• "This is What Democracy Looks Like" - Protestors Occupy Police Headquarters in St. Louis
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[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46833694]Storming a police station in an attempt to take it over is literally the worst idea for gaining and keeping any amount of credibility. Like this they just look like crazy people (and I would say it is pretty damn crazy to think they can do that). They need to protest outside government buildings, Courthouses, police stations, places that matter. Storming one is not protesting, it's attacking.[/QUOTE] Ha, "attacking". What were they armed with? Fake printed out eviction notices? They didn't take over anything. They knew they would be arrested and that's exactly what happened. There was a whole crowd of people outside that didn't go in. Cry about people "taking over" a police station when they storm it with AKs and kill everyone like in Pakistan a few years ago.
Get a job.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46833726]How many lanes can a road have before BANNED USER won't let people protest there anymore[/QUOTE] One. You don't protest on the street- you protest on the edge. To protest on the street is stupid. At best you're blocking traffic and at worst you're causing traffic accidents. To simplify- your right to protest does not mean my life gets to be made hell. You can't shut down vital public services. You can't seize private property. There's even a simple permit process involved to protest (in most areas).
This is going to start trending on Tumblr or Twitter, with people inevitably crying about "poliz brutalitie #RIPMikeBrown."
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46833474]When they were protesting on the street weren't you complaining about them blocking the street[/QUOTE] Well Beardy already covered my reasoning the last time I mentioned it, but as of this event since the protest started [i]outside[/i] the station they were initially well within their rights. However, rushing the doors was stupid and makes their cause look less valid to the general public. It's fine to be upset and angry but to have a violent outburst won't help anybody. Besides, there's far better people to use than Brown to justify your protest anyway. [QUOTE=Code3Response;46833736]I'm surprised people stopped for the protesters. Just keep on driving if they're trying to take it. They have no business on that highway.[/QUOTE] Actually, people were run over in some intersection if I remember right. Problem is, protesters wouldn't let them turn around or go around and would hit cars if they tried, resulting in people freaking the fuck out and punching the gas. Straight into fight or flight mode for some people when placed in a stressful situation, so in some cases yes protests in the street are not safe for those involved. Protesting in front of the people you have a problem with is definitely the right way to draw attention safely, but doing it on a highway or a cities main intersection is usually an unsafe and generally bad idea from a historical standpoint. [QUOTE=H8Entitlement;46833930]One. You don't protest on the street- you protest on the edge. To protest on the street is stupid. At best you're blocking traffic and at worst you're causing traffic accidents. To simplify- your right to protest does not mean my life gets to be made hell. You can't shut down vital public services. You can't seize private property. There's even a simple permit process involved to protest (in most areas).[/QUOTE] Moving protests are a viable option, walking down both sides of a street and bringing people along with you would be a good way to do things, especially if you set the final destination as whatever it is you're protesting, in this case the St. Louis PD. Just need to make sure dicks don't break shit along the way for the sake of breaking things.
I understand the point of protesting on a highway (even though I don't agree with it one bit), cause disruption to get more attention to your cause. But why is it such a big deal when people inconvenienced by this (which is the whole point of protesting on the highway to begin with) actually lash out on the protesters. As much as you have the right to protest (and whether you have the right to do so on a highway is another matter entirely) I have the right to hate you and whatever cause you are supporting simply out of spite since you are ruining my day and making my life worse. Even if your cause is 100% legitimate and logical I don't have to give two shits about it, especially if it directly fucks up my life.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46833684]That's pretty much the point. Everyone in this thread wants the protesters to go away so they can reassure themselves that our entire justice system is not, in fact, a systemically racist shitshow of unaccountable violence. Shitting on protesters for fighting for their right not to be shot by police for being black is a hell of a lot easier than dealing with the reality of how fucked our justice system is. [editline]1st January 2015[/editline] There are not enough boxes in the known universe for you.[/QUOTE] Think a lot of people are getting tired of this shit because there's no grey area for these protestors anymore. People just assume 100% of the police force are corrupt and it's not helping anything. Most of them don't want this fire going out they just want a reason to lash out and have an untouchable moral high-ground. Support the ones that do good and phase out the bad ones, you can't just keep slamming the entire force for something individuals can be held accountable for. Protesting where you're guaranteed to get shifted and arrested instantly is just retarded. It gets attention for a whopping 1 hour and then you're gone VS larger scale protests in public areas which can go on for ages.
But its the entire force that hires the bad ones, there is shared responsibility
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;46837306]But its the entire force that hires the bad ones, there is shared responsibility[/QUOTE] Not throughout the entirety of the organization. When it comes to police corruption the first one responsible is the officer themself, second to that are any coconspirators which they may or may not have had, the only other people who can potentially be held at fault are the commanding officers and the internal affairs division, as dealing with corruption is their responsibility. And even then the presence of corruption doesn't prove failure on the part of the commanders or IA, as their responsibility lies in appropriately punishing those officers, as such they've only failed when a corrupt officer is able to continue working without repercussions (something that the lynch mobs have already ensured wouldn't happen here).
