• TSA failure: Investigators able to smuggle weapons past airport checks in 95 percent of tests
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[QUOTE=Kylel999;47857965]If you pat me down and don't feel a bomb strapped to my fucking back you should retire and go to some dark corner to die We really need the bad reading rating back[/QUOTE] Bad spelling too.
[QUOTE=Adamrd;47853809]More of a reason I don't want to fly.[/QUOTE] You'd find any excuse not to fly you god damn pussy
So if the search isn't likely to even catch the thing it is looking for, can we finally call it for what it has been all along? An unreasonable search.
I'd be fine if the ridiculous job the TSA does actually found the things they were supposed to. This is just icing on the cake.
It's probably because they don't look like terrorists. And they weren't were they? So it worked out in the end.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;47858217]I'd be fine if the ridiculous job the TSA does actually found the things they were supposed to. This is just icing on the cake.[/QUOTE] It is fucked up either way. It accomplishes nothing.
[QUOTE=JFF_;47858220]It's probably because they don't look like terrorists. And they weren't were they? So it worked out in the end.[/QUOTE] You don't have to be a comic book terrorist in order to be a threat to a passenger plane.
[QUOTE=JFF_;47858220]It's probably because they don't look like terrorists. And they weren't were they? So it worked out in the end.[/QUOTE] Please let me know exactly what a terrorist looks like.
TSA is a bad idea? who fucking knew [editline]2nd June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Levelog;47858388]Please let me know exactly what a terrorist looks like.[/QUOTE] [t]http://applymate.com/blog/wp-834nLo9T-content/uploads/2013/07/Refused-to-Represent-a-Terrorist-1024x681.jpg[/t]
Last time I flew, my girlfriend had to have an additional screen because of residue on her palms and it took an additional 10 minutes. This makes it a bit humorous that she got checked for absolutely nothing yet they couldn't even screen for actual potential threats.
As a former employee at an airport, this is unsurprising.
It doesn't take witchcraft magic to hide a weapon. Do it like in the fps's, straight up up yours. [sp]Just don't squeeze the trigger.[/sp]
My cousin once brought a lighter on a plane in her purse, she could have made a mini alcohol bottle molotov!
I hijack planes all the time, it's actually ridiculously easy.
[QUOTE=Blue Meanie;47859121]My cousin once brought a lighter on a plane in her purse, she could have made a mini alcohol bottle molotov![/QUOTE] Seriously need to try this. Would a tissue work? Thats like gotta look like the cutest little incendiary weapon ever. Actually did the same once, by accident. Lighter was still in my pack of smokes ~ what I don't get is that my pack went trough the scanner; it was obviously a foreign object; next to the cigarettes.
they should have had the power to fire people who fucked these up on the spot like, turn around, pull out whatever they were hiding and a badge and just say 'you fucked up pal'
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;47857101]do you plan to build a v8 diesel boat any time you wish to travel across continents?[/QUOTE] No, actually I'll just drive up to Canada and fly from there. As appealing as the idea of building a trans-atlantic speedboat is, and believe me I would love to do that just for shits and giggles, it's more practical for me to road trip a thousand miles north and board a 747. I have no qualms against the flight itself, matter of fact I love aviation and wouldn't object one bit to being on a plane. Getting on one just requires a thousand mile road trip first. The TSA is, to recap: 1: Woefully ineffective, as proven by many many spot checks and audits such as the one in the OP 2: A gross violation of traveler's right to not be subject to unreasonable search and seizure 3: A gross violation of privacy 4: LAUGHABLY easy to get around. Don't wanna get fondled by the TSA agent but need to fly intercontinental? ROAD TRIP! Drive to your nearest Canadian city, board a flight there. Fly back there, road trip back to your home in the states. You have a passport anyway so you're not gonna have any problem crossing the Canadian border and their airport security is nowhere near as intrusive. Probably more effective, too, funnily enough. So why the fuck are they still there? Why are American airline passengers still getting their ballsacks fondled in the name of a false sense of security born out of a knee-jerk reaction to a terrorist attack that happened nearly 15 years ago?
