"No More Black Targets" is Fighting to Remove Black Silhouettes from Shooting Ranges
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This shit reads like an Onion article.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;51834132]I based it on having read a decent number of psych literature, with a focus on how the human brain can fuck up decision-making. This purported effect is similar enough to confirmed ones that, absent any evidence either way, the rational assumption is that it exists. ("Bayesian priors" is the fancy way of saying this). A brief search found no formal experiments on this (although I will immediately concede defeat if even a half-decent study shows no measurable effect or even the opposite), and since I don't feel like doing a six-month controlled study just to win an internet argument, I'm stuck with priors.
Let me try using a car analogy: I read a paper telling me that if I remove the spark plugs, my engine won't run. Then I read a paper telling me that if I remove the battery, my engine won't start. Then I read a paper telling me that if I remove the oil pan, my engine will stop running after a few minutes. I then see a non-scientific movement advocating not removing your radiator, because it probably will break your car. Based on a series of similar facts that "removing random parts from your car will probably break it", I conclude the movement is probably right about that, although I question whether that's really worth bothering about.
Interesting - happen to have a citation for that? In particular, is that based on psych studies or on statistical analysis of police shootings?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/5/police-officers-more-hesitant-to-shoot-black-suspe/[/url]
[url]https://www.policeone.com/police-trainers/articles/242054006-Study-White-cops-are-not-more-likely-to-shoot-black-subjects/[/url]
we could just have shooting ranges full of aliens
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRXNNqNfQBs[/media]
what a dumb non-issue
[QUOTE=upsideonion;51833905][IMG]http://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/ezgif-com-resize-66.gif?w=650[/IMG]
[url]http://uproxx.com/life/no-more-black-targets-art-shooting-range/[/url][/QUOTE]
I'll never take this, or any other kind of alleged racism seriously. Makes no sense. People shouldn't be focusing on menial shit like this, they SHOULD be focusing on ending black on black violence. Ending poverty for the ridiculously large amount of black people in the ghetto. Even for the things that the black lives matter movement stands for that is legitimate pales in comparison to the issues of the modern day ghetto.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;51833944] (constant training against black targets probably does subconsciously nudge you towards being more likely to shoot an african-american versus a caucasian)[/QUOTE]
no
no it fucking doesn't
[QUOTE=.Vel;51834548]I'll never take this, or any other kind of alleged racism seriously. Makes no sense. People shouldn't be focusing on menial shit like this, they SHOULD be focusing on ending black on black violence. Ending poverty for the ridiculously large amount of black people in the ghetto. Even for the things that the black lives matter movement stands for that is legitimate pales in comparison to the issues of the modern day ghetto.[/QUOTE]
Problem is BLM is way to idiotic to figure out how to do that.
They need people who are actually educated on law and policies.
Mandatory sentencing laws, the war on drugs (like how crack is punished harsher. For example in order to get a similar charge with powder you need like 100 times more powder then you do crack), look at the history of the war on drugs and how laws were introduced and how the media played a roll.
BLM will never do that so they will never achieve anything.
[QUOTE=MR-X;51834564]Problem is BLM is way to idiotic to figure out how to do that.
They need people are actually educated on law and policies.
Mandatory sentencing laws, the war on drugs (like how crack is punished harsher. For example in order to get a similar charge with powder you need like 100 times more powder then you do crack), look at the history of the war on drugs and how laws were introduced and how the media played a roll.
BLM will never do that so they will never achieve anything.[/QUOTE]
It's a feelgood movement with an overwhelming majority of people that have no clue what they're doing, and a very vocal minority that claims to be part of the black lives matter movement but might as well be supporters of the black panthers. It's a goddamn shame that all this effort is wasted on bullshit that has no relation to actual racism on a major scale, instead of actually helping those in need.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;51833944](constant training against black targets probably does subconsciously nudge you towards being more likely to shoot an african-american versus a caucasian), I think they're going about it pretty poorly.[/QUOTE]
this is like saying constantly playing violent videogames subconsciously nudges people to commit crimes and I know that thats bullshit, therefore that what you just said is equally bullshit.
Has there been an in depth video on why modern day movements like this are misdirected and pointless? I'm having ideas, but I don't want to bother unless it hasn't been done yet.
Maybe people tend to shoot them quicker and better because they have practice with them and are primed to shoot them because they already recognize them
not because of racism
[QUOTE=.Vel;51834638]Has there been an in depth video on why modern day movements like this are misdirected and pointless? I'm having ideas, but I don't want to bother unless it hasn't been done yet.[/QUOTE]
A total lack of engagement with politicians in general and democrats in particular, maybe. You can't make policy changes without having a hand in government.
trivialising real racism 101
Aren't most black americans murdered with firearms murdered by other black americans anyway?
