• Gun Owners Of America Chief Defends George Zimmerman: Trayvon Martin Was ‘Assailant’
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[QUOTE=Vasili;35297519][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11648828/1332704683903.jpg[/img] yeah media on the left side are basically trying to make the public more sympathetic for Martin by using a older photo (about 4-5 years old) because well to be honest he looks like a thug with those gold teeth and angry expressions that he uploaded to his facebook. Its also likely believed he was a dealer and the area he was walking around in at the time has been a hot spot for a number of crimes including a shooting not a while ago, but that's pretty irrelevant. The police also said they found nothing in Martins pockets other than sweets and a drink, what happened to his wallet/money?[/QUOTE] First of all, that "gold teeth" is crowns from the dentist, he may have gotten his teeth done at the dentist, and second of all, that doesn't make you look like a thug. And those angry expressions? This is facebook we are talking about, he is trying to impress his friends. Dude he's about 16 years old, how is he a dealer? What happened to his wallet money? He probably had pocket money he used for his snacks, and spent it all on those snacks. You are stupid
I think everyone can agree with me when I say "Only in America"
Yeah really, gold crowns are common. He's was a football player, I'm not surprised his teeth are all bashed up.
The atmosphere of fear brings profits to weapons and safety manufacturers. "You can't know when criminals will decide to burglarise your house, and when they do they probably have a gun so you need one too."
[QUOTE=Vasili;35297519] yeah media on the left side are basically trying to make the public more sympathetic for Martin by using a older photo (about 4-5 years old) because well to be honest he looks like a thug with those gold teeth and angry expressions that he uploaded to his facebook. Its also likely believed he was a dealer and the area he was walking around in at the time has been a hot spot for a number of crimes including a shooting not a while ago, but that's pretty irrelevant. The police also said they found nothing in Martins pockets other than sweets and a drink, what happened to his wallet/money?[/QUOTE] doesnt mean shit what he looked like. it matters what he was doing at the time. until everyone can get the facts on what martin did or didnt do we cant say if zimmerman was justifed in his actions or not. why cant people just be patient and wait for details instead of immediately jumping to conclusions? [editline]26th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Falchion;35299364]The atmosphere of fear brings profits to weapons and safety manufacturers. "You can't know when criminals will decide to burglarise your house, and when they do they probably have a gun so you need one too."[/QUOTE] the atmosphere of fear brings profits to media, stockbrokers, pharmaceutical companies, and about a million other industries.
[QUOTE=Crash15;35298849]First of all, that "gold teeth" is crowns from the dentist, he may have gotten his teeth done at the dentist, and second of all, that doesn't make you look like a thug. And those angry expressions? This is facebook we are talking about, he is trying to impress his friends. [b]Dude he's about 16 years old, how is he a dealer?[/b] What happened to his wallet money? He probably had pocket money he used for his snacks, and spent it all on those snacks. You are stupid[/QUOTE] Besides this part, you're spot on. I know dealers as young as 15 years old
why are people acting like if this kid isnt a saint his murder is automatically justifiable?
I heard Anderson Cooper say Hoodies are every-day wear and he wears them all the time (I've never seen it) Trying to say that Hoodies aren't sketchy or suspicious. Hoodies are damn suspicious. More robberies are committed with them than without. So I'm not going to fault the Neighborhood Watch Captain for thinking so and maybe wanting to check it out. But he's not a police officer, and had no business confronting the guy to begin with. He should've called the police. And now, my ability to conceal carry is going to be under threat in a few months time because of this bullshit, no doubt
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35298060] He was mumbling a generalisation, listen to his 911 call. Honestly, Zimmerman sounded a bit hopped up on something. When I first heard it, I thought he was on drugs. But here's the thing, we will never know because the police who investigated this fucked up this investigation to hell.[/QUOTE] they found out he said "fucking punks" not coons.
[QUOTE=Vasili;35300297]they found out he said "fucking punks" not coons.[/QUOTE] it still sounds more like he said coons to me but i mean it can go either way i guess
I'm more fascinated by media manipulation in this. Eitherway it seems to be this: Zimmerman claims he was attacked Physical evidence support he was attacked Eye witness testimony corroborates his story Under self defense law if he felt his life was in danger he would be in his right to shoot him, that's just how American law works. I still stand by the fact that its highly unlikely Martin would of attacked someone waving a gun at them, Zimmerman had a concealed weapons permit and likely shot him when he got into a struggle, its still not determined who was screaming for help in the 911 call but two claims have stated it was Zimmerman.
