• Trump says election will be 'rigged at polling places', not just through biased media
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51213015]please explain to me how you orchestrate mass voter fraud nationwide without leaving any evidence behind or ever having anyone leak your secret at any point and then explain to me why a political candidate would attempt to pull off this plan when all current information indicates that they're already going to win in a landslide[/QUOTE]Maybe it only indicates that because that's what the agenda is for the media to report, make it show that she's winning. How are you so sure of the information we get is 100% genuine and truthful?
[QUOTE=Killer900;51213084]Maybe it only indicates that because that's what the agenda is for the media to report, make it show that she's winning.[/quote] The media is reporting the results of polls, they are not making up anything. [quote]How are you so sure of the information we get is 100% genuine and truthful?[/QUOTE] Because the media is relatively diverse, not a boogeyman with a single agenda. Failing that, there are non-partisan and independent pollsters.
[QUOTE=Killer900;51213084]Maybe it only indicates that because that's what the agenda is for the media to report, make it show that she's winning. How are you so sure of the information we get is 100% genuine and truthful?[/QUOTE] so you're saying that every single independent polling group in the country is conspiring to produce false information that hillary clinton is ahead of trump, including those operated by fox news and google and they're doing this in preparation for widespread voter fraud on part of the clinton campaign. Voter fraud that, if it is not properly executed, will reveal the pollster conspiracy and destroy their credibility forever and despite all of these competing corporations being in on this conspiracy, not one of them has thought to reveal the scheme. A scheme that, were it revealed, would surely destroy their competitors and leave them with a crushing monopoly.
[QUOTE=Orkel;51212880]The /pol/, alt-right, and r/the_donald meltdown when they get fucked on election day will provide the greatest entertainment of this decade.[/QUOTE] I wonder how many suicide threads there will be. There were a handful on reddit when Sanders went down. Extremism is a hell of a drug.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51213097]so you're saying that every single independent polling group in the country is conspiring to produce false information that hillary clinton is ahead of trump, including those operated by fox news and google and they're doing this in preparation for widespread voter fraud on part of the clinton campaign. Voter fraud that, if it is not properly executed, will reveal the pollster conspiracy and destroy their credibility forever and despite all of these competing corporations being in on this conspiracy, not one of them has thought to reveal the scheme. A scheme that, were it revealed, would surely destroy their competitors and leave them with a crushing monopoly.[/QUOTE]I don't recall saying anything that detailed. All I was saying was that the media can't be trusted after it was revealed that the DNC was colluding with the general media to give Hillary and unfair advantage so as to secure her position as nominee. [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51213102]I wonder how many suicide threads there will be. There were a handful on reddit when Sanders went down. Extremism is a hell of a drug.[/QUOTE]Yeah I'm pretty sure at this point those threads were not made by serious people but probably those individuals working for the Clinton campaign on reddit to discredit Sanders and prop up Hillary's image.
Sad thing about this election is now because of Trump, every nominee after him no matter how shitty will never be seen as bad as he is. The ones to come can have the exact same or similar policies but if they hold their tongue and be careful of how they say it we are in deep shit.
[QUOTE=Killer900;51213112]I don't recall saying anything that detailed. All I was saying was that the media can't be trusted after it was revealed that the DNC was colluding with the general media to give Hillary and unfair advantage so as to secure her position as nominee.[/QUOTE] it really is amazing how people who can't be trusted suddenly have the capacity to accomplish literally any feat no matter how impossible or unthinkable The problem isn't that we all think clinton is trustworthy. The problem is that rigging the general election would be [I]fucking impossible[/I]. Suggesting that you know it's going to happen, when not only do you not have any evidence whatsoever that it will, but you don't even know how it [I]could[/I], is insane. And stupid. And that goes for suggesting that not only is all the polling data from independent sources faked, but that clinton is in on it and knows she's actually losing and is planning to rig the general election too.
[QUOTE=Killer900;51213112]I don't recall saying anything that detailed.[/QUOTE] You did say that the media may be trying to present Clinton as winning. That's the polls' job.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51213132]it really is amazing how people who can't be trusted suddenly have the capacity to accomplish literally any feat no matter how impossible or unthinkable The problem isn't that we all think clinton is trustworthy. The problem is that rigging the general election would be [I]fucking impossible[/I]. Suggesting that you know it's going to happen, when not only do you not have any evidence whatsoever that it will, but you don't even know how it [I]could[/I], is insane. And stupid.[/QUOTE]Yeah just as insane as saying Trump will literally destroy this country as so many posters on here have done. The world doesn't work the way in some stupid crazy Illuminati type shit conspiracy sitting around a round table in black robes way, sure, but if you think these elections are done fairly and squarely especially considering the candidates in question and especially considering the stakes, I'd have to disagree with you on that. [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51213132] And that goes for suggesting that not only is all the polling data from independent sources faked, but that clinton is in on it and knows she's actually losing and is planning to rig the general election too.[/QUOTE]Now you're putting words in my mouth with that one.
