• UK Transport Secretary: drivers considering buying diesel cars should take a "long, hard think"
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When diesel stops being cost-effective compared to petrol, i'll think about it. [editline]26th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Morgen;51873541] Petrol is actually cheaper to produce. If diesel costs less then your government is doing something to cause that.[/QUOTE] Not in our country. What the flying fuck why?
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;51876786]I'd NEVER get a Leaf though. Badly spent money. And you should only tax petrol and diesel when there are no reasons to use it, and when EV cars are fully viable, and not an extreme of "you either get garbage for cheap, or something good for all your money and your soul", which is why I wouldn't get a Leaf or anything else. I mean, for the price of a Leaf here, I could buy a fully equipped diesel A3 8P with all the features. So its either a bad looking and most likely badly equipped EV, or something nice in every way except that it pollutes. But this won't change for a good few years, until we have quite a bit of used and nice EV cars on the market. Taxing diesel and petrol can't be anything other than a pipedream for now, because so many families depend on it, and they surely can't sell their daily beaters for something as expensive as an EV. And my government is crap. We even get kicked in the ass with diesel, let alone petrol. Truckers go to Spain to fill up.[/QUOTE] I just got a brand new 30 kWh Leaf of the top spec for £22k after incentives here. It's a good car, and has tons of features now. I'll also save tons of money if I do keep it for a long time (probably gonna replace it with a Model 3 in 3 years though). A base A3 is about 20k. So while the leaf is slightly more it will be significantly cheaper over its lifetime. [editline]26th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=CruelAddict;51876868]When diesel stops being cost-effective compared to petrol, i'll think about it. [editline]26th February 2017[/editline] Not in our country. What the flying fuck why?[/QUOTE] Low sulfur diesel is reason why. Requires much more refining. Sulfur free diesel costs even more, which is used in the UK, Germany, Sweden, Ireland, Norway, and Denmark iirc.
[QUOTE=Morgen;51876542]Why? Diesel is proven to kill tens of thousands of people in the UK every year. At they very least people in cities should switch to petrol.[/QUOTE] Like every other source of carbon dioxide or other kinds of air pollution. Diesel engines are more reliable, and have a better km/l than most petrol cars. People who live in the bigger cities with no need to travel far distances don't really have a need for a diesel engine. I will give you that. But in many cases, the Diesel car will be cheaper than the petrol car, both in maintenance and fuel. Which is why some people pick a Diesel over a petrol car.
[QUOTE=Sunkite;51877020]Like every other source of carbon dioxide or other kinds of air pollution. Diesel engines are more reliable, and have a better km/l than most petrol cars. People who live in the bigger cities with no need to travel far distances don't really have a need for a diesel engine. I will give you that. But in many cases, the Diesel car will be cheaper than the petrol car, both in maintenance and fuel. Which is why some people pick a Diesel over a petrol car.[/QUOTE] CO2 has limited direct impact on human health unless you're in a confined space. No2 has a huge impact on human health. Of course diesel is more efficient than petrol, that's why many European countries pushed it so hard in the early 2000s. Petrol is worse for climate change but the point of preventing climate is to save lives, there's not much point if what we do kills tens of thousands of people every year.
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