Gun Owners Of America Chief Defends George Zimmerman: Trayvon Martin Was ‘Assailant’
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[QUOTE=J!NX;35304076]where is TH89 when you need him?
he's black and therefore gold teeth instantly = thug!!! :downs:
[editline]26th March 2012[/editline]
even if he did deal a little weed, that doesn't make him a bad kid
he's still just a kid, no matter how you put it[/QUOTE]
I know it is a stupid generalization, but the people who are on the side of zimmerman are doing the same thing as the opposite side. They're painting a picture in negative light to enforce their opinion.
Both are going to do it, so it is better to just ignore it and listen to facts and not opinions.
[QUOTE=Vasili;35303795]
How did Zimmerman end up with a broken nose and covered in grass stains followed by a bloodied head and face? Its quite obvious there was a struggle and its very likely Martin was on top of Zimmerman and attacking him, witnesses support this while the 911 call witness did not even see what was going and was in hiding (her story keeps changing as the case develops).
Zimmerman after shooting Martin went into shock and started hysterically crying, that can explain why he didn't try to help the boy (especially if he was attacked by Martin).[/QUOTE]
More than 1 possible explanation. I'm not saying it's impossible that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, but I'm not buying the claim that Trayvon was the aggressor or that he was sitting on top of him pounding his face in. At the end of the day all we know for certain is that Zimmerman shot Trayvon after following him despite being told not to by the police. Whether Trayvon attacked first or whether Zimmerman did is unknown to us at the time, but you can't deny it looks very much like Zimmerman was the aggressor here.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;35304186]More than 1 possible explanation. I'm not saying it's impossible that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, but I'm not buying the claim that Trayvon was the aggressor or that he was sitting on top of him pounding his face in. At the end of the day all we know for certain is that Zimmerman shot Trayvon after following him despite being told not to by the police. Whether Trayvon attacked first or whether Zimmerman did is unknown to us at the time, but you can't deny it looks very much like Zimmerman was the aggressor here.[/QUOTE]
He was [B]advised[/B] not to by 911, he was not told not to follow, however the media keep hounding that he was told not to. The area he was in suffered from a lot of crime and recently a robbery and a shooting, you can see why Zimmerman was on edge. A few witnesses have claimed they saw Martin on top of Zimmerman hitting him.
[QUOTE=Vasili;35296827]he was allowed to carry a pistol anyway, he had a weapons permit[/QUOTE]
How on earth did he get one, he had a criminal record. Are your gun laws [I]that[/I] lax?
[QUOTE=Vasili;35304319]He was [B]advised[/B] not to by 911, he was not told not to follow, however the media keep hounding that he was told not to. The area he was in suffered from a lot of crime and recently a robbery and a shooting, you can see why Zimmerman was on edge. A few witnesses have claimed they saw Martin on top of Zimmerman hitting him.[/QUOTE]
there's a good reason that witnesses are generally the least reliable form of evidence
[QUOTE=Lamar;35301994]He hasn't said anything racist you tool, he argued that theres support for Martin being the aggressor. This death has been completely milked and sensationalized by the news outlets because of the mob mentality that's come out of this. We all need to step back a bit and think a little more rationally.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vasili;35297519][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11648828/1332704683903.jpg[/img]
yeah media on the left side are basically trying to make the public more sympathetic for Martin by using a older photo (about 4-5 years old) because well to be honest he looks like a thug with those gold teeth and angry expressions that he uploaded to his facebook.
Its also likely believed he was a dealer and the area he was walking around in at the time has been a hot spot for a number of crimes including a shooting not a while ago, but that's pretty irrelevant. The police also said they found nothing in Martins pockets other than sweets and a drink, what happened to his wallet/money?[/QUOTE]
lmao, yeah, this is perfectly reasonable. As is the post he quoted which seems like he was agreeing to.
[QUOTE=Vasili;35303795]I don't think you understand the irony of your statement, there are people who say otherwise? Well no shit thats what I'm explaining here. I think you're a little too invested in your point of view to allow other thoughts of opinion to come forward.
