Someone Invented a Veggie Burger That Bleeds Its Own Blood. Biochemist has invented a meatless burge
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I eat my burgers medium rare because I find it to be the most flavorful, not because of the juices.
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[editline]9th October 2014[/editline]
I probably shouldn't have added taste, but I'm more confused with the people that eat this stuff that don't eat meat for moral reasons, since that usually seems to be the motivation.[/QUOTE]
Unless I'm not understanding you correctly, whats the confusion?
I eat meat, I'm not entirely happy with how we treat animals and it makes me a bit sad to know my food comes from dead animals (I'm not starting a debate here), but its not the food itself (taste, texture, eating it) that bothers me; its where it came from.
If people are against eating meat due to moral reasons, why is it odd to think that synth meat that literally tastes/feels like meat, but no animal nor human was harmed in the making would be okay with them?
[editline]9th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=TestECull;46194949]Did it moo when it was alive? No? It's not burger patty makings so fuck off.[/QUOTE]
I lol'd because honestly this is incredibly silly. Our food will become more and more modified and synthetic as time goes on (and we've been eating plenty of man-modified food for a huge period of time). If you're eating a burger that tastes just like cow, but didn't come from one, who gives a shit? No one should care about vain garbage like that, but of the food's quality, price, and safety.
I'd become a vegan for the environmental reasons, but I like meat too much. Making meat uses waaaaay more energy than growing grains or vegetables, so the day that these burgers are perfected, I'd probably make the switch.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;46196167]Unless I'm not understanding you correctly, whats the confusion?
I eat meat, I'm not entirely happy with how we treat animals and it makes me a bit sad to know my food comes from dead animals (I'm not starting a debate here), but its not the food itself (taste, texture, eating it) that bothers me; its where it came from.
If people are against eating meat due to moral reasons, why is it odd to think that synth meat that literally tastes/feels like meat, but no animal nor human was harmed in the making would be okay with them?
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I understand that then
the way it looked to me though is
"I don't wanna eat this because it's a live animal that was slaughtered and put on a plate for me"
and with this article showing a burger that bleeds, it's like, you're getting away from the image of an animal being slaughtered, but you're going out of your way to replicate it to its details
like even if it's synthetic it still looks like the fucked up thing that makes it bad
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Like, I don't want to eat brain, and if you make a food that's not actually brain, but looks and tastes EXACTLY like a brain, I'm still gonna be super skeeved out by that
Sure I can get what you're getting at, its strange to make it look similar, but I think as time goes on; people who realize its not real animal will get over it, and things like the leaking liquids are important (imo) for cooking.
But I think it comes back to the person, my issue is moralistic as I stated. I fucking love burgers but I love cute little cows too.
[QUOTE=HWECQI;46196274]I understand that then
the way it looked to me though is
"I don't wanna eat this because it's a live animal that was slaughtered and put on a plate for me"
and with this article showing a burger that bleeds, it's like, you're getting away from the image of an animal being slaughtered, but you're going out of your way to replicate it to its details
like even if it's synthetic it still looks like the fucked up thing that makes it bad
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Like, I don't want to eat brain, and if you make a food that's not actually brain, but looks and tastes EXACTLY like a brain, I'm still gonna be super skeeved out by that[/QUOTE]
While I understand your point, the analogy doesn't really work because the reason you don't want to eat brain is (probably) specifically because of looks and taste of it, rather than any moral reasons.
[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;46196311]While I understand your point, the analogy doesn't really work because the reason you don't want to eat brain is (probably) specifically because of looks and taste of it, rather than any moral reasons.[/QUOTE]
Well, then let's change it to human
I don't want to eat human because cannibalism is wrong
If you make a food that looks and tastes exactly like human, the thought of it is still really gross even if it isn't actually human
[QUOTE=HWECQI;46196327]Well, then let's change it to human
I don't want to eat human because cannibalism is wrong
If you make a food that looks and tastes exactly like human, the thought of it is still really gross even if it isn't actually human[/QUOTE]
Yeah but in the end, I think this is a bit of a self-solving problem. People who don't eat meat due to morality would prob be fine with eating it, people who don't like the taste/smell/looks, will either not eat it, or will have to get over it.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;46196305]Sure I can get what you're getting at, its strange to make it look similar, but I think as time goes on; people who realize its not real animal will get over it, and things like the leaking liquids are important (imo) for cooking.