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;46837306]But its the entire force that hires the bad ones, there is shared responsibility[/QUOTE] explain
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46837508]explain[/QUOTE] Which part?
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46833684]That's pretty much the point. Everyone in this thread wants the protesters to go away so they can reassure themselves that our entire justice system is not, in fact, a systemically racist shitshow of unaccountable violence. Shitting on protesters for fighting for their right not to be shot by police for being black is a hell of a lot easier than dealing with the reality of how fucked our justice system is. [editline]1st January 2015[/editline] There are not enough boxes in the known universe for you.[/QUOTE] Do you have any knowledge of how the system works? I do. I have every right as an American to say what I did. You threw the racist card when it wasn't necessary. Wilson wasn't racist, nor was the cop who shot the black guy who pointed a firearm at him a few weeks ago. Black crime is much higher than others, and that is a true statement. Did i demonize blacks? Hell no! I know a fuckload of blacks who agree with me, who grew up in the hood, I went to school with people who had been part of that statistic. There is a culture in these poorer areas, it breeds black on black violence, and no one has the balls to do anything about it. These protesters instead of wanting to fix that, want to make it worse. This wouldn't be an issue if people who fix the ghettos, if cities would fund projects to help it, and maybe if the idols the young blacks in these areas would quit glorifying this shit. The people who rap about crime and shit make money off glorifying illegal acts, which continues a cycle of worsening black on black crime. You wanna talk about not enough boxes for me? That should be towards you buddy boy.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;46837528]Which part?[/QUOTE] How the entire forces hires them
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46837559]How the entire forces hires them[/QUOTE] I mean the force as an organisation is responsible, not just individuals. [editline]1st January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Pilot1215;46837547]Do you have any knowledge of how the system works? I do. I have every right as an American to say what I did. You threw the racist card when it wasn't necessary. Wilson wasn't racist, nor was the cop who shot the black guy who pointed a firearm at him a few weeks ago. Black crime is much higher than others, and that is a true statement. Did i demonize blacks? Hell no! I know a fuckload of blacks who agree with me, who grew up in the hood, I went to school with people who had been part of that statistic. There is a culture in these poorer areas, it breeds black on black violence, and no one has the balls to do anything about it. These protesters instead of wanting to fix that, want to make it worse. This wouldn't be an issue if people who fix the ghettos, if cities would fund projects to help it, and maybe if the idols the young blacks in these areas would quit glorifying this shit. The people who rap about crime and shit make money off glorifying illegal acts, which continues a cycle of worsening black on black crime. You wanna talk about not enough boxes for me? That should be towards you buddy boy.[/QUOTE] It's not the individuals who are necissarilly racist, bit the system itself for example: "5 times as many Whites are using drugs as African Americans, yet African Americans are sent to prison for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of Whites" (NAACP)
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;46837578]I mean the force as an organisation is responsible, not just individuals. [editline]1st January 2015[/editline] It's not the individuals who are necissarilly racist, bit the system itself for example: "5 times as many Whites are using drugs as African Americans, yet African Americans are sent to prison for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of Whites" (NAACP)[/QUOTE] "drug offenses" seems like a very vague term. I would think it could refer to anything from having drug paraphernalia, using drugs, to selling drugs, transporting drugs, producing drugs, etc... Also, from what I can gather from where you quoted from, the ratio is from a survey of some sort. So, it isn't necessarily that whites are being caught more but let go. There's also other factors, such as other charges that the persons in question are in prison for as well. Are all of these people in prison just for drug offences, or where some of those cases in addition to other charges (perhaps more serious charges that drew attention)? Now, I wouldn't be surprised if some of that gap is racially motivated, but I don't see the entire gap being purely due to racism.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;46837578]I mean the force as an organisation is responsible, not just individuals. [/QUOTE] Yeah but that's the issue no ones trying to focus on the higher ups or the poisonous individuals lower down they're just lashing out at anyone on the force that happens to be there. You wake up one morning, find out someone you worked closely with is implicated in a high profile case like this and all of a sudden you are somehow also responsible for that individuals actions. Being called coward and child killer purely because of mild association is not an easy thing to deal with but who cares if the person saying that shit has moral high ground and can get away with saying that stuff?