I don't know how that makes me a racist either.[/quote]
Okay, so you're arguing for one point, but doing so in a way that is explaining there are people who say otherwise? What? Do you even know what you're talking about anymore?
[quote]How did Zimmerman end up with a broken nose and covered in grass stains followed by a bloodied head and face?[/quote]
No where does it say his nose was broken. And grass stains could have been from any moment in the struggle. Those happen quite easily.
[quote]Its quite obvious there was a struggle and its very likely Martin was on top of Zimmerman and attacking him[/quote]
So Martin yelling for 45 seconds before being cut off by the gunshot, the fact that Zimmerman was being a spastic fuck on the 911 who obviously REALLY wanted to accost this kid, who is about 150 pounds heavier than Martin as well as taller, and the fact he had iced tea and skittles in his fucking pocket for himself and his step brother. So no, it's not very likely Zimmerman is the victim here. And you seem fucking convinced he HAS to be.
Yeah one witness with an extremely shoddy story counters that. Oh wait, now there's a witness on top of the others who say otherwise. Too bad the police are fucking useless
[quote]witnesses support this while the 911 call witness did not even see what was going and was in hiding (her story keeps changing as the case develops).[/quote]
no its not lmao, can you actually use facts?
[quote]Zimmerman after shooting Martin went into shock and started hysterically crying, that can explain why he didn't try to help the boy (especially if he was attacked by Martin).[/QUOTE]
You don't hear that on the 911 call.
Seriously, where the fuck are you getting this information? So far it's based around that one witness who counteracts every single piece of evidence out there. And who's story seems to come at a conviently late time and is full of holes.
also, the police [b]corrected witnesses[/b]. that's literally not something they should ever do
the police are acting like Zimmerman's fucking defense attorney and have fucking lied about shit related to this case.
[QUOTE=MR-X;35304019]Everyone here gave zimmerman a guilty verdict before any real info came out. I doubt that will change, i think everyone wants to hate him so bad so they're going to look for things to nick pick at.[/QUOTE]
Zimmerman was behaving spastic on the 911 call, he ignored directions not to accost the boy, was mumbling some manner of generalising, racist or not, and was obvious he wanted to hassle with this kid. Regardless of who was attacking who, Zimmerman was the aggressor here. Not to mention the entire investigation was just awful.
And I'm surprised no one is pointing out that his story makes no sense even with the 'evidence' that he was attacked first.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;35300411]It seems to me, zimmerman wouldn't be the subject of such national negative attention from the media if he would just up and admit what he did was wrong (he's done that part so far, allegedly, or its just his lawyer trying to make the media more sympathetic) and stop trying to avoid the consequences for his actions. I'll refuse to have any sympathy for the man if he somehow escapes justice, no matter what happens to him. If he'd just plead guilty to murder or manslaughter, he'd be saving himself a lot of trouble and people would hate him a lot less.[/QUOTE]
Guilty until proven innocent.
[QUOTE=Vasili;35304319]He was [B]advised[/B] not to by 911, he was not told not to follow, however the media keep hounding that he was told not to.[/quote]
"Okay we don't need you to do that"
That's pretty fucking clear "don't do it"
[quote]The area he was in suffered from a lot of crime and recently a robbery and a shooting, you can see why Zimmerman was on edge. A few witnesses have claimed they saw Martin on top of Zimmerman hitting him.[/QUOTE]
A few? What "few"?
Seriously, you're just making shit up now,
[editline]26th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;35305910]Guilty until proven innocent.[/QUOTE]
I agree with innocent until proven guilty, but what can people do when the investigation was a colossal mess?
[QUOTE=Lazor;35305826]there's a good reason that witnesses are generally the least reliable form of evidence[/QUOTE]
Well the entire speculation of the case involves witnesses, previously everyone was talking about the 911 witnesses as proof zimmerman was in the wrong but now that there are other witnesses suggesting different - witnesses are now least reliable form of evidence.
the FBI are apparently going to be investigating the case so many they can clear things up.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35305835]lmao, yeah, this is perfectly reasonable. As is the post he quoted which seems like he was agreeing to.
