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[QUOTE=plunger435;50264038]We're not talking about the Republican Party intimidating African Americans. He's claiming the DNC is the one doing that.[/QUOTE] By saying if they don't vote for them the repbulican party will take control and screw them. It's coercion by fear. I'm not so stupid that I don't understand that concept dude.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50264046]By saying if they don't vote for them the repbulican party will take control and screw them. It's coercion by fear. I'm not so stupid that I don't understand that concept dude.[/QUOTE] Then why did you make an irrelevant post talking about the Republican Party gerrymandering when neither of us had something close to the subject? Fact is the source is probably one of the most nonsensical on Facepunch and the claim that the DNC intimidates minorities into voting for Clinton because they're scared of White Supremacists doesn't even warrant a defense from anyone on this forum. His evidence amounts to saying Clinton had the highest chance of winning a GE, which somehow tricks all the minorities into voting for her more.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50264073]Then why did you make an irrelevant post talking about the Republican Party gerrymandering when neither of us had something close to the subject? Fact is the source is probably one of the most nonsensical on Facepunch and the claim that the DNC intimidates minorities into voting for Clinton because they're scared of White Supremacists doesn't even warrant a defense from anyone on this forum. His evidence amounts to saying Clinton had the highest chance of winning a GE, which somehow tricks all the minorities into voting for her more.[/QUOTE] oh sorry I wasted your precious internet arguing time Plungy. I don't agree with the article. I agree with the concept of the article as far as the idea that the DNC pushes the idea that the majority of black people should be relatively afraid of an election that the GOP wins.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50263972]Have you actually read your entire source by the way? It's a fear mongering blog post that slanders the entire Republican Party as a white supremacist movement.[/QUOTE] Actually it directs plenty of blame toward both parties. Do I agree with everything Glen Ford says? No, of course not. But I do agree with some of his points, such as this one. [QUOTE=plunger435;50263972]That's not intimidating them into voting for Clinton that's making it more appealing to vote for democrats as a whole over republicans.[/quote] Sure it is. When you have a political establishment that pays lip-service to minorities and the poor, at the same time offering bad policy that's only marginally better than the competition, all the while feeding people's fears with the same end-times predictions and political tribalism it supposedly despises, how is that not intimidation? It doesn't sound like you're a huge Glen Ford fan. I'd encourage you to check out one of his lectures, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckkl3DYL6dk]U.S. Imperialism Hopping on Just One Leg[/url]. You might agree with him more than you think.
[QUOTE=mcharest;50264128]Actually it directs plenty of blame toward both parties. Do I agree with everything Glen Ford says? No, of course not. But I do agree with some of his points, such as this one. Sure it is. When you have a political establishment that pays lip-service to minorities and the poor, at the same time offering bad policy that's only marginally better than the competition, all the while feeding people's fears with the same end-times predictions and political tribalism it supposedly despises, how is that not intimidation? It doesn't sound like you're a huge Glen Ford fan. I'd encourage you to check out one of his lectures, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckkl3DYL6dk]U.S. Imperialism Hopping on Just One Leg[/url]. You might agree with him more than you think.[/QUOTE] You're still not even mentioning Clinton or how she fits into all this. Saying the Democratic Party gets more minority votes because they're policies help minorities more isn't voter intimidation it's common sense.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50264158]You're still not even mentioning Clinton[/QUOTE] She's a puppet for the DNC. I thought that was obvious from the outset. Regardless, I'm talking about the party as a whole here, not any one individual. [QUOTE=plunger435;50264158]help minorities more[/QUOTE] I think this is our fundamental disagreement. Hurting minorities less does not equal helping them more. To cite a few examples: the Democrats sponsored the 1994 crime bill, NAFTA was supported by 102 congressional democrats, and the current administration passed the TPP and is pursuing another EU/US trade deal, all bad trade policy that will disproportionately affect low-income and minority citizens.
[QUOTE=mcharest;50264228]She's a puppet for the DNC. I thought that was obvious from the outset. Regardless, I'm talking about the party as a whole here, not any one individual. I think this is our fundamental disagreement. Hurting minorities less does not equal helping them more. To cite a few examples: the Democrats sponsored the 1994 crime bill, NAFTA was supported by 102 congressional democrats, and the current administration passed the TPP and is pursuing another EU/US trade deal, all bad trade policy that will disproportionately affect low-income and minority citizens.[/QUOTE] No the Democratic Party definitely helps minorities more than the Republican Party. I can admit that much. Bad trade deals might hurt low income families, but they aren't purposefully targeting minorities like it make it sound.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50264252]No the Democratic Party definitely helps minorities more than the Republican Party. I can admit that much. Bad trade deals might hurt low income families, but they aren't purposefully targeting minorities like it make it sound.[/QUOTE] I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. What I'm saying is that collectively, the entire process is geared toward intimidating minority voters and that there's plenty of tribalism on both sides of the aisle, despite the facade of civility on the Democratic side. I'm not saying that the TPP is responsible for intimidating African-American voters or anything like that, I'm just giving examples of bad policy, which are painted over with superficial appeals to inclusiveness and tolerance.