Black shadows are racist because it promotes "stepping on" black people promoting racism.
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;51834150]I have to wonder why facepunch users tend to respond so quickly and with such disdain to the ridiculous SH articles that have to do with people trying to fight racism.
Any ridiculous article will have users decrying it, this is a given. But ridiculous articles that have anything to do with modern social movements, especially regarding race, are magnets for posts of extreme negativity.
This is only one perception and isn't exactly a provable statistic, but i feel like there's some meaning to it.[/QUOTE]
I think its a symptom the way talk of race makes alot of white people incredibly uncomfortable
I sincerely hope that is sarcasm and not serious. But with the way things are, I can safely say that this is the stupidest thing I've ever witnessed when it comes to fighting racism, and people actually believe in it
Its sad people would waste their time and focus in shite like this and not on the real issues facing black people in Amerixa.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;51833985]And you based that on what? Your own personal feelings?
I haven't seen any psych literature on this exact subject, but this sort of psychological effect is very common and well-supported. I wouldn't expect it to be a major real-world issue but I would expect it to be a measurable effect in controlled experiments.[/QUOTE]
Does that mean your avatar makes me subconciously correlate black people with stupid posts?
The silhouettes are bald and have broad shoulders so it is under the presumption that they are MALE targets.
Please change for the sake of gender equality, we don't need more rabid gunmen shooting at innocent males.
Also we are now shooting at paintings?! This is a disgrace to fruits of artistry, I repel this notion.
Oh btw I'm not offering a solution lol but I'm still contributing by making an non-issue into one.
While I think this is a [I]stupid[/I] campaign, I think I'd prefer red targets on a black background. Dunno why, maybe it's because it's so drilled into my head by games that red is a "fire your weapon at this" color.
"Black people" are varying shades of brown anyway so
Glad someone pointed this out.
I would like to use this opportunity to BAN all black chairs. I don't want to think that when we sit on our office chair we are suppressing or suffocating the black communities.
Last time I went to a gun range, I had one with a man holding a woman hostage, I riddled them both with bullets, mainly for entertainment and because I was using a M249 lmg. It's nothing but paper...
[QUOTE=SeneorGoat;51835509]Last time I went to a gun range, I had one with a man holding a woman hostage, I riddled them both with bullets, mainly for entertainment and because I was using a M249 lmg. It's nothing but paper...[/QUOTE]
That's sounds exactly like something a nazi would say. Dehumanising those defenceless targets. Next you'll be telling me that throw "waste" paper into the bin as if its rubbish or that you burn it. I bet you even wipe you arse with it you monster.
[editline]17th February 2017[/editline]
Seriously though its well meaning, over zealous stuff like this which gives ammo to legitimate racists to say "everything is racist these days!! bloody SJWs!!"
Racism is real and needs to be combated but changing the colour of a silhouette at a target range will achieve nothing toward that end.
Why stop there?
Have feminine silhouettes!
Have fat and thin silhouettes
Have gay,bi,ENTER GENDER HERE:_________, silhouettes
Clearly this is an issue!
[QUOTE=DEMONSKUL;51835630]Why stop there?
Have feminine silhouettes!
Have fat and thin silhouettes
Have gay,bi,ENTER GENDER HERE:_________, silhouettes
Clearly this is an issue![/QUOTE]
Force each person to have a picture of themselves and the shooting can act as proxy self punishment for being such awful, hateful, sinful people.
How about when you to a gun range, you get a wide variety of colours to choose from, and then you can be harshly judged depending on which colour you pick.
FFS Leave Color Black, stop associating it with skincolor.
It's a color that represents [B]PITCH BLACK[/B], not a Dark Brown Shade Skin (wich is more or brown-chocolate than friggen coal).
I mean, ffs sake, i'f i'd see a walking [B]LITERATE SHADOW BEING[/B] that is sucking all light in himself yeah, i'd shoot it!
this is actually really comical? no? real-life itself can be something funny
Paper targets kinda suck anyway, in my opinion. Steel's a little more environmentally friendly, plus you get instant feedback.
[url]http://www.shootsteel.com/[/url]
Also, who gives a shit what color they are? The range is so heavily disconnected from real-world shooting scenarios that you may as well be comparing 8th grade algebra to college calculus. Sure, it's a good place to learn and maintain fundamentals, but you want to seek professional training for things like movement and target identification.
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