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I don't see how that's racist unless you're confusing thuggish appearance with being black.
Its cases like this that make us gun owners look like absolute retards. No, not everyone who owns a gun is an unstable psycho who shoots kids for fun. This paints all responsible gun owners in a bad light, and it sucks when it happens. You almost never hear stories about how people with a concealed carry permit saved someone's life or stopped a store from being robbed or something, even though stuff like that happens daily.
Reading through this, I'm glad that the majority of you guys aren't ranting and hating on guns.
[QUOTE=Vasili;35306529]
I don't see how that's racist unless you're confusing thuggish appearance with being black.[/QUOTE]
What's your reasoning for him being a drug dealer and looking like a thug?
I'm curious.
the evidence on his facebook about fighting and dealing.
-snip, because, oh yeah, this is an all-liberal forum with absolutely no appreciation for outside ideas. Way to set yourself apart from the conservatives, assholes.-
[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;35307449][url]http://patdollard.com/2012/03/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealing-gangbanger/[/url]
Really all you need to know about Trayvon. There is a fuckload of media bias that he was a "harmless, happy teenager" when he really fits the stereotype for a suburban black kid.[/QUOTE]
please tell us more about the stereotype for a suburban black kid
holy shit that article is the worst, apparently smoking weed and having tattoos automatically grants you membership into a gang.
all the other "evidence" is stupid shit his friends said on his facebook and twitter
[QUOTE=TheTalon;35300276]I heard Anderson Cooper say Hoodies are every-day wear and he wears them all the time (I've never seen it) Trying to say that Hoodies aren't sketchy or suspicious.
Hoodies are damn suspicious. More robberies are committed with them than without. So I'm not going to fault the Neighborhood Watch Captain for thinking so and maybe wanting to check it out. But he's not a police officer, and had no business confronting the guy to begin with. He should've called the police. And now, my ability to conceal carry is going to be under threat in a few months time because of this bullshit, no doubt[/QUOTE]
...Really?
You're going to really say that all of a type of clothing is suspicious and worthy of suspect?
Fucking ridiculous.
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[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;35307449][url]http://patdollard.com/2012/03/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealing-gangbanger/[/url]
Really all you need to know about Trayvon. There is a fuckload of media bias that he was a "harmless, happy teenager" when he really fits the stereotype for a suburban black kid.[/QUOTE]
Wow, that's pretty much the most useless piece of shit of an article I've ever read.
Every fucking sentence of that was heresay, guessing, and stereotyping. And you believe it defacto? Racist sensationalist bullshit.
oh right it's you
[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;35307449][url]http://patdollard.com/2012/03/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealing-gangbanger/[/url]
Really all you need to know about Trayvon. There is a fuckload of media bias that he was a "harmless, happy teenager" when he really fits the stereotype for a suburban black kid.[/QUOTE]
You are pitiful.
[QUOTE=Vasili;35304319]He was [B]advised[/B] not to by 911, he was not told not to follow, however the media keep hounding that he was told not to. The area he was in suffered from a lot of crime and recently a robbery and a shooting, you can see why Zimmerman was on edge. A few witnesses have claimed they saw Martin on top of Zimmerman hitting him.[/QUOTE]So a person is followed around, stalked by some random stranger with no authority or ties to law, made to think he is in imminent danger, he doesn't have the right to defend himself if he thinks this man is going to attack him.
However, someone who 'suspects' a random person just walking through their neighborhood, has a gun and then decides to follow this guy around, probably confronts him in an aggressive or intimidating manner as hes already calling the police to call them in (when he hasn't done anything illegal or indicative that hes done anything wrong in the first place) gets into an altercation (which he started by making this teenager feel like his life was threatened) and he somehow does have the right to defend himself, more-so, he has the right to defend himself by killing the other person (an unarmed teenager half his size) with a gun.