[QUOTE=TestECull;47859966]No, actually I'll just drive up to Canada and fly from there. As appealing as the idea of building a trans-atlantic speedboat is, and believe me I would love to do that just for shits and giggles, it's more practical for me to road trip a thousand miles north and board a 747. I have no qualms against the flight itself, matter of fact I love aviation and wouldn't object one bit to being on a plane. Getting on one just requires a thousand mile road trip first. The TSA is, to recap: 1: Woefully ineffective, as proven by many many spot checks and audits such as the one in the OP 2: A gross violation of traveler's right to not be subject to unreasonable search and seizure 3: A gross violation of privacy 4: LAUGHABLY easy to get around. Don't wanna get fondled by the TSA agent but need to fly intercontinental? ROAD TRIP! Drive to your nearest Canadian city, board a flight there. Fly back there, road trip back to your home in the states. You have a passport anyway so you're not gonna have any problem crossing the Canadian border and their airport security is nowhere near as intrusive. Probably more effective, too, funnily enough. So why the fuck are they still there? Why are American airline passengers still getting their ballsacks fondled in the name of a false sense of security born out of a knee-jerk reaction to a terrorist attack that happened nearly 15 years ago?[/QUOTE] All this energy devoted to a process that we have absolutely no control or power to change - what's the point? I fly regularly for work, typically 10-12 times a year, and I've never had a problem. I plan ahead, know what I can and cannot do, and get through TSA in around 15 minutes. I've never been searched, I've never been questioned, and it's really not that bad. The only annoying part is taking off my shoes, but aside from that it's just like waiting in any other line. I'd rather they revamp the DMV before bothering with the TSA. They can't completely remove the TSA, there still needs to be some sort of weapons detection in general. Come to think of it, I was pulled aside once, by a female TSA agent. I was nervous for a second until she said, "Sorry to bother you, but what kind of cologne are you wearing?"
[QUOTE=Blue Meanie;47859121]My cousin once brought a lighter on a plane in her purse, she could have made a mini alcohol bottle molotov![/QUOTE] You can bring your typical disposable lighter on a plane. It's refillable ones like zippo's that aren't allowed.
[QUOTE=Aetna;47860587]All this energy devoted to a process that we have absolutely no control or power to change - what's the point? I fly regularly for work, typically 10-12 times a year, and I've never had a problem. I plan ahead, know what I can and cannot do, and get through TSA in around 15 minutes. I've never been searched, I've never been questioned, and it's really not that bad. The only annoying part is taking off my shoes, but aside from that it's just like waiting in any other line. I'd rather they revamp the DMV before bothering with the TSA. They can't completely remove the TSA, there still needs to be some sort of weapons detection in general. Come to think of it, I was pulled aside once, by a female TSA agent. I was nervous for a second until she said, "Sorry to bother you, but what kind of cologne are you wearing?"[/QUOTE] Yeah the couple times I've flown have been the easiest things to me 2 times I've gone through normally shoes off, belt off, empty pockets, walk through, and the other two times I got pre-passed? which allowed me just to walk through a metal detector.
[video=youtube;AHZISoNlqAA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHZISoNlqAA[/video] ???
Recently I flew from Denver to Miami/Ft Lauderdale. Twice, within two weeks. The first time I went through security with TSA they pulled me aside and asked if I had any experience shooting and hunting. I told them I took my weapons camping sometimes and go to the range frequently. So they casually opened my bag and pulled out a couple .22 caliber rounds from the fold on the front pocket of my backpack. Had no idea they were there and TSA were quite friendly about it. No trouble, just wanted the ammunition. Flash forward past my first trip and then my second trip as I am returning home and unloading my bag. I found [U]TWO[/U], count them, [u]TWO[/u] box cutters wedged into the side pocket of my backpack!! So let me get this straight... They're going to flip out about two small (and very old) rounds of ammunition that were lost in my backpack, pieces I have no means of firing off... but they let me get onboard four airplanes with [b]two box cutters[/b]. [sp]Hint: According to reports, the aircraft on 9-11 were hijacked by terrorists using box cutters[/sp] Spot on TSA! We're safe from another terrorist insurgent group! I still can't believe it. TSA is a joke meant to band aid the public's irrational fears over 'terrorism', an ironic term largely over used to [i]terrorize[/i] the very same public into supporting foreign wars. Instead, they waste billions and erode away at an industry founded in the roots of the country.