It seems to me, zimmerman wouldn't be the subject of such national negative attention from the media if he would just up and admit what he did was wrong (he's done that part so far, allegedly, or its just his lawyer trying to make the media more sympathetic) and stop trying to avoid the consequences for his actions. I'll refuse to have any sympathy for the man if he somehow escapes justice, no matter what happens to him. If he'd just plead guilty to murder or manslaughter, he'd be saving himself a lot of trouble and people would hate him a lot less.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;35300411]It seems to me, zimmerman wouldn't be the subject of such national negative attention from the media if he would just up and admit what he did was wrong (he's done that part so far, allegedly, or its just his lawyer trying to make the media more sympathetic) and stop trying to avoid the consequences for his actions. I'll refuse to have any sympathy for the man if he somehow escapes justice, no matter what happens to him. If he'd just plead guilty to murder or manslaughter, he'd be saving himself a lot of trouble and people would hate him a lot less.[/QUOTE] I think he is more scared for his life right now as he is in hiding, black panthers have a 10k bounty on his head while just about the majority of the country alone want his head and are threatening to riot if he gets away free (oh boy Los Angeles riots all over again).
[QUOTE=TheTalon;35300276]I heard Anderson Cooper say Hoodies are every-day wear and he wears them all the time (I've never seen it) Trying to say that Hoodies aren't sketchy or suspicious. Hoodies are damn suspicious. More robberies are committed with them than without. So I'm not going to fault the Neighborhood Watch Captain for thinking so and maybe wanting to check it out. But he's not a police officer, and had no business confronting the guy to begin with. He should've called the police. And now, my ability to conceal carry is going to be under threat in a few months time because of this bullshit, no doubt[/QUOTE] Okay, so I should stop wearing hoodies because I could get shot for no reason? [editline]26th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Vasili;35300404]I'm more fascinated by media manipulation in this. Eitherway it seems to be this: Zimmerman claims he was attacked Physical evidence support he was attacked Eye witness testimony corroborates his story Under self defense law if he felt his life was in danger he would be in his right to shoot him, that's just how American law works. I still stand by the fact that its highly unlikely Martin would of attacked someone waving a gun at them, Zimmerman had a concealed weapons permit and likely shot him when he got into a struggle, its still not determined who was screaming for help in the 911 call but two claims have stated it was Zimmerman.[/QUOTE] The evidence has so many holes in it saying it's clear is absolutely fucking ignorant.
No one has claimed to have seen Martin attack Zimmerman, it's still just Zimmermans word and that hasn't changed. And all the witnesses have said that it was Martin that was shouting for help, as is heard on the tapes. Vasili just seems to want to have his own version of what happened and everything else is 'media manipulation'.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;35300497]No one has claimed to have seen Martin attack Zimmerman, it's still just Zimmermans word and that hasn't changed. And all the witnesses have said that it was Martin that was shouting for help, as is heard on the tapes. Vasili just seems to want to have his own version of what happened and everything else is 'media manipulation'.[/QUOTE] Well there is this [url]http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/witness_supports_self_defense_story_hJ7s3EBd9LtYlZaE41WzFP[/url]
[QUOTE=Crash15;35298849]Dude he's about 16 years old, how is he a dealer?[/QUOTE] Are you thick or something? How does being 16 years old preclude you from being a dealer? In fact, most dealers are in their late teens or early 20s.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;35300276]I heard Anderson Cooper say Hoodies are every-day wear and he wears them all the time (I've never seen it) Trying to say that Hoodies aren't sketchy or suspicious. Hoodies are damn suspicious. More robberies are committed with them than without. So I'm not going to fault the Neighborhood Watch Captain for thinking so and maybe wanting to check it out. But he's not a police officer, and had no business confronting the guy to begin with. He should've called the police. And now, my ability to conceal carry is going to be under threat in a few months time because of this bullshit, no doubt[/QUOTE] Don't be throwing stones from glass houses. I'd be much less suspicious of a man in a hoodie than a man with a concealed gun.
[QUOTE=Vasili;35300599]Well there is this [url]http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/witness_supports_self_defense_story_hJ7s3EBd9LtYlZaE41WzFP[/url][/QUOTE] We're aware of the story, also NYpost, not a good source.
My gut says Trayvon did nothing, but since I wasn't there it'd all be witch-hunting. Excuse me as I remain neutral in this case.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35300809]We're aware of the story, also NYpost, not a good source.[/QUOTE] A friend of Zimmerman who has known him for 10 years says he can clearly hear it is George's voice shouting for help on the 911 tapes. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW5BQs6tCdA[/media]
[QUOTE=Vasili;35300860]A friend of Zimmerman who has known him for 10 years says he can clearly hear it is George's voice shouting for help on the 911 tapes. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW5BQs6tCdA[/media][/QUOTE] And there are people who say otherwise. You see how the holes seem to persist? It's because the investigation was awfully done. I could also argue, being his friend, the yelling could be him victimising his friend. And of course, on the other hand it could be said the same for everyone else. [editline]26th March 2012[/editline] Your racism Vasili is getting in the way of your judgement.
