and started backing up -Officer drew his gun -Brown said 'What are you gonna do, shoot me?' (Ha) and then charged at the officer again -Officer shot him 6 times -Police chief took officer to the hospital with a completely swollen face So now we have the officer's side of the story, and apparently there's actual proof of it all to come, as well[/QUOTE] "The characterization about Officer Darren Wilson being injured in his confrontation with Michael Brown emerged on the day that a grand jury was expected to begin hearing evidence in the shooting." Ferguson PD already tried to manufacture evidence to make it seem like Mike Brown robbed a store. Do you really think their lies are gonna stop there? If they had actual evidence that it happened right then there, it would've been in the news [I]first[/I] thing.
[QUOTE=Lebowski;45752668]"The characterization about Officer Darren Wilson being injured in his confrontation with Michael Brown emerged on the day that a grand jury was expected to begin hearing evidence in the shooting." Ferguson PD already tried to manufacture evidence to make it seem like Mike Brown robbed a store. Do you really think their lies are gonna stop there?[/QUOTE] Yeah the police manufactured the video of Brown actually robbing a store. You're one of THOSE people, aren't you? The video is irrelevant, anyway, it's why I didn't say shit about it
[QUOTE=TheTalon;45752634]The word now: -Brown and his friend walking in the middle of the street -Officer happens to drive by, coming off another call, tells them from inside his car to get out of the middle of the street because they're blocking traffic -They ignored him, so the officer started getting out of the car -Brown pushed him back in his car and started hitting him in the face, fracturing his eye socket, and began struggling for the gun -The gun went off inside the car once, unclear who's finger actually pulled the trigger in the struggle, Brown stood back up and started backing up -Officer drew his gun -Brown said 'What are you gonna do, shoot me?' (Ha) and then charged at the officer again -Officer shot him 6 times -Police chief took officer to the hospital with a completely swollen face So now we have the officer's side of the story, and apparently there's actual proof of it all to come, as well. This info was posted on Fox News, at that[/QUOTE] Tbh it literally doesn't make a difference if Brown assaulted him this way or if he was just jay walking and didn't stop.• the cop still murdered him without reason (could have pepper sprayed him or used another non-lethal method to stop him) and using this to justify Mike Brown's death is a disgusting example of victim blaming and probably racism (not calling you out specifically just a general statement)
[QUOTE=Lebowski;45752668]"The characterization about Officer Darren Wilson being injured in his confrontation with Michael Brown emerged on the day that a grand jury was expected to begin hearing evidence in the shooting." Ferguson PD already tried to manufacture evidence to make it seem like Mike Brown robbed a store. Do you really think their lies are gonna stop there? If they had actual evidence that it happened right then there, it would've been in the news [I]first[/I] thing.[/QUOTE] ... no
[QUOTE=TheTalon;45752676]Yeah the police manufactured the video of Brown actually robbing a store. You're one of THOSE people, aren't you? The video is irrelevant, anyway, it's why I didn't say shit about it[/QUOTE] [quote]Did Mike Brown Actually Pay for those Cigarellos after all? Here is another piece of the convenience store survelliance video from what the Ferguson Policed labeled a “strong arm robbery” involving Mike Brown. It’s from a different camera than what the Ferguson Police released to the public. While there is no audio (which is not uncommon with convenience store cameras) the video shows an angle that the Ferguson cops chose to ignore and not share with the public. #1 From this angle it appears to not have been a clear-cut robbery at all. But rather it’s quite possible that Mike Brown was actually paying the clerk and taking items he purchased. #2 contrary to initial reports that Brown snatched merchandise while a clerk was in the bathroom, this angle clearly shows Brown in constant dialog with a store employee who was behind the counter the entire time. #3 Cigarellos, like condoms, cigarettes, lottery tickets, etc are frequently kept on the counter or behind the counter, so seeing Brown reach over the counter in the clear presence of an employee doesn’t in and of itself constitute a theft or even shoplifting. #4 The video shows a clear dispute between Brown and the store clerk. Perhaps Brown tried to take more cigarellos than he paid for, which would explain the clerk attempting to block the door. #5 Even shoving a store employee as Brown is shown to do in THIS VIDEO ( [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxu55mV_SuU[/url] ) in the process does not constitute “strong arm robbery”. At best this is a misdemeanor assault punishable by a fine and a couple days in county jail. #6 The store clerk did not call the police. Did the clerk chose not to call police out of fear of retaliation by Brown? Or was that because as annoying as this was, the store clerk didn’t see it as that big of a deal worthy of involving the police? #7 Why isn’t this portion of video being released to the public by the police? #8 Since the Ferguson PD left out this part of the video, what else have they left out? Combine this with the fact that the Ferguson police didn’t even interview witnesses at the scene of the shooting and it’s clear that the Ferguson Police are not only prejudiced, but are wholly incompetent in basic matters of gathering evidence and following common sense police procedures. As of this posting, the Ferguson police have yet to be able to explain how stopping an 18yro for jaywalking and impeding traffic turned into a one-sided shootout with an unarmed victim where numerous witness have gone on national TV saying “he had his hands up when he was shot”.[/quote] The SRC of the writer of these arguments: [url]http://prodigalpen.tumblr.com/post/95034247649/did-mike-brown-actually-pay-for-those-cigarellos[/url] The police were also already criticized for producing a table of manufactured evidence ONCE. [img]http://33.media.tumblr.com/d37b13e991b414d79f82de64fa77b322/tumblr_najxt051RX1tdzwwno1_1280.jpg[/img] [img]http://31.media.tumblr.com/733bc1c4196dae597f6734b34ed06b7a/tumblr_najxt051RX1tdzwwno2_1280.jpg[/img] [quote] TUESDAY 8/19: Ferguson PD presented a table full of fabricated evidence at this morning’s press conference - allegedly seized from protestors and stopped cars. The Colt 45 Molotov with a white bandana was the crowning glory, turns out you can’t even buy glass 40’s in Missouri. Stay classy, FPD I seriously think white supremacist are coming in the area to frame the protesters, but it could just be the cops Nah I think that’s exactly what’s going on.[/quote] The particular post in question that has been circulating for src: [url]http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/95302609144/piddlebucket-thisiswhiteprivilege[/url]
People playing detective is one of my most hated pet peeves. It's extremely annoying reading or hearing the theories people developed with 10 minutes of internet self education based on secondhand knowledge of reports of reports with no access to any of the actual evidence and no way to properly study it even if they did. It's incredibly difficult to discover and make sense of the truth even under the best of conditions when you're a detective or scientist who's trained to do these things with lots of resources at your disposal and all of the possible evidence. It would be like me reading a Wikipedia article and then trying to discredit Stephen Hawking's writings using the most dubious proofs possible.
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