Police In Wisconsin Are Asking Residents To Volunteer To Have Their Homes Searched For Guns
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[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46670017]Unless they provide compensation and it's more than reasonable then I guess it's okay.[/QUOTE] They don't, buy-backs are always a couple hundred dollars for weapons that cost a few hundred dollars at best, or are priceless or rare pieces of history at worst.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;46671254]They don't, buy-backs are always a couple hundred dollars for weapons that cost a few hundred dollars at best, or are priceless or [B]rare pieces of history at worst[/B].[/QUOTE]
This is why I'm glad that Arizona and a few other states outlawed gunbuybacks that are intent on the destruction of firearms, and instead they are sold off to gundealers in auctions. Ya know... How it should be done.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;46671254]They don't, buy-backs are always a couple hundred dollars for weapons that cost a few hundred dollars at best, or are priceless or rare pieces of history at worst.[/QUOTE]
Most buybacks give out gift cards to like Jewel, Wal-Mart, or some grocery store. This is what the Milwaukee buyback was offering in gift cards a few months ago.
$50 for rifles/shotguns.
$100 for handguns.
$200 for "assault weapons."
Most of the guns being turned in are old/broken rifles and shotguns. This is why buybacks don't work. The worst part is when historical guns are turned in they get destroyed which is fucking bullshit.
Sure, we'll start with the mayors mansion, then the county legislature, police force..first.
Hide a bunch of water guns all over the house, then volunteer :)
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Un-loaded, of course.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46669929]Ok I don't see anything wrong with this. Like can you tell me what these assault weapons are because right now I don't know your standards of "illegul assault weapons!!"[/QUOTE]
Several firearms previously legal in the country were reclassified arbitrarily by the RCMP, not parliament, and thus deemed illegal. These were guns that were already once approved for sale and import into the country, and without any further action from parliament. These included, at the time of the registry, the Armi-Jager AP-80, the Walther G22 (both of which were .22 calibre rifles), and the Norinco T97A. More recently, the RCMP tried to reclassify over 10,000 guns (CZ 858 and the Swiss Arms Classic Green) that have been in the country since at least 2006, but since the registry is dead, they can't confiscate these guns that were legal not 6 months ago, so the government is passing a law to unban them since the RCMP is being a shit.
Then there's the fact that the gun registry we used cost $2 billion dollars, when we were promised costs would not exceed, over its lifetime, $2 million, and it accomplished absolutely nothing in the 17 years it was around. We wasted $2 billion to prove to the world that gun registration has absolutely no benefit.
[editline]8th December 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;46670135]No, please do that. I'm really interested in seeing how well you telling police offers politely requesting something to "fuck off" goes for you. That wont raise suspicions at all or anything clearly.
One day your stupendous conservatism is actually going to backfire on you, there's no need to be such a gratuitous cunt to people because "muh rights" or whatever. You can still "protect" (from a optional, voluntary search lmao) these rights without being an asshole.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't tell them to "fuck off," but I'd certainly tell them, even here, that if they think I've done something illegal that warrants a search of my property that they can go before a judge and get a warrant before they're setting foot in my house.
[QUOTE=Megadave;46669667]Good thing we have this thing called the constitution, that grants us the right to our guns. The moment you start taking guns away from honest people, the whole goddamn structure will collapse.[/QUOTE]
You have that backwards. The constitution is a prescriptive document that only tell the government what it CAN do. Everything not listed is automatically reserved by the people. The bill of rights was argued as being completely unnecessary because of that. They decided ultimately to be better safe than sorry and explicitly lay out some components which couldn't be infringed upon no matter how many legal gymnastics were performed.
The constitution doesn't grant shit. It is a document from the people telling the government what it can do.
It seems a subtle difference, but we've sorta lost control of our own government because we forget that we control the government. It doesn't exist without the people.
[editline]8th December 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=bravehat;46669983]You say that like keeping track of firearms is a [i]bad[/i] thing.[/QUOTE]
Given that we retain the right to own firearms so we can shoot guardsmen, yes, keeping track of firearms would be against the entire point of the second amendment. Whether or not you agree with the notion behind the amendment is irrelevant, as that is why the amendment exists.
Also gun registries don't work for shit.