[QUOTE=Aetna;47860587]All this energy devoted to a process that we have absolutely no control or power to change - what's the point? I fly regularly for work, typically 10-12 times a year, and I've never had a problem. I plan ahead, know what I can and cannot do, and get through TSA in around 15 minutes. I've never been searched, I've never been questioned, and it's really not that bad. The only annoying part is taking off my shoes, but aside from that it's just like waiting in any other line. I'd rather they revamp the DMV before bothering with the TSA. They can't completely remove the TSA, there still needs to be some sort of weapons detection in general. Come to think of it, I was pulled aside once, by a female TSA agent. I was nervous for a second until she said, "Sorry to bother you, but what kind of cologne are you wearing?"[/QUOTE] only time I've ever been searched before flying was when i was flying from copenhagen to stockholm although this was right after the 7/7 bombings i was also 8 but hey i may have been a danger
[QUOTE=ThePanther;47855155]I recently flew and didn't realize that I had accidentally left a large metal fork in my carry-on luggage. TSA didn't notice it either. :v:[/QUOTE] I flew 5 times with a boxcutter, complete with a razor blade, buried in my backpack without even noticing. I thought I'd lost it, and it was just stuck under a fold in the cloth in the bottom. They found it on the sixth flight. 3 Guesses how. If one of your guesses was magic, you are technically correct. I was carrying a binder full of Magic the Gathering cards, and I'd shuffled all my foils together. That set of the xray, and they found the razor blade when they pulled every single item out of my backpack. Side note. Not as relevant with the body scanners, but you can sneak small things through metal detectors rather effortlessly by just moving slowly. They operate on changes in the magnetic field. If you move slowly, the flux often isn't strong enough to set off the detector. Accidentally walked through with my pocket knife flying one way, and deliberately walked through on my way back as well.
[QUOTE=Aetna;47860587]All this energy devoted to a process that we have absolutely no control or power to change - what's the point?[/quote] I refuse to give up my constitutional right to be free from unreasonable search and siezure for a false sense of security I don't even want. I honestly don't give a shit if it's relatively painless most of the time. I simply refuse to allow the TSA to fondle me. For any reason. I'm not afraid of being on a plane that gets hijacked or shot down or whatever and I'm not willing to give up my right to privacy and my right to not be searched unreasonably because some dumbass suburbanites fifteen years ago shit their pants every time someone with a turban walked within twenty yards. Some of the rules are also six kinds of ridiculous. Just bought a can of Dr Pepper from the vending machine within eyesight of the security station? Currently sipping it? DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER IT MIGHT HAVE A BOMB IN IT BWEEWOOBWEEWOOBWEEWOO. Security will shit a brick over that can of Dr Pepper [i]they watched you buy out of the vending machine they probably got their fucking lunch out of two hours earlier[/i] all because that can is 12 ounces. And what, pray tell, if I want to fly with my RC 1/35th KV-2? It's far too fragile for me to entrust it to the baggage handlers, but it has a pair of lead-baring metal tracks and a rather large Nickel-Cadmium battery in the front of the hull that I cannot easily remove. They'd HATE that thing. [quote]They can't completely remove the TSA, there still needs to be some sort of weapons detection in general.[/quote] They can and they should. The TSA is redundant, ineffective and unconstitutional. They do nothing useful and could be replaced with a jovial fat guy that simply goes 'You a terrorist? No? Go right on ahead, sir' with no noticeable decrease in air safety. [url=http://abc13.com/archive/7848683/]People have accidentally slid loaded glocks past these inept fucks[/url] for crying out loud! You want effective security? Pop up a metal detector and a cop from the local PD. A few for each line at busier airports. That's all you need. You don't need a governmental agency that's dedicated to airport security wasting tax dollars like this.
