• Police In Wisconsin Are Asking Residents To Volunteer To Have Their Homes Searched For Guns
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[QUOTE=Jodern;46669386]I don't see what's so wrong about them asking, but it's not gonna make any difference. It's not like any criminals would actually accept[/QUOTE] Criminals are stupid. If they were smart we wouldnt have criminals.
I swear, you Americans get butthurt over such small things like tracking and making sure guns are placed in responsible locations, but no one gives a shit that your lands are getting fucked by oil spills, fracking, hurricanes, gang violence, drugs, bad education, rise of radical christians, laws against voter rights, laws against womens rights, laws against privacy, lobbying in politics, obvious corruption, obvious bribery through PACs, GOPs radical views, wars, bank corruption, social education, kindness, tuition fees, police corruption, corporate lobbying, wars, Palestine, Israel, racism, civil rights. Do you people even care about things that matter anymore ? Is it really about "OH NO ! MY GUNS ! DON'T TAKE MY GUNS THAT I MIGHT HAVE MISPLACED ! EVEN IF WE ARE RESPONSIBLE ABOUT THEM !" I wouldn't give a gun to anyone with that kind of retort about this situation.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46669811]Criminals are stupid. If they were smart we wouldnt have criminals.[/QUOTE] You're a police officer right? Would someone saying no to this set off alarms in your head?
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46669826]You're a police officer right? Would someone saying no to this set off alarms in your head?[/QUOTE] Not for me. I dont want people going through my personal belongings, so I see where they wouldnt want the same
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;46669815]I swear, you Americans get butthurt over such small things like tracking and making sure guns are placed in responsible locations, but no one gives a shit that your lands are getting fucked by oil spills, fracking, hurricanes, gang violence, drugs, bad education, rise of radical christians, laws against voter rights, laws against womens rights, laws against privacy, lobbying in politics, obvious corruption, obvious bribery through PACs, GOPs radical views, wars, bank corruption, social education, kindness, tuition fees, police corruption, corporate lobbying, wars, Palestine, Israel, racism, civil rights. Do you people even care about things that matter anymore ? Is it really about "OH NO ! MY GUNS ! DON'T TAKE MY GUNS THAT I MIGHT HAVE MISPLACED ! EVEN IF WE ARE RESPONSIBLE ABOUT THEM !" I wouldn't give a gun to anyone with that kind of retort about this situation.[/QUOTE] you seem more butthurt about it than the American posters in this thread [quote] I swear, you Americans get butthurt over such small things like tracking and making sure guns are placed in responsible locations[/quote] all we have to do it look to our neighbors to the north and the Aussies, and we have reason to be averse to gun tracking. [editline]e[/editline] also way to massively generalize with that list there, because actually do care about the vast majority of those things (apart from hurricanes, because I dont live in an area effected by them), why, as a gun owner, should I not be concerned about gun related issues??
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46669850]you seem more butthurt about it than the American posters in this thread[/QUOTE] Oh, look, i am pointing out things that MATTER. I must be so butthurt. Every time i hear something about guns and America, I will always see people scream "MY GUNS." I find it sad.
What's Canada doing wrong with gun tracking? I don't know what they're doing.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;46669869]Oh, look, i am pointing out things that MATTER. I must be so butthurt. Every time i hear something about guns and America, I will always see people scream "MY GUNS." I find it sad.[/QUOTE] I own guns, should I not care about things that effect me?
"no" and they leave, and I go on with my life
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46669878]What's Canada doing wrong with gun tracking? I don't know what they're doing.[/QUOTE] They used the gun tracking system as a means to confiscate "scary illegul assalt weapons!!" when a ban rolled around.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46669891]I own guns, should I not care about things that effect me?[/QUOTE] Did I imply you don't care ?
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46669912]They used the gun tracking system as a means to confiscate "scary illegul assalt weapons!!" when a ban rolled around.[/QUOTE] Ok I don't see anything wrong with this. Like can you tell me what these assault weapons are because right now I don't know your standards of "illegul assault weapons!!"