But I think it comes back to the person, my issue is moralistic as I stated. I fucking love burgers but I love cute little cows too.[/QUOTE]
I can understand that then, I guess. I always just associated vegeternarianism with thinking meat is gross, which is probably short sighted of me
moralistically i still kinda find it odd but, I understand it more
[QUOTE=Lium;46191914][B]We're not animals[/B], we should have our meat cooked properly. I'd never eat food that gave off blood, that's not right. eating anything that was once alive any semblance of raw is just madness.[/QUOTE]
Do you not understand basic biology or
[QUOTE=Falubii;46191179]Because you lose all the flavor and it becomes a dry rubbery piece of crap. You can't tell the difference between a $10 steak and a $100 steak once you've cooked it beyond medium.[/QUOTE]
Sure there is more flavor, raw flavor, but the raw flavor is something I can't stand regardless how 'high quality' it is.
If you are eating beef, you can eat it rare or medium rare because of it being beef. Beef muscle tissue does not have the same degree of bacterial growth of, say, pork, or chicken. You cook the outside because that was exposed to air and hands and is the part where bacterias are. If the meat was properly stored in <4°c it is safe to consume.
source- H.A.C.C.P.
Ground beef means minced?
[QUOTE=HWECQI;46191076]It boggles my mind that you would swear off eating meat but then try so hard to make all your food look exactly and taste exactly like actual meat[/QUOTE]
It's self-denial. They just don't want to admit they made a terrible life choice*.
*I don't actually care if people choose to go vegetarian, but it bothers me when they preach it or just has to let everyone and their mother know.
[QUOTE=Talishmar;46196900]Sure there is more flavor, raw flavor, but the raw flavor is something I can't stand regardless how 'high quality' it is.[/QUOTE]
No, it's beef flavor. If you like steak, then medium steak is objectively better tasting than well-done steak. There's a reason literally no chef serves well-done steak in a high end restaurant. If you don't like the flavor of a medium steak, then you just don't like the flavor of steak very much.
Nothing, I had to look at an online dictionary, didn't know the past tense of grind is ground. I was like wtf ground beef? as opposed to what, sky beef?
You can eat minced meat rare, you just need to buy the meat and have it ground by a reliable butcher.
In theory, even if it's mass produced, if the meat is properly slaughtered and ground at <4c° and kept that way from the manufacturer to your pan, it shouldn't pose health risks- bacteria inside the patty didn't multiply, they stay the same at that temperature. However, I wound't recommend it. You might never know.
On the other hand, I'd never eat rare fast-food patties. eugh.
[QUOTE=damnatus;46191054]Joke's on them, I hate everything except for well done meat :v:[/QUOTE]
This is literally like asking your food to be spat on at a restaurant. My dad used to be a chef, when people ordered a good steak and asked for it to be "well done" they threw it on the ground, spat on it, then cooked it up to boot leather, just how you like it. Well done ruins a perfectly good steak.
[QUOTE=Tasm;46197761]This is literally like asking your food to be spat on at a restaurant. My dad used to be a chef, when people ordered a good steak and asked for it to be "well done" they threw it on the ground, spat on it, then cooked it up to boot leather, just how you like it. Well done ruins a perfectly good steak.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't really sound like a realistic story and honestly if it is, that place sounds like down-right dog-shit.
Your food, you paid for it, no disrespect should be given.
[QUOTE=sgman91;46197649]No, it's beef flavor. If you like steak, then medium steak is objectively better tasting than well-done steak. There's a reason literally no chef serves well-done steak in a high end restaurant. If you don't like the flavor of a medium steak, then you just don't like the flavor of steak very much.[/QUOTE]
[quote]flavor[/quote]
[quote]objectively better[/quote]
Haha, I'd like to see you prove that. Otherwise it'll end up in pistols at dawn.
The thing is I was about to say I like overcooked meat, steak or otherwise, but overcooked means something way different in English that it seems to over here.
I like steak and most other types of meat cooked on low heat for a long time.
[QUOTE=Lium;46191914]We're not animals, we should have our meat cooked properly. I'd never eat food that gave off blood, that's not right. eating anything that was once alive any semblance of raw is just madness.[/QUOTE]
man, you really take opinions and preferences to a whole new level and try and attach a philosophy to "I like this better you should to and that's a fact". And we aren't some how "Different than animals" just because we think independently.