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;46834011]Well Beardy already covered my reasoning the last time I mentioned it, but as of this event since the protest started [i]outside[/i] the station they were initially well within their rights. However, rushing the doors was stupid and makes their cause look less valid to the general public. It's fine to be upset and angry but to have a violent outburst won't help anybody.[/quote] I don't think anyone agrees that breaking into a police station is a good course of action but it's a hell of a lot better than doing it in a mall or other private property. Their beef is with the cops, so protesting at the police station is the best place to do it. [QUOTE=BANNED USER;46834011]Besides, there's far better people to use than Brown to justify your protest anyway.[/QUOTE] Now you're just belittling what the protests are about. [QUOTE=Code3Response;46833736]I'm surprised people stopped for the protesters. Just keep on driving if they're trying to take it. They have no business on that highway.[/QUOTE] You realize you just advocated murder right? It's fine to not like protesters but having little violent fantasies about running them over is psychotic
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46839245] Now you're just belittling what the protests are about. [/QUOTE] These protesters have proven over and over again that they'll devolve into violence almost every time they get together, I don't have to belittle or devalue their protest since they do that well enough by themselves. Besides, Brown is not a very good poster boy for anti police brutality or racial violence, considering Brown was not a victim of any of these things.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46839245]I don't think anyone agrees that breaking into a police station is a good course of action but it's a hell of a lot better than doing it in a mall or other private property. Their beef is with the cops, so protesting at the police station is the best place to do it.[/QUOTE] If you protest in a mall you don't prevent the police from maintaining peace. What do you think would happen if someone died because the police couldn't reach a scene due to being blockaded? That's as retarded as storming a fire station.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46833736]I'm surprised people stopped for the protesters. Just keep on driving if they're trying to take it. They have no business on that highway.[/QUOTE] i know it's almost as if normal people don't fantasize about plowing their cars directly into dozens of protesters and going to prison for life! haven't these people read my satirical forum post about the brown shooting!? they have NO EXCUSE not to know the facts on this one, boy howdy!
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;46837547]Do you have any knowledge of how the system works? I do. I have every right as an American to say what I did. You threw the racist card when it wasn't necessary. Wilson wasn't racist, nor was the cop who shot the black guy who pointed a firearm at him a few weeks ago. Black crime is much higher than others, and that is a true statement. Did i demonize blacks? Hell no! I know a fuckload of blacks who agree with me, who grew up in the hood, I went to school with people who had been part of that statistic. There is a culture in these poorer areas, it breeds black on black violence, and no one has the balls to do anything about it. These protesters instead of wanting to fix that, want to make it worse. This wouldn't be an issue if people who fix the ghettos, if cities would fund projects to help it, and maybe if the idols the young blacks in these areas would quit glorifying this shit. The people who rap about crime and shit make money off glorifying illegal acts, which continues a cycle of worsening black on black crime. You wanna talk about not enough boxes for me? That should be towards you buddy boy.[/QUOTE]First question how come black on black crime is something but white on white isn't, that's just straight out bullshit. Black on black crime is a idiotic thing to say same thing with white on white crime. But I agree with you about the culture thats been going on for the past 30 years is fucked up. I mean people are idolising rappers that rap about killing, stealing,taking drugs and stuff like that. Now about the black crime rate being higher is most because of alot of black people live in poverty and that many of the black celebrities are as you said glorifying it. First step to fix this problem would be stop giving people who rap about shit fame. Celebrities have really huge impact on society and as you said fund projects to help the ghettos and cities where poverty is high.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;46832942]Your house, 11pm to ??? Oh wait right I know that it's stupid to protest on private property and it's only legal if you get consent first. Otherwise, you have to choose a public venue, like a street perhaps. So your neighborhood, 11pm to whenever the riot police show up because this crap is cyclical. [editline]31st December 2014[/editline] Well that's exactly what's happening so your feelings are justified, unlike the vast majority of these protesters.[/QUOTE] Lets actually be practical and say they DID succeed. How long before the National Guard bulldozes them out of the building? This is one battle they have no chance of winning.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46833684]That's pretty much the point. Everyone in this thread wants the protesters to go away so they can reassure themselves that our entire justice system is not, in fact, a systemically racist shitshow of unaccountable violence. Shitting on protesters for fighting for their right not to be shot by police for being black is a hell of a lot easier than dealing with the reality of how fucked our justice system is. [editline]1st January 2015[/editline] There are not enough boxes in the known universe for you.[/QUOTE] Well personally, I'd rather they protested like some US wide police headquarters and congress, but sure you go ahead feeling that way, I mean, you're wrong but go ahead.
[QUOTE=Cone;46841251]i know it's almost as if normal people don't fantasize about plowing their cars directly into dozens of protesters and going to prison for life! haven't these people read my satirical forum post about the brown shooting!? they have NO EXCUSE not to know the facts on this one, boy howdy![/QUOTE] hm? I didnt say hit the fuckers when they've taken the highway, I said dont give them the room to take the highway. They want to step out in front of a 70 mph vehicle thats their choice. If a lane is open, everyone should be driving through it.
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