[QUOTE=Minimal;46669372][url]http://www.wpr.org/beloit-police-ask-residents-volunteer-have-their-homes-searched-guns[/url]
This article is so wrong on many levels. This pisses me off to no extent. The police have no right to ask you to search your home for guns, [I]Even guns you "think" you dont own.[/I]
Also comparing gun violence to ebola is stupid as well.[/QUOTE]
It's voluntary...
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46671576]I wouldn't tell them to "fuck off," but I'd certainly tell them, even here, that if they think I've done something illegal that warrants a search of my property that they can go before a judge and get a warrant before they're setting foot in my house.[/QUOTE]
But there's no assumption you're doing anything illegal? There's no need to be a paranoid fucker and assume the police are asking you this because they think you're hiding something. They're asking everybody, not singling people out. If the police ask the entire city "hey, we're doing X, if you want in do just say, we'll sort it all out" there's no reason to get all uppity and start shouting about how they need a warrant or anything. Just don't speak up at all, after all, it's entirely voluntary.
And even if they were going door to door asking, just say "no, I'm good thanks". Going on about needing a warrant is another great way to raise suspicions, a close second to telling them to "fuck off". Only bring up warrants if they're insisting on coming in (they wont be so just don't mention them).
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;46669815]I swear, you Americans get butthurt over such small things like tracking and making sure guns are placed in responsible locations, but no one gives a shit that your lands are getting fucked by oil spills, fracking, hurricanes, gang violence, drugs, bad education, rise of radical christians, laws against voter rights, laws against womens rights, laws against privacy, lobbying in politics, obvious corruption, obvious bribery through PACs, GOPs radical views, wars, bank corruption, social education, kindness, tuition fees, police corruption, corporate lobbying, wars, Palestine, Israel, racism, civil rights.
Do you people even care about things that matter anymore ? Is it really about "OH NO ! MY GUNS ! DON'T TAKE MY GUNS THAT I MIGHT HAVE MISPLACED ! EVEN IF WE ARE RESPONSIBLE ABOUT THEM !" I wouldn't give a gun to anyone with that kind of retort about this situation.[/QUOTE]
hey
guess what the average american individual (ie the kinds being targeted with this) can do about most of those things? nothing. you're irresponsibly detracting at the issue at hand here, especially in a way that has virtually no relation the to the context here. when you come at people on an INDIVIDUAL level and try to affect their lives in objective ways, obviously they are going to care more than they would about an abstract concept that has little effect on their day-to-day life.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;46672175]But there's no assumption you're doing anything illegal? There's no need to be a paranoid fucker and assume the police are asking you this because they think you're hiding something. They're asking everybody, not singling people out. If the police ask the entire city "hey, we're doing X, if you want in do just say, we'll sort it all out" there's no reason to get all uppity and start shouting about how they need a warrant or anything. Just don't speak up at all, after all, it's entirely voluntary.
And even if they were going door to door asking, just say "no, I'm good thanks". Going on about needing a warrant is another great way to raise suspicions, a close second to telling them to "fuck off". Only bring up warrants if they're insisting on coming in (they wont be so just don't mention them).[/QUOTE]
In this country, they find something to charge you with. Just by owning a gun they assume you're doing something illegal. The cops are no friends of gun owners. A guy shot at people firebombing his house, they charged him with unsafe storage. The cops don't know the law, and they have a "charge them and let the courts sort it out" mentality. Inviting them into your house is inviting unwarranted charges against yourself and submitting yourself to a several-year-long court battle to prove you did nothing wrong, as well as several tens of thousands of dollars of debt.
And yes, that sounds paranoid, it's not. I can't be bothered to find every news article about someone being charged when they've done nothing wrong, but since getting involved in this, I've seen far too many reports of exactly that, someone who broke no law being charged because the cops don't give a shit.
There was also a recording of an inspection the cops did on a downtown Toronto apartment, where they began threatening the guy and saying "you're now on our priority watch list, you know" because he didn't have any magazines for his guns in his apartment, they were somewhere else.
Found the news report:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltncziv8AzQ[/media]
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;46669815]I swear, you Americans get butthurt over such small things like tracking and making sure guns are placed in responsible locations, but no one gives a shit that your lands are getting fucked by oil spills, fracking, hurricanes, gang violence, drugs, bad education, rise of radical christians, laws against voter rights, laws against womens rights, laws against privacy, lobbying in politics, obvious corruption, obvious bribery through PACs, GOPs radical views, wars, bank corruption, social education, kindness, tuition fees, police corruption, corporate lobbying, wars, Palestine, Israel, racism, civil rights.