[QUOTE=27X;50260990]Pretty sure they used to say it, Def Comedy Jam was the number 2 program on HBO for a while after the Chris Rock show, and both used the phrase rather extensively, I daresay Chris Rock might be the guy who came up with it.[/QUOTE] Ah, that explains it I grew up never being able to afford HBO, and everyone I knew who did were the kind of white people who would see those shows and think "those are meant for black people, I don't think I'd get any of the jokes". So of course that joke never made it anywhere I would have heard it.
[QUOTE=lavacano;50264292]Ah, that explains it I grew up never being able to afford HBO, and everyone I knew who did were the kind of white people who would see those shows and think "those are meant for black people, I don't think I'd get any of the jokes". So of course that joke never made it anywhere I would have heard it.[/QUOTE] It's just an older comment. Ask someone over the age of 40 and they'll almost certainly have heard it before. I only know it from parents mentioning it.
[QUOTE=mcharest;50264270]I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. What I'm saying is that collectively, the entire process is geared toward intimidating minority voters and that there's plenty of tribalism on both sides of the aisle, despite the facade of civility on the Democratic side. I'm not saying that the TPP is responsible for intimidating African-American voters or anything like that, I'm just giving examples of bad policy, which are painted over with superficial appeals to inclusiveness and tolerance.[/QUOTE] Nah you straight up said it was fear tactics AKA intimidation. [QUOTE=mcharest;50263841]For those who want to understand why African-Americans overwhelmingly side with Clinton rather than Sanders, I offer you [url=http://blackagendareport.com/victor_of_fear_blacks_and_dems]this article[/url] by Glen Ford. To sum up: It's not that surprising when you think about it. Since the beginning, the DNC has maintained the illusion that Hillary Clinton is the best candidate to go up against the GOP. They've maintained this illusion through fear, not facts.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=plunger435;50264498]Nah you straight up said it was fear tactics AKA intimidation.[/QUOTE] That's correct. Playing into people's fears of Donald Trump and intentionally feeding them misinformation leading them to believe that Hillary Clinton is the more viable candidate is akin to intimidation, in my opinion. That's the goal of the process. In my opinion. Seriously man how long are we going to keep going with this
[QUOTE=mcharest;50265688]That's correct. Playing into people's fears of Donald Trump and intentionally feeding them misinformation leading them to believe that Hillary Clinton is the more viable candidate is akin to intimidation, in my opinion. That's the goal of the process. In my opinion. Seriously man how long are we going to keep going with this[/QUOTE] Where did we get purposefully spreading misinformation about Trump to force votes for Clinton?
[QUOTE=mcharest;50263841]For those who want to understand why African-Americans overwhelmingly side with Clinton rather than Sanders, I offer you [url=http://blackagendareport.com/victor_of_fear_blacks_and_dems]this article[/url] by Glen Ford. To sum up: It's not that surprising when you think about it. Since the beginning, the DNC has maintained the illusion that Hillary Clinton is the best candidate to go up against the GOP. They've maintained this illusion through fear, not facts.[/QUOTE] hm, although they are still low information voters in this senrio I feel kinda bad for them.
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;50265717]hm, although they are still low information voters in this senrio I feel kinda bad for them.[/QUOTE] What do you mean still low information voters?
[QUOTE=plunger435;50265774]What do you mean still low information voters?[/QUOTE] There voting out of fear instead of checking for facts
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;50265787]There voting out of fear instead of checking for facts[/QUOTE] How many of the 65% of African American who vote democrat are we counting as these low information voters?
[QUOTE=plunger435;50265816]How many of the 65% of African American who vote democrat are we counting as these low information voters?[/QUOTE] Most people don't care about politics, isn't that right to say? Then how can black voters be surreptitiously more informed than the default voter? I'd say it's fair to classify them as ignorant as the typical voter of politics.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50265868]Most people don't care about politics, isn't that right to say? Then how can black voters be surreptitiously more informed than the default voter? I'd say it's fair to classify them as ignorant as the typical voter of politics.[/QUOTE] I'm not the one claiming that they're susceptible to voter intimidation because they're low information voters.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50265702]Where did we get purposefully spreading misinformation about Trump to force votes for Clinton?[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html]Sanders polls consistently better than Clinton in head-to-head match ups with Trump.[/url] Every major poll has Sanders beating Trump by double-digits, as opposed to only one in Clinton's case (CNN/ORC, 4/28/16-5/1/16). [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html]In all other cases, Clinton scrapes by with single-digits.[/url] One poll (Rasmussen, 4/28/16-4/29/16) even has Clinton [I]losing[/I] to Trump. Yet CNN and other media outlets continue to talk about Clinton as if she is the more electable candidate, despite her zero appeal to independents and Republicans. (See [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggFitmOTSok]this clip[/url] at 14:40.) In addition to the media coverage, the Clinton campaign continues to insist that Sanders would lose to Trump. I've chatted with quite a few Clinton supporters online, at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner in Manchester NH, and at the Maine caucus who actually believe that Clinton is more electable than Sanders. So yeah, I'd say they're intentionally spreading misinformation. Satisified? [I]Edited:[/I] [QUOTE=plunger435;50265876]I'm not the one claiming that they're susceptible to voter intimidation because they're low information voters.[/QUOTE] Politics in this country is still a white man's club. I'd say it has more to do with self-preservation than ignorance. But again, I'm not an African-American voter. I'm merely speculating.
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