And you want me to believe you're coming about your opinion using reasoning skills and logic.
[editline]26th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;35307449]-snip, because, oh yeah, this is an all-liberal forum with absolutely no appreciation for outside ideas. Way to set yourself apart from the conservatives, assholes.-[/QUOTE]Way to earn those dumb ratings, my friend.
[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;35307449]-snip, because, oh yeah, this is an all-liberal forum with absolutely no appreciation for outside ideas. Way to set yourself apart from the conservatives, assholes.-[/QUOTE]
And to top off the bullshit source, you have a persecution complex. Way t' go, sport.
[QUOTE=SaintHitler;35297416]I have to admit.
If a black guy in a hoodie and said that in a sterotypical angry black persons voice, I would literally shit my pants.
Also some photos from a website.
[IMG]http://tray.site50.net/Trayvon_Martin.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Isn't that Ted Kaczynski's hoodie and glasses that were put up on auction? Out of all the pictures of hoodies that are out there they picked the Unabombers?
[QUOTE=sHiBaN;35295525]The fuck is wrong with people? How do you justify a death of a teenager, dead by a gun shot too mind you[/QUOTE]
how is a gunshot any worse than death by any other means?
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;35311006]how is a gunshot any worse than death by any other means?[/QUOTE]It is worse in the sense that you could be killed by long range and have no means to defend yourself, unless you have a gun yourself. Although I think he was shot at pretty close range in this instance.
[QUOTE=Crash15;35298849]First of all, that "gold teeth" is crowns from the dentist, he may have gotten his teeth done at the dentist, and second of all, that doesn't make you look like a thug. And those angry expressions? This is facebook we are talking about, he is trying to impress his friends. Dude he's about 16 years old, how is he a dealer? What happened to his wallet money? He probably had pocket money he used for his snacks, and spent it all on those snacks.
You are stupid[/QUOTE]
I knew an 18 year old dealer in high school, 16 year old isn't a far stretch.
Well if you really think it matters whether or not he dealt drugs, you're retarded.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;35311035]I knew an 18 year old dealer in high school, 16 year old isn't a far stretch.[/QUOTE]
I knew dealers in middle school so I would say it's not a stretch at all
[QUOTE=Ybbats;35311028]It is worse in the sense that you could be killed by long range and have no means to defend yourself, unless you have a gun yourself. Although I think he was shot at pretty close range in this instance.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather die by gunshot than by stabbing or getting beat to death or even of some natural means like cancer or heart attack or something. Gunshot wound is pretty close to the top of the list of alright ways to die, right behind "of old age in your sleep" and "sacrificing yourself for the fate of mankind"
It's a lot easier to say that when you're not at risk of getting shot.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;35311202]It's a lot easier to say that when you're not at risk of getting shot.[/QUOTE]
I'm also not at risk of getting stabbed, beat to death, or having cancer or a heart attack.
I've seen all sorts of ways to die, getting stabbed will take ages to kill you and you're more likely to die of infection than the actual wound, getting beat will take even longer and you're most likely to die of internal bleeding a day later, cancer is a battle you fight for 10 years at a time and once you do defeat it it tends to just come back eventually, and a fatal heart attack is immensely painful and takes at least a few hours to kill you
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;35311286]I'm also not at risk of getting stabbed, beat to death, or having cancer or a heart attack.
I've seen all sorts of ways to die, getting stabbed will take ages to kill you and you're more likely to die of infection than the actual wound, getting beat will take even longer and you're most likely to die of internal bleeding a day later, cancer is a battle you fight for 10 years at a time and once you do defeat it it tends to just come back eventually, and a fatal heart attack is immensely painful and takes at least a few hours to kill you[/QUOTE]well theres probably a million ways to die worse or better than getting shot, it really doesn't matter individually. But having your life taken from you for someone elses actions or decisions is kind of a 'bummer' so I think theres those of us who prefer not to be murdered.
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