Do you people even care about things that matter anymore ? Is it really about "OH NO ! MY GUNS ! DON'T TAKE MY GUNS THAT I MIGHT HAVE MISPLACED ! EVEN IF WE ARE RESPONSIBLE ABOUT THEM !" I wouldn't give a gun to anyone with that kind of retort about this situation.[/QUOTE]
I kno rite fucking amerifat gun nuts retards amirite
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46669493]Good thing that they're [B]ASKING[/B] you to let them search, then. Y'know, you can just say "No, I won't let you", and they won't bother you about it? Can you read or something? It's literally in the first line of the OP[/QUOTE]
except the fact that if you say no you become suspicious and probably will search your home anyway at a later date with a warrent because you said no. Thing about stuff like this in america is that everyone has the mentality 'if you have nothing to hide then don't refuse'. personally it bothers me because i don't like the sanctity of my home being violated by law enforcement for a dumbass reason.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46669470]Australia calls, something like 100,000 rifles were forcefully turned in with threat of being arrested.
In short, fuck no.[/QUOTE]
I've never had to worry about a massacre happening every time I walk into a shopping center/uni/school so I'd say it was worth it.
[QUOTE=mokkan;46674118]I've never had to worry about a massacre happening every time I walk into a shopping center/uni/school so I'd say it was worth it.[/QUOTE]
Neither have I. The same way I don't worry about taking a shower, despite being many orders of magnitude more likely to meet my death as a result of a bathroom accident than a mass shooting. I also don't worry about the drive to the shopping center, again despite being far more likely to be lethal.
I'm sorry officer, I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident....[I]wipes away tear[/I]
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46669518]if I were in the police officers shoes, and someone didn't consent to a voluntary search, that would raise a red flag in my head.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't consent to any searches without a warrant, waste of my fucking time.
[editline]9th December 2014[/editline]
also people fucking with your shit
[QUOTE=Cornish;46670152]"guns are like ebola"
i cant tell whats real or the onion anymore[/QUOTE]
both end up in blood being bled out so.. IDK
[QUOTE=confinedUser;46673614]except the fact that if you say no you become suspicious and probably will search your home anyway at a later date with a warrent because you said no. Thing about stuff like this in america is that everyone has the mentality 'if you have nothing to hide then don't refuse'. personally it bothers me because i don't like the sanctity of my home being violated by law enforcement for a dumbass reason.[/QUOTE]
I don't see why so many people are saying this. There's a ton of people who are going to say no to this. You know how many are going to result in police trying to get a warrant? Those that the police already suspected of a crime. And simply turning down a search like this wouldn't result in a search anyways because unless the cops have a damn good reason for it the courts are going to tell them to stop wasting their time when they come asking for a search warrant.
[QUOTE=mokkan;46674118]I've never had to worry about a massacre happening every time I walk into a shopping center/uni/school so I'd say it was worth it.[/QUOTE]
This must be the new view on America, huh.
It doesnt happen. You're better off getting killed in your vehicle driving to school/shopping center than you are to die by a gunman at said place.
The same goes for police shootings. They dont fucking happen often at all. The odds of it happening to you is less than 1%.
Our media is to blame for all this. Irrational fears.
[QUOTE=mokkan;46674118]I've never had to worry about a massacre happening every time I walk into a shopping center/uni/school so I'd say it was worth it.[/QUOTE]
yeah its pretty rough over here, I get massacred several times daily. Mostly on my way to work as cowboy/cheeseburger and freedom salesman.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46675322]yeah its pretty rough over here, I get massacred several times daily. Mostly on my way to work as cowboy/cheeseburger and freedom salesman.[/QUOTE]
I'm forced to dodge gunfire constantly on my way to the F-16 factory every morning. I'm considering only stopping at McDonalds for [i]two[/i] meals a day.
[QUOTE=TestECull;46669963]Yeah, I read that, and that's my response to their question. "Get a warrant or fuck off" is my response to 'We think there might be a gun in your house, but you've committed no crime. Can we search for it anyway?'. I take my right to refuse unreasonable searches seriously and will exercise it.
YOU need to learn to read.[/QUOTE]
lol what you're saying makes no sense, of course they have the right to search your home if you literally let them (and you said they don't); stop trying to turn this around on starlight, you made a mistake, deal with it
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