[QUOTE=TestECull;47866263]I refuse to give up my constitutional right to be free from unreasonable search and siezure for a false sense of security I don't even want. I honestly don't give a shit if it's relatively painless most of the time. I simply refuse to allow the TSA to fondle me. For any reason. I'm not afraid of being on a plane that gets hijacked or shot down or whatever and I'm not willing to give up my right to privacy and my right to not be searched unreasonably because some dumbass suburbanites fifteen years ago shit their pants every time someone with a turban walked within twenty yards. Some of the rules are also six kinds of ridiculous. Just bought a can of Dr Pepper from the vending machine within eyesight of the security station? Currently sipping it? DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER IT MIGHT HAVE A BOMB IN IT BWEEWOOBWEEWOOBWEEWOO. Security will shit a brick over that can of Dr Pepper [i]they watched you buy out of the vending machine they probably got their fucking lunch out of two hours earlier[/i] all because that can is 12 ounces. And what, pray tell, if I want to fly with my RC 1/35th KV-2? It's far too fragile for me to entrust it to the baggage handlers, but it has a pair of lead-baring metal tracks and a rather large Nickel-Cadmium battery in the front of the hull that I cannot easily remove. They'd HATE that thing.[/QUOTE] You're rather knowledgeable about airport security despite having never been through it and basing it entirely on secondhand information
[QUOTE=TestECull;47866263]I refuse to give up my constitutional right to be free from unreasonable search and siezure for a false sense of security I don't even want. I honestly don't give a shit if it's relatively painless most of the time. I simply refuse to allow the TSA to fondle me. For any reason. I'm not afraid of being on a plane that gets hijacked or shot down or whatever and I'm not willing to give up my right to privacy and my right to not be searched unreasonably because some dumbass suburbanites fifteen years ago shit their pants every time someone with a turban walked within twenty yards. Some of the rules are also six kinds of ridiculous. Just bought a can of Dr Pepper from the vending machine within eyesight of the security station? Currently sipping it? DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER IT MIGHT HAVE A BOMB IN IT BWEEWOOBWEEWOOBWEEWOO. Security will shit a brick over that can of Dr Pepper [i]they watched you buy out of the vending machine they probably got their fucking lunch out of two hours earlier[/i] all because that can is 12 ounces. And what, pray tell, if I want to fly with my RC 1/35th KV-2? It's far too fragile for me to entrust it to the baggage handlers, but it has a pair of lead-baring metal tracks and a rather large Nickel-Cadmium battery in the front of the hull that I cannot easily remove. They'd HATE that thing. They can and they should. The TSA is redundant, ineffective and unconstitutional. They do nothing useful and could be replaced with a jovial fat guy that simply goes 'You a terrorist? No? Go right on ahead, sir' with no noticeable decrease in air safety. [url=http://abc13.com/archive/7848683/]People have accidentally slid loaded glocks past these inept fucks[/url] for crying out loud! You want effective security? Pop up a metal detector and a cop from the local PD. A few for each line at busier airports. That's all you need. You don't need a governmental agency that's dedicated to airport security wasting tax dollars like this.[/QUOTE] Dude, I can never take you seriously when you post because you always get so intense and dramatic about it. You've never even been through TSA. Everything you purchase after TSA can be taken wherever, including your flight. That's where all the shops are in the airport.
TSA is useless? Jesus who would have known [editline]3rd June 2015[/editline] When drunks can accidentally stumble on the driveway I wouldn't be surprised if a terrorist could just happen to accidentally steal a plane
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;47866566]You're rather knowledgeable about airport security despite having never been through it and basing it entirely on secondhand information[/QUOTE] Enough other people have already done so and relayed their experiences that I don't need to go through it.[QUOTE=Aetna;47866602]Dude, I can never take you seriously when you post because you always get so intense and dramatic about it.[/QUOTE] Your problem not mine.
[QUOTE=JFF_;47858220]It's probably because they don't look like terrorists. And they weren't were they? So it worked out in the end.[/QUOTE] A terrorist is not a race nor a fashion. A wealthy white person unable to grow facial hair born and raised in America can be a terrorist. A terrorist is labeled on their act, not looks. Everything else is just racism.
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