[QUOTE=Killer900;51213145]Yeah just as insane as saying Trump will literally destroy this country as so many posters on here have done. The world doesn't work the way in some stupid crazy Illuminati type shit conspiracy sitting around a round table in black robes way, sure, but if you think these elections are done fairly and squarely especially considering the candidates in question and especially considering the stakes, I'd have to disagree with you on that.[/QUOTE] so you admit that what you suggested is insane and stupid? or are you trying to argue that what these other people suggested is plausible?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51213150]so you admit that what you suggested is insane and stupid? or are you trying to argue that what these other people suggested is plausible?[/QUOTE]No I'm being sarcastic, people think what they want to think, clearly. Insane sounding maybe, stupid I don't think so.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51212849]You guys are clinically insane. Seriously, get help.[/QUOTE] Meanwhile someone hasn't read the DNC leaks.
[QUOTE=Killer900;51213145]Now you're putting words in my mouth with that one.[/QUOTE] Okay, let me try to roll this back a bit. You suggested hillary might try to rig the general election. I asked why she should would when [I]all[/I] available information indicates that she's going to win by a significant margin. You then suggested that all of the polling data might be faked. Which would only impact what hillary plans to do if she [I]knows[/I] that it's fake. And pollsters aren't all going to fake their data to give the same result if they know they'll be proven wrong on election day, since that would destroy their credibility, which they rely on for funding. The only possibility given your scenario is that every pollster in the country is colluding with hillary. Otherwise she has no reason to rig the election, or they have no reason to produce fraudulent polls. [editline]16th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;51213181]Meanwhile someone hasn't read the DNC leaks.[/QUOTE] The DNC leaks have absolutely nothing to do with this. Being corrupt doesn't give you the ability to do impossible things.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51213193]Okay, let me try to roll this back a bit. You suggested hillary might try to rig the general election. I asked why she should would when [I]all[/I] available information indicates that she's going to win by a significant margin. You then suggested that all of the polling data might be faked. Which would only impact what hillary plans to do if she [I]knows[/I] that it's fake. And pollsters aren't all going to fake their data to give the same result if they know they'll be proven wrong on election day, since that would destroy their credibility, which they rely on for funding. The only possibility given your scenario is that every pollster in the country is colluding with hillary. Otherwise she has no reason to rig the election, or they have no reason to produce fraudulent polls. [editline]16th October 2016[/editline] The DNC leaks have absolutely nothing to do with this. Being corrupt doesn't give you the ability to do impossible things.[/QUOTE]omg Bro you're the one who is suggesting I said all of those things when I never did. All I said was the media can't be trusted to give you truthful and genuine information when it's been proven through leaked emails of key members of the DNC colluding with media figures. You're picking out all these things saying I suggested them when I never directly did, they call that a strawman don't they?
[QUOTE=Killer900;51213255]omg Bro you're the one who is suggesting I said all of those things when I never did. All I said was the media can't be trusted to give you truthful and genuine information when it's been proven through leaked emails of key members of the DNC colluding with media figures. You're picking out all these things saying I suggested them when I never directly did, they call that a strawman don't they?[/QUOTE] you just said that it's insane to not be wary of hillary, specifically in reference to the possibility that she might rig the general election, and that we can't know if the data reported by "the media" is genuine
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51213274]you just said that it's insane to not be wary of hillary, specifically in reference to the possibility that she might rig the general election, and that we can't know if the data reported by "the media" is genuine[/QUOTE]It's not just Hillary
[QUOTE=Killer900;51213287]It's not just Hillary[/QUOTE] that doesn't change anything about what I've said if you suspect that there's a plot to rig the general election, it must follow that whoever's behind it is colluding with every polling institution in the country it's still an insane, stupid idea
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51213301]that doesn't change anything about what I've said if you suspect that there's a plot to rig the general election, it must follow that whoever's behind it is colluding with every polling institution in the country it's still an insane, stupid idea[/QUOTE]Whatever man, you believe what you want, I'll believe what I want, it's obvious neither of us is budging on this.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51212887]The DNC, and the general election are of two vastly different scales. Sure, I know the DNC was colluding. The DNC is also a private party that isn't bound by laws to adhere to voter populace, shitty excuse, but you can't say they're legally dubious if they don't break fucking laws. The general election is a whole different game. You're talking about tens of thousands of colluders being involved. Now ask yourself How many people can hold a secret that large?[/QUOTE] I don't think the DNC will attempt to rig the General Election in the sense of vote tampering, but this is a very optimistic view on how many people it would really take. Give the poor to terrible state of electronic voting machines in a lot of states and how small margins in a few key states can swing an election, a few directed attacks by a small number of people could easily be all it would take. PA is currently perhaps the most concerning as so many precincts are fully digital without any secondary paper trail while also being a swing state.