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46669493]Good thing that they're [B]ASKING[/B] you to let them search, then. Y'know, you can just say "No, I won't let you", and they won't bother you about it? Can you read or something? It's literally in the first line of the OP[/QUOTE] Yeah, I read that, and that's my response to their question. "Get a warrant or fuck off" is my response to 'We think there might be a gun in your house, but you've committed no crime. Can we search for it anyway?'. I take my right to refuse unreasonable searches seriously and will exercise it. YOU need to learn to read.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46669929]Ok I don't see anything wrong with this. Like can you tell me what these assault weapons are because right now I don't know your standards of "illegul assault weapons!!"[/QUOTE] Im sure a fellow canadian could give you more specific details, but you dont see anything wrong with taking an otherwise stable and law abiding individuals property for no reason? Im not gonna go on a shooting spree, it hardly seems fair that my property get confiscated because someone did.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46669929]Ok I don't see anything wrong with this. Like can you tell me what these assault weapons are because right now I don't know your standards of "illegul assault weapons!!"[/QUOTE] Semi-automatic firearm[5] fires one bullet (round) per trigger pull, unlike automatic (military) firearms, which fire multiple rounds per pull[23] Detachable magazine with capacity greater than 10 rounds[5] Folding or telescoping (collapsible) stock,[5] reduces the overall length of the firearm[45] Pistol grip (on rifle or shotgun)[5] Bayonet lug[5] allows the mounting of a bayonet Threaded barrel to accept devices such as a flash suppressor, Suppressor,[5] compensator or muzzle brake Grenade launcher[5] Barrel shroud - safety device to prevent burning of shooter's arm or hand.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46669493]Good thing that they're [B]ASKING[/B] you to let them search, then. Y'know, you can just say "No, I won't let you", and they won't bother you about it? Can you read or something? It's literally in the first line of the OP[/QUOTE] People are being asked to do something which is pretty clearly not in their favor for numerous well-documented reasons. That's pressure. A small amount none the less, but it's pressure. This opens the door to something above and beyond mere asking, that is, bullshit like "Why, do you have anything to hide?" and coercion tactics.
So I guess people here don't give a shit about their rights, as long as they have video games to keep them numbed.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;46669388]Holy shit, they are just registering guns. It's the same as registering cars so they can keep track.[/QUOTE] You say that like keeping track of firearms is a [i]bad[/i] thing.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;46669978]People are being asked to do something which is pretty clearly not in their favor for numerous well-documented reasons. That's pressure. A small amount none the less, but it's pressure. This opens the door to something above and beyond mere asking, that is, bullshit like "Why, do you have anything to hide?" and coercion tactics.[/QUOTE] This, if you refuse all of a sudden you look suspicious in the eyes of a cop. They're going to wonder why you don't want to consent to something that your neighbors have and is so innocent.
[QUOTE=bravehat;46669983]You say that like keeping track of firearms is a [i]bad[/i] thing.[/QUOTE] Big difference of "Holy shit, they are registering guns" and "Holy shit, they are just registering guns" That [B]JUST[/B] gives the sentence a "They are only (verbs)" idea.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46669964]Im sure a fellow canadian could give you more specific details, but you dont see anything wrong with taking an otherwise stable and law abiding individuals property for no reason? Im not gonna go on a shooting spree, it hardly seems fair that my property get confiscated because someone did.[/QUOTE] Unless they provide compensation and it's more than reasonable then I guess it's okay. Yeah it seems like bullshit but there isn't anything else anyone could do. It's hard to prevent something like this from happening so the government needs to take away guns that are deemed unnecessary.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;46670001]Big difference of "Holy shit, they are registering guns" and "Holy shit, they are just registering guns" That [B]JUST[/B] gives the sentence a "They are only (verbs)" idea.[/QUOTE] Aw shit yeah sorry, my bad.
[QUOTE=TestECull;46669963]Yeah, I read that, and that's my response to their question. "Get a warrant or fuck off" is my response to 'We think there might be a gun in your house, but you've committed no crime. Can we search for it anyway?'. I take my right to refuse unreasonable searches seriously and will exercise it. YOU need to learn to read.[/QUOTE] Would not recommend telling them this. A simple no would be enough. Telling them to get a "warrant or fuck off" may lead them to get a warrant and you fucking off.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;46669927]Did I imply you don't care ?[/QUOTE] no but you implied did that I shouldn't care.