[QUOTE=Vasili;35300297]they found out he said "fucking punks" not coons.[/QUOTE] Didn't CNN do something with a sound analyst and find that it [I]was[/I], in fact, "coons" that he said, or am I just tripping balls here?
[QUOTE=SaintHitler;35297416]I have to admit. If a black guy in a hoodie and said that in a sterotypical angry black persons voice, I would literally shit my pants. Also some photos from a website. [IMG]http://tray.site50.net/Trayvon_Martin.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Whoever made that image used the wrong facebook account.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35301300] Your racism Vasili is getting in the way of your judgement.[/QUOTE] He hasn't said anything racist you tool, he argued that theres support for Martin being the aggressor. This death has been completely milked and sensationalized by the news outlets because of the mob mentality that's come out of this. We all need to step back a bit and think a little more rationally.
I don't believe for a single goddamn second that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, least of all to the extent where he managed to get Zimmerman on his back and was pounding his face in. Zimmerman had a gun and ignored police orders to not follow him along with a previous conviction for assault on a police officer and reports of domestic violence. And I'm supposed to believe that this guy got beaten down by Trayvon who had no weapon whatsoever? Bullshit. Also, another witness came forward: [url]http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/25/10854229-witness-zimmerman-never-tried-to-help-trayvon-martin[/url]
Now where THE FUCK are the idiots who said the NRA and similar organizations are not to blame for this shit? Fuck these fucking gun nuts, and fuck these fascist "neighborhood watches"!
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35301300]And there are people who say otherwise. You see how the holes seem to persist? It's because the investigation was awfully done. I could also argue, being his friend, the yelling could be him victimising his friend. And of course, on the other hand it could be said the same for everyone else. [editline]26th March 2012[/editline] Your racism Vasili is getting in the way of your judgement.[/QUOTE] I don't think you understand the irony of your statement, there are people who say otherwise? Well no shit thats what I'm explaining here. I think you're a little too invested in your point of view to allow other thoughts of opinion to come forward. I don't know how that makes me a racist either. [editline]26th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=BuffaloBill;35302047]I don't believe for a single goddamn second that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, least of all to the extent where he managed to get Zimmerman on his back and was pounding his face in. Zimmerman had a gun and ignored police orders to not follow him along with a previous conviction for assault on a police officer and reports of domestic violence. And I'm supposed to believe that this guy got beaten down by Trayvon who had no weapon whatsoever? Bullshit. Also, another witness came forward: [url]http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/25/10854229-witness-zimmerman-never-tried-to-help-trayvon-martin[/url][/QUOTE] How did Zimmerman end up with a broken nose and covered in grass stains followed by a bloodied head and face? Its quite obvious there was a struggle and its very likely Martin was on top of Zimmerman and attacking him, witnesses support this while the 911 call witness did not even see what was going and was in hiding (her story keeps changing as the case develops). Zimmerman after shooting Martin went into shock and started hysterically crying, that can explain why he didn't try to help the boy (especially if he was attacked by Martin).
This whole case has got blown out of proportion, I'm waiting for it to go to the grand jury so formal judgement can be made. Everyone here gave zimmerman a guilty verdict before any real info came out. I doubt that will change, i think everyone wants to hate him so bad so they're going to look for things to nick pick at. Call it what you will, but like a good lawyer he isn't showing his cards and what he has because when it goes to the courts he is going to use it. And like the other lawyer he is just using public opinion to pressure people and I'm actually scared due to the media outbreak on this zimmerman isn't going to get a fair trial. I'm going to wait before I come up with a opinion till we here the rest. It is kinda sad that everyone wants to paint him as an animal, but this guy is cowering in his home receiving death threats and getting bounties placed on his head. Is this what you guys wanted? I hope not, because if not we're no better then he is at the moment.
[QUOTE=Vasili;35297519][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11648828/1332704683903.jpg[/img] yeah media on the left side are basically trying to make the public more sympathetic for Martin by using a older photo (about 4-5 years old) because well to be honest he looks like a thug with those gold teeth and angry expressions that he uploaded to his facebook. Its also likely believed he was a dealer and the area he was walking around in at the time has been a hot spot for a number of crimes including a shooting not a while ago, but that's pretty irrelevant. The police also said they found nothing in Martins pockets other than sweets and a drink, what happened to his wallet/money?[/QUOTE] where is TH89 when you need him? he's black and therefore gold teeth instantly = thug!!! :downs: [editline]26th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Pace.;35300016]why are people acting like if this kid isnt a saint his murder is automatically justifiable?[/QUOTE] even if he did deal a little weed, that doesn't make him a bad kid he's still just a kid, no matter how you put it [QUOTE=Vasili;35300425]I think he is more scared for his life right now as he is in hiding, black panthers have a 10k bounty on his head while just about the majority of the country alone want his head and are threatening to riot if he gets away free (oh boy Los Angeles riots all over again).[/QUOTE] all that for one kid? Don't want to sound harsh but really
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