[QUOTE=Killer900;51213306]Whatever man, you believe what you want, I'll believe what I want, it's obvious neither of us is budging on this.[/QUOTE] budging on what? you haven't even contradicted anything I've said. You just said I was misrepresenting you, which as far as I can tell you're now confirming I wasn't.
Spreading propaganda like a sore loser because you're dropping in polls due to repeated incompetent and bigoted behavior - SAD
[QUOTE=DaMastez;51213310]I don't think the DNC will attempt to rig the General Election in the sense of vote tampering, but this is a very optimistic view on how many people it would really take. Give the poor to terrible state of electronic voting machines in a lot of states and how small margins in a few key states can swing an election, a few directed attacks by a small number of people could easily be all it would take. PA is currently perhaps the most concerning as so many precincts are fully digital without any secondary paper trail while also being a swing state.[/QUOTE] As much as I agree that digital polling stations are more vulnerable to outside attack, Clinton has an 8 point lead in PA. She's had a comfortable lead there since August. The only person who would have any need to manipulate the results would be Trump, and I sincerely doubt an 8 point swing on election day would go unscrutinized.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51213338]As much as I agree that digital polling stations are more vulnerable to outside attack, Clinton has an 8 point lead in PA. She's had a comfortable lead there since August. The only person who would have any need to manipulate the results would be Trump, and I sincerely doubt an 8 point swing on election day would go unscrutinized.[/QUOTE] Hence why I said "I don't think the DNC will attempt to rig the General Election in the sense of vote tampering". My point I was trying to make is it is heavily overestimating the security of our voting infrastructure to think it would take "tens of thousands of colluders" to successfully change the vote tallies in a meaningful way.
[QUOTE=Killer900;51212925]Like I said it's not as far-fetched and crazy as you think, tens of thousands isn't a small number when you compare it the hundreds of millions we have in this country. Why does it have to be tens of thousands in the first place? Who said it has to be such a large number of people? Hell we only have a little over 500 members of Congress, even if hypothetically they were all involved in some grand conspiracy that's not that many people. Besides, nobody would believe them anyway, they'd be labelled clinically insane by members of their community. the best temperament[/QUOTE] alright bud I don't care You can believe that there's a conspiracy, fine. It's literally unprovable. You believe that the polls are going to be manipulated by a supremely small group of super effective individuals, and not a word will leak. I can't disprove that. I can sure as fuck think you have no legs to stand on though
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51213602]alright bud I don't care You can believe that there's a conspiracy, fine. It's literally unprovable. You believe that the polls are going to be manipulated by a supremely small group of super effective individuals, and not a word will leak. I can't disprove that. I can sure as fuck think you have no legs to stand on though[/QUOTE]Alright bud if you don't care why did you reply back to me then, just to tell me you don't care. You didn't have to reply back, I wasn't expecting you to, but why come back just to tell me you don't care. How can you believe such a conspiracy is literally unprovable, people wouldn't have believed that the DNC and Hillary's campaign would be colluding with the media to give her a lopsided advantage if those emails never came out, probably would have called it an unprovable conspiracy too. Something that, by the way, did involve a supremely small group of effective and powerful people. Whose to say something related to rigging of the polls will never leak if emails about colluding with the media were leaked?
[QUOTE=Killer900;51213686]Alright bud if you don't care why did you reply back to me then, just to tell me you don't care. You didn't have to reply back, I wasn't expecting you to, but why come back just to tell me you don't care. How can you believe such a conspiracy is literally unprovable, people wouldn't have believed that the DNC and Hillary's campaign would be colluding with the media to give her a lopsided advantage if those emails never came out, probably would have called it an unprovable conspiracy too. Something that, by the way, did involve a supremely small group of effective and powerful people. Whose to say something related to rigging of the polls will never leak if emails about colluding with the media were leaked?[/QUOTE] You seem to refuse to want to think about the logistic requirements of safely securing the general election in a conspiratorial fashion, as almost [B]all[/B] conspiracy theorists do. The devil is in the detail, and the logistics of both pulling that off, pulling it off silently, and not having a single mouse squeak.
Man, if the government was really trying to rig the election they would have just hired a hitman and killed the fat cunt way before the first debate. Do people really believe this shit?
And again, you're directly comparing the DNC, to the national elections. Are they directly comparable? Simple question, yes, no. [B]Is the DNC directly comparable in terms of difficulty to collude with to the general election[/B]
What fucking motive would Hillary even have to rig the voting machines? Trump's torpedoed' his own campaign so thoroughly that she doesn't have to worry about anything but not fucking up worse than he already has.
There are 435 electoral voting districts in the US, with tens if not a hundred volunteers at each polling place. Pence said it himself, if you have a problem, volunteer. There's no global conspiracy, just a bunch of fools with a masturbatory fantasy of knowing "the truth", being part of an enlightened few.
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