[QUOTE=TestECull;46669963]Yeah, I read that, and that's my response to their question. "Get a warrant or fuck off" is my response to 'We think there might be a gun in your house, but you've committed no crime. Can we search for it anyway?'. I take my right to refuse unreasonable searches seriously and will exercise it. YOU need to learn to read.[/QUOTE] No, please do that. I'm really interested in seeing how well you telling police offers politely requesting something to "fuck off" goes for you. That wont raise suspicions at all or anything clearly. One day your stupendous conservatism is actually going to backfire on you, there's no need to be such a gratuitous cunt to people because "muh rights" or whatever. You can still "protect" (from a optional, voluntary search lmao) these rights without being an asshole.
"guns are like ebola" i cant tell whats real or the onion anymore
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;46669815]I swear, you Americans get butthurt over such small things like tracking and making sure guns are placed in responsible locations, but no one gives a shit that your lands are getting fucked by oil spills, fracking, hurricanes, gang violence, drugs, bad education, rise of radical christians, laws against voter rights, laws against womens rights, laws against privacy, lobbying in politics, obvious corruption, obvious bribery through PACs, GOPs radical views, wars, bank corruption, social education, kindness, tuition fees, police corruption, corporate lobbying, wars, Palestine, Israel, racism, civil rights. Do you people even care about things that matter anymore ? Is it really about "OH NO ! MY GUNS ! DON'T TAKE MY GUNS THAT I MIGHT HAVE MISPLACED ! EVEN IF WE ARE RESPONSIBLE ABOUT THEM !" I wouldn't give a gun to anyone with that kind of retort about this situation.[/QUOTE] i'm rarely on the pro-second amendment side, but cops trowling houses just to find illegal guns instead of maybe doing this to see an owner's guns to identify possible safety risks, and recomend precautions that they can take. this seems like a massive waste of resources, and not really what the cops should be focused on. community outreach and education is one thing but going door to door looking for guns to confiscate is another thing all together [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=TestECull;46669963]Yeah, I read that, and that's my response to their question. "Get a warrant or fuck off" is my response to 'We think there might be a gun in your house, but you've committed no crime. Can we search for it anyway?'. I take my right to refuse unreasonable searches seriously and will exercise it. YOU need to learn to read.[/QUOTE] takes them like an hour to come back with a warrant, and some judges are probably liable to grant a warrant for someone who denies cops entry especially if they can come up with some other circumstantial evidence to suggest that maybe there might be something illegal there
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46669561]Ruby Ridge and the Morgan Minutemen... Need I say more?[/QUOTE] Ruby Ridge, from my overview of it, was a tragedy of errors, both man-made and situational. The people were suspicious, yes, but they hadn't done anything that warranted the treatment they got. The Feds were clearly in the wrong for pushing their investigation as far as they did, but for the early part of the case, it was mostly he-said, she-said bullshit with the family denying any and all claims that were filed against them. That in and of itself seems suspicious, especially with the number of claims that were filed against them. There are way to many oddities with the family and an obvious want from the government to find fault with them for me to understand why exactly this case ended up the way that it did, but I feel comfortable calling this an outlier amongst gun control cases. As for the morgan minutemen, I wasn't able to find any information.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;46669978]People are being asked to do something which is pretty clearly not in their favor for numerous well-documented reasons. That's pressure. A small amount none the less, but it's pressure. This opens the door to something above and beyond mere asking, that is, bullshit like "Why, do you have anything to hide?" and coercion tactics.[/QUOTE] Maybe if you're a paranoid wreck. Being a well adjusted person though, I'm not in eternal fear of the police for no reason.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46670887]Maybe if you're a paranoid wreck. Being a well adjusted person though, I'm not in eternal fear of the police for no reason.[/QUOTE] People are coerced into consenting to invasions of privacy by the police every day. It's a really shitty situation, and this shit in Wisconsin is only contributing to that. I'm not arguing this for the sake of criminals or paranoiacs.
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