[QUOTE=Tasm;46197761]This is literally like asking your food to be spat on at a restaurant. My dad used to be a chef, when people ordered a good steak and asked for it to be "well done" they threw it on the ground, spat on it, then cooked it up to boot leather, just how you like it. Well done ruins a perfectly good steak.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure throwing it on the ground was what ruined it.
Really good way to fail a health inspection too.
every time i've had a rare steak, it tasted like blood iron and i wanted to gag
i only order medium well, fucking fight me
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No one should care about vain garbage like that, but of the food's quality, price, and safety.[/QUOTE]
[i][b]If[/b][/i], and that's a big if, the quality and price are up to snuff than I'll [i]consider[/i] one.
If you eat a steak cooked well done, you might as well just throw it away
this thread is meat discussion in a nutshell
[QUOTE=Lium;46191914]We're not animals, we should have our meat cooked properly. I'd never eat food that gave off blood, that's not right. eating anything that was once alive any semblance of raw is just madness.[/QUOTE]
I want to see you have this discussion about a raw apple.
[QUOTE=HWECQI;46196327]Well, then let's change it to human
I don't want to eat human because cannibalism is wrong
If you make a food that looks and tastes exactly like human, the thought of it is still really gross even if it isn't actually human[/QUOTE]
What, you mean pork?
[editline]10th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Talishmar;46198290]Haha, I'd like to see you prove that. Otherwise it'll end up in pistols at dawn.
The thing is I was about to say I like overcooked meat, steak or otherwise, but overcooked means something way different in English that it seems to over here.
I like steak and most other types of meat cooked on low heat for a long time.[/QUOTE]
Oh, you like slow-cooked meat, either smoked or roasted or braised.
Don't blame you. Those are delicious too.
[QUOTE=Chonch;46192079]Your contemporary burger patties are often simply discs of compacted ground meat (plus LFTB aka pinkslime if you're in the US). Due to its nature, the process of mincing is allowed to create batches, and therefore patties, composed of meat from several different animals. This kind of treatment of the meat leads to a much higher probability of contamination with food-borne bacteria, the kind that can be destroyed by high temperatures. An actual steak, in contrast, is of much higher quality due to its choice cut location, minimizing the need for the trade-off between meat safety and enjoyable texture and flavor. As the psychological comsponent of the meal is usually of much more immediate concern, steak enthusiasts (myself included) are likely to recommend a balance that favors the latter side. TL;DR you can get away with not cooking steak because it's not as dirty as beef
This does not mean that all steaks are better than ground beef patties. Always cook your meats to some degree, and most importantly, know your meat providers and their policies, especially in the United States.
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source: i like steak[/QUOTE]
Don't forget that a huge difference between steak and minced meat, is that the latter is much more compact, the majority of it is not exposed to the air and as such airborne bacteria are only on the heat temperered exterior.
Which is why pink glue is considered such big deal.
What's even the difference between rare, medium and well-done?
I've never cooked actual steaks but I've grilled quite a lot of meat and I'm gonna need some visual guide to help me understand to what degree I've usually cooked it.
[sp]Does the terminology even apply to chicken? That's the kind of meat I grill most often[/sp]
[QUOTE=maxumym;46201545]What's even the difference between rare, medium and well-done?
I've never cooked actual steaks but I've grilled quite a lot of meat and I'm gonna need some visual guide to help me understand to what degree I've usually cooked it.
[sp]Does the terminology even apply to chicken? That's the kind of meat I grill most often[/sp][/QUOTE]
Rare (Basically just a good sear with very little actual cooking time):
[T]http://i.imgur.com/grrd5kZ.jpg[/T]
Medium rare (The way pretty much every high end chef seems to cook it):
[T]http://i.imgur.com/0wR8uCt.jpg[/T]
Medium:
[T]http://i.imgur.com/HDZw6fC.jpg[/T]
Well-done (waste of a steak):
[T]http://i.imgur.com/ZwrMfPg.jpg[/T]
[editline]10th October 2014[/editline]
And, no, you don't worry about this when cooking chicken. It is always cooked well-done.
It's also good to note that this really only applies to at least decent quality steak. Very cheap cuts often require different cooking methods to get tender.
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